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Did Knebel have surgery after the 2022 season?  I couldn't find anything other than he had a torn shoulder capsule.  He seemed to have a nice career beforehand.

Leone looks like another guy who could be a decent bullpen option, but the Sox are really loaded up on BP arms.

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9 minutes ago, hogan873 said:

Did Knebel have surgery after the 2022 season?  I couldn't find anything other than he had a torn shoulder capsule.  He seemed to have a nice career beforehand.

Leone looks like another guy who could be a decent bullpen option, but the Sox are really loaded up on BP arms.

72 career saves including a season where he had 39. At least we have a few guys with closing experience in camp. Hopefully a decent bullpen can be pieced together.

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3 minutes ago, Dam8610 said:

I initially read this wrong and thought the Sox had signed former Cy Young winner Corey Kluber, which seemed like a very White Sox thing to do, getting their man 7-10 years too late.

Kluber also just recently announced his retirement 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Dick Allen said:

This isn't a bad signing. Pitchers usually come back from capsule surgeries, and he's not rushed now.

Yes but having a high leverage reliever whose name means choke in English is always concerning. ?

Another one of my all time favorites is Chuck knoblach which means garlic and he stunk like it. 

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11 minutes ago, ptatc said:

Yes but having a high leverage reliever whose name means choke in English is always concerning. ?

Another one of my all time favorites is Chuck knoblach which means garlic and he stunk like it. 

the last couple of years, no translation necessary, Bummer.

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This is the bullpen construction technique we wished Rick Hahn employed.  I'm cautiously optimistic with how Getz has approached this off-season.  Only $40M on the books for 2025, it will be interesting to see how he constructs that team with a bit of money to toss around.

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3 minutes ago, JoeCredeYes said:

This is the bullpen construction technique we wished Rick Hahn employed.  I'm cautiously optimistic with how Getz has approached this off-season.  Only $40M on the books for 2025, it will be interesting to see how he constructs that team with a bit of money to toss around.

If he's allowed

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27 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

If he's allowed

It will be interesting if nothing else.  I would hope he's allowed a payroll of at least $100M, would Jerry stoop so far as to only allow a bottom 5-8 payroll in the league? 

I've been told he's claiming internally that the Sox have lost $100-$150M in the past 2 years, which seems incredibly hard to believe, but it does scare me that he's set on completely tanking until after the stadium is done. 

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1 hour ago, JoeCredeYes said:

It will be interesting if nothing else.  I would hope he's allowed a payroll of at least $100M, would Jerry stoop so far as to only allow a bottom 5-8 payroll in the league? 

I've been told he's claiming internally that the Sox have lost $100-$150M in the past 2 years, which seems incredibly hard to believe, but it does scare me that he's set on completely tanking until after the stadium is done. 

Let him open his books and prove it to an independent economist. Until then I don't believe a word of it. 

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1 hour ago, JoeCredeYes said:

I would hope he's allowed a payroll of at least $100M, would Jerry stoop so far as to only allow a bottom 5-8 payroll in the league?

I think the case has always been that Reinsdorf doesn't have a problem spending when they look competitive. Under Hahn, they've just made stupid spending decisions. Getz seems a bit more measured than Hahn. I don't doubt that once they trade Cease, Robert, Soroka, maybe Kopech, Eloy, Crochet, and they get their top 5-10 prospects plugged on the big club, they'll spend again. 

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8 hours ago, JoeCredeYes said:

It will be interesting if nothing else.  I would hope he's allowed a payroll of at least $100M, would Jerry stoop so far as to only allow a bottom 5-8 payroll in the league? 

I've been told he's claiming internally that the Sox have lost $100-$150M in the past 2 years, which seems incredibly hard to believe, but it does scare me that he's set on completely tanking until after the stadium is done. 

Jerry doesn't count the enormous income not included in "MLB Income" such as his Sox portion of CSN Chicago, MLB.com revenue, parking, upcoming sportsbook, bar lounge across the street and other outside stadium income, significant federal tax write-offs and capital gain deferrals, city and state tax subsidies, government ticket purchase subsidies for under 1.9M attendance, and the millions in "upkeep" provided by the ISFA.

Jerry has spent on three occasions as owner the past 36 years (records I can find online from a single source):

  • (2 Seasons 2022-2023) An effort to prove his guy, Tony La Russa, was the best manager and HOF person on Earth.
  • (4 Seasons 1994-1997) Post 1993 Division Title + Albert Belle Hissy Fit reaction to owners rejecting his hardline stance.
  • (8 Seasons 2006-2013) Post World Series and significant attendance bump.

For the other 22 seasons there are online records, they have been mid to bottom tier payrolls, far below teams in similar markets. Even after the new stadium opened, he didn't bump payroll, and fielded bottom payrolls leading up to the new stadium, so that's likely what Sox fans have to look forward to the rest of the decade.

Payroll information since 1988. Top 9 quadrants used pre-expansion to 30 teams in 1998.

Source 1988-2023

Decade Averages:

  • 1988-1989 $6.8M (26) Bottom MLB payroll both seasons
  • 1990s $32.5M (14)
  • 2000s $77.4M (13)
  • 2010s $104.6M (16)
  • 2020-2023 $134.4M (13)

(11) Top Third Payroll Seasons

  • 2022 $190.8M (7)
  • 2013 $124.1M (9)
  • 2011 $127.8M (5)
  • 2010 $108.3M (7)
  • 2008 $121.2M (5)
  • 2007 $108.7M (5)
  • 2006 $102.8M (4)
  • 1997 $54.4M (3)
  • 1996 $41.9M (5)
  • 1995 $39.6M (5)
  • 1994 $38.4M (8)

(16) Middle Third Payroll Seasons

  • 2023 $174.9M (12)
  • 2021 $127.1M (15)
  • 2020 $44.8M (17) 37% spent
  • 2017 $109.6M (20)
  • 2016 $116.0M (16)
  • 2015 $110.7M (18)
  • 2014 $91.2M (20)
  • 2012 $97.0M (11)
  • 2009 $96.1M (12)
  • 2005 $75.2M (13)
  • 2004 $65.2M (15)
  • 2002 $57.1M (18)
  • 2001 $65.6M (14)
  • 1998 $36.8M (18)
  • 1993 $34.6M (13)
  • 1992 $28.4M (17)

(9) Bottom Third Payroll Seasons

  • 2019 $89.4M (26)
  • 2018 $72.2M (29)
  • 2003 $51.0M (22)
  • 2000 $31.2M (26)
  • 1999 $24.6M (24)
  • 1991 $16.8M (23)
  • 1990 $9.5M (26)
  • 1989 $7.6M (26)
  • 1988 $5.9M (26)
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