oldsox Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 14 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: Very true and so did Mike Mussina. In Schillings case he told the Arizona Republic it was because of something JR said to him in a meeting between owners and players during the 94-95 labor impasse. Schilling never revealed what was said, but he did say it was so personal he never would forgive JR nor play for the Sox. inexcusable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 8 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Considering Curt Schilling, it was probably something like, "Well, in a Socialist system, everybody works, too." I'm really curious about this Pillar thing where various people around the league filled him in on pressures that Getz is under, but can't talk about. A mandate to shave any money off of any contract possible seems too simple. Or there's a deeper reason, like the team will be sold, or they have to look poor while negotiating for a stadium, or "the owners are all colluding again". Maybe the new contracts guy from KC went over everything, saw a loophole in Pillar's contract and was like, no way. Not fair comment, unless you're being funny. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 13 minutes ago, oldsox said: Not fair comment, unless you're being funny. Funny and fair. Schilling is a famous crank. I don't even want to call him right wing, as his rantings are so far out there, nobody can really be blamed for the idiocy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 1 hour ago, poppysox said: No...I mean 100% negative all the time. Is being 100% positive all the time any better? Just seems like you are sticking your head in the sand, ignoring all logic and reason, and lying to yourself. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 10 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Is being 100% positive all the time any better? Just seems like you are sticking your head in the sand, ignoring all logic and reason, and lying to yourself. You all act like you're doing really important work, warning everybody about how bad this team is going to be, like you're warning us about wire fraud scams, when all you're doing is trying to make people feel like sh*t for being positive about a sports team. If you think you're "bringing the truth", I don't think there's enough sand for all the heads around here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 14 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Is being 100% positive all the time any better? Just seems like you are sticking your head in the sand, ignoring all logic and reason, and lying to yourself. I agree that I point out positives when I can...certainly more than most here. However, when I have a beef with something like LaRussa...I was not even a little bit positive and said so frequently. Every season I look forward to the season and find having a positive take to be more enjoyable. If the team turns out to be bad, I'll turn my attention to individual players. What you or I think won't change a thing. Do you find the constant harping about cheap Jerry to be entertaining? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 12 minutes ago, WestEddy said: You all act like you're doing really important work, warning everybody about how bad this team is going to be, like you're warning us about wire fraud scams, when all you're doing is trying to make people feel like sh*t for being positive about a sports team. If you think you're "bringing the truth", I don't think there's enough sand for all the heads around here. So what does being overly optimistic about the rotation, for example, do for you? I don’t need a crystal ball to tell me that the rotation is not going to be good and another poster spelled it all out on the previous page. Is it better to have high hopes and then be disappointed? I believe you predicted 68 wins for this team. That is a bad record. Chances are if their record is that bad, the rotation will not have performed well like you expected it to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 (edited) 11 minutes ago, poppysox said: I agree that I point out positives when I can...certainly more than most here. However, when I have a beef with something like LaRussa...I was not even a little bit positive and said so frequently. Every season I look forward to the season and find having a positive take to be more enjoyable. If the team turns out to be bad, I'll turn my attention to individual players. What you or I think won't change a thing. Do you find the constant harping about cheap Jerry to be entertaining? Yes, I do. However, I find it even more entertaining when someone thinks that an offseason in which the Sox GM rebuilt the bottom half of their starting lineup into a terrible combination of bench players in DeJong, Lopez, Maldonado, and Fletcher/Pillar is a good one. It’s like they are actually buying what Grifol is trying to sell, which would definitely be sticking one’s head in the sand and ignoring all factual data — objective things like recent stats for these players, age causing their decline, etc. Edited March 26 by WhiteSox2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2024/03/26/white-sox-have-opening-day-starter-but-will-they-have-an-ace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autumn Dreamin Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 White Sox South strike again, all but assuredly dooming their season with these terrible castoffs from a losing organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 3 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2024/03/26/white-sox-have-opening-day-starter-but-will-they-have-an-ace Let me save us all some reading: no. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 5 hours ago, poppysox said: This team is loads better than people are thinking. They could be a surprise story… and they could be historically awful. