Y2Jimmy0 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 The top 30 list is coming out this week. Here are the players who just missed our list: https://www.futuresox.net/2024/03/04/futuresox-white-sox-24-ps-just-missed/ 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 A decent amount of this list would have been top 20 guys a couple of years ago. It is nice to see a building of some real depth in the system. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 23 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: A decent amount of this list would have been top 20 guys a couple of years ago. It is nice to see a building of some real depth in the system. I think back to when the top five was the most recent #1 draft pick, a utility infielder, a bullpen arm, and two pitchers acquired in low level trades that would never go anywhere. It seems like they're doing a good job, even without the trades. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 (edited) 45 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: A decent amount of this list would have been top 20 guys a couple of years ago. It is nice to see a building of some real depth in the system. Meh. Given where we are at the MLB level I don't really think it's worth celebrating some increased depth in an overall mediocre system. I'm not going to bemoan it, but that's (increased depth) pretty much exactly what you'd expect from a team that has bottom quintile MLB talent and isn't going to be trading away fringe prospects, at all (at least as part of deals to get MLB ready talent), until that MLB talent improves. Edited March 4 by chitownsportsfan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 26 minutes ago, WestEddy said: I think back to when the top five was the most recent #1 draft pick, a utility infielder, a bullpen arm, and two pitchers acquired in low level trades that would never go anywhere. It seems like they're doing a good job, even without the trades. The dark days of Nestor Molina and Simon Castro 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 8 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: Meh. Given where we are at the MLB level I don't really think it's worth celebrating some increased depth in an overall mediocre system. I'm not going to bemoan it, but that's (increased depth) pretty much exactly what you'd expect from a team that has bottom quintile MLB talent and isn't going to be trading away fringe prospects, at all (at least as part of deals to get MLB ready talent), until that MLB talent improves. Despite the rage, that was the point of bringing in tons of shitty place holders this off season. Quit rushing kids and allow them to simmer as they need instead of putting them into bad situations they weren't ready for. Maybe not rushing the next Andrew Vaughn and forcing him into the OF as a lumbering ox allows him to at least learn how to hit first before being shoved into the majors. I have no idea how this will all end up, but there are at least a couple of signs that look better to me. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Depth is significantly better than it has been lately, especially on the pitching side of things and at catcher. OF is still a weakness in the system and we really need Wolkow or one of the LatAm kids to step up this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 26 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Despite the rage, that was the point of bringing in tons of shitty place holders this off season. Quit rushing kids and allow them to simmer as they need instead of putting them into bad situations they weren't ready for. Maybe not rushing the next Andrew Vaughn and forcing him into the OF as a lumbering ox allows him to at least learn how to hit first before being shoved into the majors. I have no idea how this will all end up, but there are at least a couple of signs that look better to me. I mean I've said it a few times, Getz has done a decent job doing what needs to be done to field the next good Sox team. None of it is sufficient so far, but all of it is required. We're in the early days of his tenure and much harder decisions will have to be made starting probably this summer -- but the steps so far have been the right direction. