I love the White Sox team this year! I'm excited to be a fan of it.

[Balta1701]

1 hour ago, ptatc said:

Because they are all new at the job and let's see what the results are.

Again, I realize most people here are very impatient and are automatically going to not like anything that happens.

I'm going to wait for the results and base my judgemental on that instead of going with the "well it's the White Sox so everything they do sucks."

Just because you disagree with it doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong. It very well could be but I'm willing to wait for the results before condemning everyone. 

Results like a team the GM thought was competitive in a weak division that spent a season at each others throats, where basically everyone underperformed, where they were sloppy and unfocused, and where they lost 101 games?

Tell me how I shouldn’t judge Grifol based on his team’s underperformance last year. They had the talent of a 75 win team. Fine, this wasn’t where they wanted to be, but they played like a 67 win team in the first half, so bad that they had to trade people away. Multiple veterans ripped them after they left, all the way to literally yesterday.

How many seasons do we have to wait for before judging him? In spring 2025 do we have to hear that we can’t judge the coach until we see the results? 26? 27? Is Grifol still someone we are waiting on in 2028? 2029? Maybe he gets better in season 8, after all it’s unfair to judge any coach based on their first 7 seasons.

[caulfield12]

1 hour ago, Balta1701 said:

Results like a team the GM thought was competitive in a weak division that spent a season at each others throats, where basically everyone underperformed, where they were sloppy and unfocused, and where they lost 101 games?

Tell me how I shouldn’t judge Grifol based on his team’s underperformance last year. They had the talent of a 75 win team. Fine, this wasn’t where they wanted to be, but they played like a 67 win team in the first half, so bad that they had to trade people away. Multiple veterans ripped them after they left, all the way to literally yesterday.

How many seasons do we have to wait for before judging him? In spring 2025 do we have to hear that we can’t judge the coach until we see the results? 26? 27? Is Grifol still someone we are waiting on in 2028? 2029? Maybe he gets better in season 8, after all it’s unfair to judge any coach based on their first 7 seasons.

At the rate they’re going, it’s going to take at least three more seasons to get back to .500 barring a minor miracle.

Yet that would mean five full seasons passing while withholding a fair assessment based on lack of talent to compete with.  At the very least, four.

[ptatc]

2 hours ago, Balta1701 said:

Results like a team the GM thought was competitive in a weak division that spent a season at each others throats, where basically everyone underperformed, where they were sloppy and unfocused, and where they lost 101 games?

Tell me how I shouldn’t judge Grifol based on his team’s underperformance last year. They had the talent of a 75 win team. Fine, this wasn’t where they wanted to be, but they played like a 67 win team in the first half, so bad that they had to trade people away. Multiple veterans ripped them after they left, all the way to literally yesterday.

How many seasons do we have to wait for before judging him? In spring 2025 do we have to hear that we can’t judge the coach until we see the results? 26? 27? Is Grifol still someone we are waiting on in 2028? 2029? Maybe he gets better in season 8, after all it’s unfair to judge any coach based on their first 7 seasons.

You definitely can judge him by last year. It wasn't good. I said earlier I'm willing to to give him another chance as it was his first year and I want to see if he learned anything and shows he learned from it. Since this is a "retooling" they aren't going to do much anyway.lets see if he can be better and possibly be good going forward. 

Edited February 25 by ptatc

[ptatc]

1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

At the rate they’re going, it’s going to take at least three more seasons to get back to .500 barring a minor miracle.

Yet that would mean five full seasons passing while withholding a fair assessment based on lack of talent to compete with.  At the very least, four.

Results can be measured by more things than wins. How he handles the clubhouse with his veterans, his teaching of the game, his input on game descions, how he handles the coaches.

I know many people are only concerned with wins bit there are many other aspects to the game that can tell you if he is going in the right direction.

 

[Falstaff]

Another reason to get excited for 2024 is John Schriffen. Friday was a bit rough but yesterday was better. Yes sir I am onboard with Stoney & Schriffen. 

[Saufley]

3 hours ago, Falstaff said:

Another reason to get excited for 2024 is John Schriffen. Friday was a bit rough but yesterday was better. Yes sir I am onboard with Stoney & Schriffen. 