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 7 minutes ago, Autumn Dreamin said: White Sox South strike again, all but assuredly dooming their season with these terrible castoffs from a losing organization. Chavez, as old as he is, tends to put up good numbers in the regular season. I’m sure many posters wanted to see him make the bullpen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 46 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: So what does being overly optimistic about the rotation, for example, do for you? I don’t need a crystal ball to tell me that the rotation is not going to be good and another poster spelled it all out on the previous page. Is it better to have high hopes and then be disappointed? I believe you predicted 68 wins for this team. That is a bad record. Chances are if their record is that bad, the rotation will not have performed well like you expected it to. How do you get "overly optimistic" out of a 68 win prediction? Do you understand that reacting to people being aggressive towards my non-negative posts and then me laying out evidence of these players having a track record of being an average major league pitcher isn't being "overly optimistic? You understand that, right? Because it really seems that you think the only appropriate reaction to this team is to be flopping around on the floor in convulsions of rage. That's emotion, not objectivity. I understand you directed your comment at poppysox, but I feel like everyone is pretending I'm not admitting this team won't do very well this season. I have, multiple times. But I don't say it in a sh*tty way that labels the individual players as subhuman sh*t who should be loaded up into wooden boxcars because I won't be able to bray at other bro-dudes that my team kicks ass(!!). Being "factually based" doesn't mean I have to be constantly angry and aggressive towards people who don't want blood if their team doesn't win the next 7 world series. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 (edited) 1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said: So what does being overly optimistic about the rotation, for example, do for you? I'm 60 years old, have cancer, see my and my wife's families sporadically due to COVID concerns, and try to find happiness where I can eke it out. My personality isn't defined by a baseball team winning or not. I like baseball, I like the White Sox, and I'm interested in whether Getz, Banny and Katz can whip this group into an actual, productive pitching staff. That's what I get out of it. Edited March 27 by WestEddy 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 17 minutes ago, hi8is said: They could be a surprise story… and they could be historically awful. Yep...that's baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxmb35 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 5 hours ago, poppysox said: If he is truly an ace...he wins with us and enhances his future value. This team is loads better than people are thinking. As an eternal optimist (I still think Justin Fields is much better than he showed in Chicago), even I can't agree with that latter statement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 51 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Yes, I do. However, I find it even more entertaining when someone thinks that an offseason in which the Sox GM rebuilt the bottom half of their starting lineup into a terrible combination of bench players in DeJong, Lopez, Maldonado, and Fletcher/Pillar is a good one. It’s like they are actually buying what Grifol is trying to sell, which would definitely be sticking one’s head in the sand and ignoring all factual data — objective things like recent stats for these players, age causing their decline, etc. Pedro Grifol's an inane a-hole who should have been fired. I haven't seen anybody "buying what grifol is trying to sell" on this site. We all know the constraints Getz is working under. He at least seems to have a different approach, which I find interesting. Given his goal of improving on defense, and the money constraints, he probably wasn't doing much better than DeJong. Do you rip the molding off of the walls and rip it apart with your teeth over that? Nobody's saying DeJong will be an All-Star. Nobody's pretending he was the best shortstop available in all of baseball. You keep putting these BS strawmen on everybody who doesn't want to mope. Nobody is saying these things but you, so it seems you have no cognitive ability to even consume other people's statements in a meaningful way. I can't imagine being so angry and paranoid that you keep arguing things that other people aren't even stating. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 56 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Yes, I do. However, I find it even more entertaining when someone thinks that an offseason in which the Sox GM rebuilt the bottom half of their starting lineup into a terrible combination of bench players in DeJong, Lopez, Maldonado, and Fletcher/Pillar is a good one. It’s like they are actually buying what Grifol is trying to sell, which would definitely be sticking one’s head in the sand and ignoring all factual data — objective things like recent stats for these players, age causing their decline, etc. You would be much happier with a team like the Dodgers. Jerry might live 12 more years with your luck. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 5 minutes ago, Chisoxmb35 said: As an eternal optimist (I still think Justin Fields is much better than he showed in Chicago), even I can't agree with that latter statement. Noted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 1 minute ago, poppysox said: You would be much happier with a team like the Dodgers. Jerry might live 12 more years with your luck. You would be too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 As the famous Seattle Pilot pitcher Gary Bell (he also pitched for the White Sox) said in Ball Four by Jim Bouton..."Smoke em' inside! ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 Jordan Montgomery to the Diamondbacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 1 minute ago, WestEddy said: Jordan Montgomery to the Diamondbacks. Curious to see the money. Surprised the Yankees didn’t pounce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autumn Dreamin Posted March 27 Share Posted March 27 1 minute ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Curious to see the money. Surprised the Yankees didn’t pounce. I suspect this will be made official just after midnight on Friday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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