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Looking forward to the main list. The only big glaring miss in my opinion is Abraham Nunez Jr. I haven't put my top 30-50 together yet but he definitely slots into the top 30 for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 8 hours ago, Polar Bear said: Looking forward to the main list. The only big glaring miss in my opinion is Abraham Nunez Jr. I haven't put my top 30-50 together yet but he definitely slots into the top 30 for me. He had a solid season in the DSL, but nothing that really set him apart from the pack like Javier Mogollon did, IMO. I'm excited to see what they'll both be able to do stateside this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 Curious where new Venezuelan top signee Eduardo Herrera ends up… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 hour ago, caulfield12 said: Curious where new Venezuelan top signee Eduardo Herrera ends up… At 26 https://www.futuresox.net/2024/03/05/futuresox-24-ps-white-sox-16-30/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 4 hours ago, Sleepy Harold said: He had a solid season in the DSL, but nothing that really set him apart from the pack like Javier Mogollon did, IMO. I'm excited to see what they'll both be able to do stateside this year. In scouting and ranking the DSL, looking merely at production is where you will get lost and why many fail when doing so. It helps a ton but can be big red herrings at times. Mongollon stands 5'8" and will be a non factor the higher he moves up in the minors unless he is graced with a growth spurt. The power will vanish quicker than White Sox fans' hopes for a 2024 playoff berth. Nunez Jr. on the other hand is one of the top DSL players for me. He showed power, speed, and big time plate discipline (33 BB to 22 K). While I haven't done my Sox rankings yet, I have done my preseason top 275 prospects and Nunez Jr. came in at 213 right ahead of the Reds' Alfredo Duno. I do agree with the excitement going into this year, as it should be a lot more fun at the Arizona Complex League with Nunez Jr., Mongollon, Flores, and Gil there. Last year's J15 class was sneaky good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 8 minutes ago, Polar Bear said: In scouting and ranking the DSL, looking merely at production is where you will get lost and why many fail when doing so. It helps a ton but can be big red herrings at times. Mongollon stands 5'8" and will be a non factor the higher he moves up in the minors unless he is graced with a growth spurt. The power will vanish quicker than White Sox fans' hopes for a 2024 playoff berth. Nunez Jr. on the other hand is one of the top DSL players for me. He showed power, speed, and big time plate discipline (33 BB to 22 K). While I haven't done my Sox rankings yet, I have done my preseason top 275 prospects and Nunez Jr. came in at 213 right ahead of the Reds' Alfredo Duno. I do agree with the excitement going into this year, as it should be a lot more fun at the Arizona Complex League with Nunez Jr., Mongollon, Flores, and Gil there. Last year's J15 class was sneaky good What did you see for Mogollon that makes you so much more pessimistic vs FutureSox and everyone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 16 minutes ago, Polar Bear said: In scouting and ranking the DSL, looking merely at production is where you will get lost and why many fail when doing so. It helps a ton but can be big red herrings at times. Mongollon stands 5'8" and will be a non factor the higher he moves up in the minors unless he is graced with a growth spurt. The power will vanish quicker than White Sox fans' hopes for a 2024 playoff berth. Nunez Jr. on the other hand is one of the top DSL players for me. He showed power, speed, and big time plate discipline (33 BB to 22 K). While I haven't done my Sox rankings yet, I have done my preseason top 275 prospects and Nunez Jr. came in at 213 right ahead of the Reds' Alfredo Duno. I do agree with the excitement going into this year, as it should be a lot more fun at the Arizona Complex League with Nunez Jr., Mongollon, Flores, and Gil there. Last year's J15 class was sneaky good I'm not saying I looked at solely production