I used to watch them for results on the field and not in the broadcast booth. That hasn't changed and one reason I won't be watching them this year! I don't have the time or the patience regarding Reindorf's team.

[Lip Man 1]

Another awful, fall off the cliff start and Grifol will be fired around Memorial Day.

[Tony]

10 hours ago, ptatc said:

Results can be measured by more things than wins. How he handles the clubhouse with his veterans, his teaching of the game, his input on game descions, how he handles the coaches.

I know many people are only concerned with wins bit there are many other aspects to the game that can tell you if he is going in the right direction.

 

And if we’re only going off of actual results, which is what you seem to be basing your entire argument around…the clubhouse was a disaster last year, they were fundamentally flawed and there was nearly zero player improvement, the team regressed in almost every way. 

And you have the balls to call Sox fans “impatient?” They haven’t won a playoff series in 18 years. They play in BY FAR the largest market in the AL Central, yet are the only team in the division that hasn’t won a playoff series in that long. And Sox fans are impatient? 

Respectfully, get fucked. 

[ptatc]

Just now, Tony said:

And if we’re only going off of actual results, which is what you seem to be basing your entire argument around…the clubhouse was a disaster last year, they were fundamentally flawed and there was nearly zero player improvement, the team regressed in almost every way. 

And you have the balls to call Sox fans “impatient?” They haven’t won a playoff series in 18 years. They play in BY FAR the largest market in the AL Central, yet are the only team in the division that hasn’t won a playoff series in that long. And Sox fans are impatient? 

Respectfully, get fucked. 

Thank you,  I appreciate the sentiment. That's pretty aggressive language when answering someone's opinion. And obviously you have no respect for me so that Wil be the end of it.

I'm am willing to give the new FO a chance, you are under no obligation to.

[Tony]

6 minutes ago, ptatc said:

Thank you,  I appreciate the sentiment. That's pretty aggressive language when answering someone's opinion. And obviously you have no respect for me so that Wil be the end of it.

I'm am willing to give the new FO a chance, you are under no obligation to.

You insulted “most” of the people here. I insulted you. I’d say your statement was worse. 
 

But my all means, hide behind your feelings getting hurt than actually addressing the failures of the White Sox and this franchise that “deserves the benefit of the doubt”

[The Mighty Mite]

14 hours ago, Balta1701 said:

Results like a team the GM thought was competitive in a weak division that spent a season at each others throats, where basically everyone underperformed, where they were sloppy and unfocused, and where they lost 101 games?

Tell me how I shouldn’t judge Grifol based on his team’s underperformance last year. They had the talent of a 75 win team. Fine, this wasn’t where they wanted to be, but they played like a 67 win team in the first half, so bad that they had to trade people away. Multiple veterans ripped them after they left, all the way to literally yesterday.

How many seasons do we have to wait for before judging him? In spring 2025 do we have to hear that we can’t judge the coach until we see the results? 26? 27? Is Grifol still someone we are waiting on in 2028? 2029? Maybe he gets better in season 8, after all it’s unfair to judge any coach based on their first 7 seasons.

Besides being a lousy manager the guy is a big jerk.

Edited February 25 by The Mighty Mite

[Kyyle23]

Wooooo BOY a lot of us had no idea ?

[hi8is]

29 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

Wooooo BOY a lot of us had no idea ?

I love lamp.

[soxfan49]

On 2/25/2024 at 2:30 AM, ptatc said:

Results can be measured by more things than wins. How he handles the clubhouse with his veterans, his teaching of the game, his input on game descions, how he handles the coaches.

I know many people are only concerned with wins bit there are many other aspects to the game that can tell you if he is going in the right direction.

 

There are many other aspects to the game that can tell you if he is going in the right direction... and not one aspect shows he is going in the right direction

[JoeC]

20 minutes ago, soxfan49 said:

There are many other aspects to the game that can tell you if he is going in the right direction... and not one aspect shows he is going in the right direction

He's getting closer to the end of his contract, albeit slowly.