when I put together my list. I tend to not want to rank anyone from the DSL (unless it's a high profile signing like Herrera) because the numbers there are misleading. However, when you have an instance of a player (Mogollon) clearly separating themselves from the rest of the pack, with the notable publications taking notice and saying as much, you need to pay attention. Mogollon was fourth in the league in HR and ninth in OPS, which isn't nothing. I understand the height (or lack thereof) being a concern or not expecting him to be Altuve Jr., but it's way too early IMO to say he'll (effectively) amount to nothing because he's short. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 (edited) 2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: What did you see for Mogollon that makes you so much more pessimistic vs FutureSox and everyone else? It about future projection and abilities. Mongollon doesn't project to increase in power (decrease actually). Mongollon is fighting against physics and the odds are that he is not going to be the one in a million rare golden unicorn Its also more about Nunez Jr. and his bigger projectability. Edited March 5 by Polar Bear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 https://www.mlb.com/prospects/whitesox/ MLB Pipeline Top 30 Sox prospects 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 1 hour ago, Polar Bear said: It about future projection and abilities. Mongollon doesn't project to increase in power (decrease actually). Mongollon is fighting against physics and the odds are that he is not going to be the one in a million rare golden unicorn Its also more about Nunez Jr. and his bigger projectability. Based on what? Just his height? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 2 hours ago, caulfield12 said: https://www.mlb.com/prospects/whitesox/ MLB Pipeline Top 30 Sox prospects Will post a comparison after Future Sox posts their Top 15 later this week. Signed up for Patreon for both Future Sox and Sox Machine after creating an account this week. Have enjoyed the full analysis for each of the players and other content. Signed up for Sox Machine primarily to get James Fegan's coverage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted March 6 Author Share Posted March 6 1 hour ago, South Side Hit Men said: Will post a comparison after Future Sox posts their Top 15 later this week. Signed up for Patreon for both Future Sox and Sox Machine after creating an account this week. Have enjoyed the full analysis for each of the players and other content. Signed up for Sox Machine primarily to get James Fegan's coverage. The entire top 30 is publishing now fwiw 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 5 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: The entire top 30 is publishing now fwiw Awesome, I'll catch up on my reading today and tomorrow! Here is the comparison with Future Sox' Top 30 vs. the MLB rankings by Jim Callis. There are three Future Sox ranked not within the MLB Top 30 rankings. futuresox.net (James Fox author): https://www.futuresox.net/2024/03/05/futuresox-2024-preseas-wsox-t30-list/ MLB.com (Jim Callis author): https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/chicago-white-sox-top-30-prospects-list-2024-preseason?t=mlb-pipeline-coverage FutureSox Rankings: Bold = New FutureSox Ranked Prospect; Green Ranking Improvement vs. 2023; Red Rank Decline vs. 2023 MLB Notes (Rank, Level, ETA, Age) FutureSox Top 30 Same SS Colson Montgomery (2021 Draft R1) vs. #1 AA 2024 22 Same LHP Noah Schultz (2022 Draft R1) vs. #2 A 2026 20 +1 3B Bryan Ramos (2018 Cuban Signing) vs. #3 MLB 2024 21 -1 C Edgar Quero (2023 Trade Los Angeles Angels) vs. #4 AA 2025 20 +3 RHP Nick Nastrini (2023 Trade Los Angeles N. L.) vs. #6 AAA 2024 24 Same LHP Jake Eder (2023 Trade Miami) vs. #7 MLB 2025 25 -2 SS Jacob Gonzalez (2023 Draft R1) vs. #5 A 2026 21 +2 RHP Peyton Pallette (2022 Draft R2) vs. #9 AA 2026 22 +2 RHP Jonathan Cannon (2022 Draft R3) vs. #8 AA 2025 23 +2 RHP Grant Taylor (2023 Draft R2) vs. #10 ROK 2027 21 New OF Dominic Fletcher (2024 Trade Arizona) vs. #13 MLB 2024 26 +7 OF George Wolkow (2023 Draft R7) vs. #11 A 2027 18 -4 SS Jose Rodriguez (2018 Dominican Signing) vs. #14 MLB 2024 22 +8 