So we've got that going for us

[Chicago White Sox]

On 2/19/2024 at 5:23 PM, vilehoopster said:

There's a scene in Ghostbusters where the giant Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man is coming to kill them, and they all expect to die, no chances left. Egon says that maybe they should cross the streams. Murry/ Venkman says that he told them they all would die if they crossed the streams. Egon replies, "There's definitely a very small chance we could survive". Bill Murry/ Venkman thinks about it, and realizes, as much as it sucks, "definitely a very small chance" is way better than no chance at all to survive; so he does the line, "I love this plan . .  Let's do it". He knows that a terrible plan is way better than no plan at all. 

That's where I'm at with this White Sox team. I'm a White Sox Fan, and spring training is here. I know that everything looks bad for this year, and the team this year could really suck. But again, I'm a White fan, and damn it, I'm gonna stay a White Sox fan, and there's "definitely a very small chance" they could succeed and maybe contend for the division. And since the other choice is ignoring the White Sox and baseball after a long winter (for me, baseball death). I’m jumping on that “definitely very small chance” and so I love this team and I’m getting excited about this Sox team. 

So here goes, why I’m excited about this team (some of these I’m more confident about than others):

A lot of my hope rests on the benefits of a motivated and quality clubhouse. I think that could really make a difference, or I’m hoping it will. 

I’m very curious and excited about this new pitching staff, especially with the improved defense. I expect Cease to be outstanding until he’s dealt at the deadline. I expect a solid bounce back from a couple of either Fedde, Soroka, and Flexen. I think maybe one or two of them can be this year’s Mike Clevenger without being . . .well . . . Mike Clevenger. 

The bullpen: I get that everyone is complaining about the no-name bullpen; but really, even with all the “big names” last year, it was completely terrible, completely. I honestly believe that this year’s bullpen can’t be worse than last year’s bullpen. It can’t be. 

I expect a big jump in production from Vaughn and Benitendi. I really do; I think that will come from the improved clubhouse and Benitendi’s improved hand.

I think, this being the last year of his contract, I expect a motivated Moncada, motivated to play 145 games or so, and actually give some real production at the plate. I’m hanging onto that last month of production he had at the end of last year as evidence of what he can do all year in ‘24. 

Now to Eloy, hmmm. . . back to the clubhouse thing here. Last year as Eloy sat at his locker, he would look down the row of teammates and see this: fat Lance Lynn who was too lazy to get in shape and lose weight to help his team; the unmotivated Moncada; Grandal, what a piece of yuck; and finally, TA, the biggest cancer on a team loaded with cancers. That won’t be the case this year (I hope). With guys around him putting the team first, I’m hoping that he’ll step up this year and be productive. 

The defense will be significantly better, and that will help pitching. 

I know everyone, including me, wonders where the runs are going to come from, but again, it can’t be worse than last year. I just looked it up; the White Sox were 2nd to last (29 out of 30) in run production last year. The Sox offense has to be able to do better (or less bad) than that. And even if it’s not improved, with the better pitching and defense; they’re still going to win more games. 

So, I say it again: There’s definitely a very small chance that he White Sox could be successful this year, and I’m gonna get behind that chance because it is way better than no chance at all and being one of the countless number of doomsayers. 

And so, I love the team this year. I’m excited to be a fan of it!!

I’m not even trying to be mean, because I had one of these rah rah threads ahead of the 2023 season, but nearly every prediction here is wrong outside of the Fedde one.  It’s really impressive just how bad this time has been.

[Quin]

1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I’m not even trying to be mean, because I had one of these rah rah threads ahead of the 2023 season, but nearly every prediction here is wrong outside of the Fedde one.  It’s really impressive just how bad this time has been.

The Clevinger comment somehow aged poorly in multiple ways.

[Milkman delivers]

On 2/20/2024 at 8:09 AM, Milkman delivers said:

I’ll be honest that I haven’t hated the job Getz has done so far, especially considering the restraints placed on him by ownership. But this team is definitely worse than last year’s team.

I reined in my pessimism when I should’ve leaned into it. Rookie mistake.

[southsider2k5]

On 2/19/2024 at 7:07 PM, southsider2k5 said:

I wish I could care about the 2024 season even a fraction of the OP. 

Solid work there my four months ago friend.

[Kyyle23]

27 minutes ago, Milkman delivers said:

I reined in my pessimism when I should’ve leaned into it. Rookie mistake.

Your absence from soxtalk has made you rusty