RHP Tanner McDougal (2021 Draft R5) vs. #18 A 2026 20 Same RHP Seth Keener (2023 Draft R3) vs. #12 A 2026 22 -3 LHP Ky Bush (2023 Trade Los Angeles A. L.) vs. #17 AA 2025 24 -1 OF Jacob Burke (2023 Draft R11) vs. #30 A+ 2025 23 +2 OF Wilfred Veras (2019 Dominican Signing) vs. #25 AA 2025 21 +4 RHP Jordan Leasure (2023 Trade Los Angeles N. L.) vs. #15 AAA 2024 25 New OF Zach DeLoach (2024 Trade Seattle) vs. #29 MLB 2024 25 +3 SS Ryan Burrowes (2022 Panamanian Signing) vs. #21 A 2027 19 -8 OF Terrell Tatum (2021 Draft R16) vs. Not Ranked New RHP Prelander Berroa (2024 Trade Seattle) vs. #16 MLB 2024 23 New 2B Javier Mogollon (2023 Venezuelan Signing) vs. #22 ROK 2028 18 -7 RHP Sean Burke (2021 Draft R3) vs. #20 AAA 2025 24 New 3B Eduardo Herrera (2024 Venezuelan Signing) vs. #23 ROK 2029 17 -1 RHP Juan Carela (2023 Trade New York A. L.) vs. #26 A+ 2025 22 +2 RHP Mason Adams (2022 Draft R12) vs. #19 AA 2025 24 New RHP Mathias LaCombe (2023 Draft R12) vs. Not Ranked New RHP Aldrin Batista (2023 Trade Los Angeles N. L.) vs. Not Ranked Just missed within FutureSox Top 30 INF Brooks Baldwin (2022 Draft R12) #24 A+ 2025 23 LHP Shane Drohan (2023 Rule 5 Draft Boston) #27 MLB 2024 25 RHP Alex Speas (2023 Waiver Claim Texas) #28 MLB 2024 26 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 7 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said: Awesome, I'll catch up on my reading today and tomorrow! Here is the comparison with Future Sox' Top 30 vs. the MLB rankings by Jim Callis. There are three Future Sox ranked not within the MLB Top 30 rankings. futuresox.net (James Fox author): https://www.futuresox.net/2024/03/05/futuresox-2024-preseas-wsox-t30-list/ MLB.com (Jim Callis author): https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/chicago-white-sox-top-30-prospects-list-2024-preseason?t=mlb-pipeline-coverage FutureSox Rankings: Bold = New FutureSox Ranked Prospect; Green Ranking Improvement vs. 2023; Red Rank Decline vs. 2023 MLB Notes (Rank, Level, ETA, Age) FutureSox Top 30 Same SS Colson Montgomery (2021 Draft R1) vs. #1 AA 2024 22 Same LHP Noah Schultz (2022 Draft R1) vs. #2 A 2026 20 +1 3B Bryan Ramos (2018 Cuban Signing) vs. #3 MLB 2024 21 -1 C Edgar Quero (2023 Trade Los Angeles Angels) vs. #4 AA 2025 20 +3 RHP Nick Nastrini (2023 Trade Los Angeles N. L.) vs. #6 AAA 2024 24 Same LHP Jake Eder (2023 Trade Miami) vs. #7 MLB 2025 25 -2 SS Jacob Gonzalez (2023 Draft R1) vs. #5 A 2026 21 +2 RHP Peyton Pallette (2022 Draft R2) vs. #9 AA 2026 22 +2 RHP Jonathan Cannon (2022 Draft R3) vs. #8 AA 2025 23 +2 RHP Grant Taylor (2023 Draft R2) vs. #10 ROK 2027 21 New OF Dominic Fletcher (2024 Trade Arizona) vs. #13 MLB 2024 26 +7 OF George Wolkow (2023 Draft R7) vs. #11 A 2027 18 -4 SS Jose Rodriguez (2018 Dominican Signing) vs. #14 MLB 2024 22 +8 RHP Tanner McDougal (2021 Draft R5) vs. #18 A 2026 20 Same RHP Seth Keener (2023 Draft R3) vs. #12 A 2026 22 -3 LHP Ky Bush (2023 Trade Los Angeles A. L.) vs. #17 AA 2025 24 -1 OF Jacob Burke (2023 Draft R11) vs. #30 A+ 2025 23 +2 OF Wilfred Veras (2019 Dominican Signing) vs. #25 AA 2025 21 +4 RHP Jordan Leasure (2023 Trade Los Angeles N. L.) vs. #15 AAA 2024 25 New OF Zach DeLoach (2024 Trade Seattle) vs. #29 MLB 2024 25 +3 SS Ryan Burrowes (2022 Panamanian Signing) vs. #21 A 2027 19 -8 OF Terrell Tatum (2021 Draft R16) vs. Not Ranked New RHP Prelander Berroa (2024 Trade Seattle) vs. #16 MLB 2024 23 New 2B Javier Mogollon (2023 Venezuelan Signing) vs. #22 ROK 2028 18 -7 RHP Sean Burke (2021 Draft R3) vs. #20 AAA 2025 24 New 3B Eduardo Herrera (2024 Venezuelan Signing) vs. #23 ROK 2029 17 -1 RHP Juan Carela (2023 Trade New York A. L.) vs. #26 A+ 2025 22 +2 RHP Mason Adams (2022 Draft R12) vs. #19 AA 2025 24 New RHP Mathias LaCombe (2023 Draft R12) vs. Not Ranked New RHP Aldrin Batista (2023 Trade Los Angeles N. L.) vs. Not Ranked Just missed within FutureSox Top 30 INF Brooks Baldwin (2022 Draft R12) #24 A+ 2025 23 LHP Shane Drohan (2023 Rule 5 Draft Boston) #27 MLB 2024 25 RHP Alex Speas (2023 Waiver Claim Texas) #28 MLB 2024 26 Wasn't Berroa something like the #12 prospect in the Seattle system...and at least a potential candidate to start, at least that was suggested at the time of the trade? Guess Seattle's system is just really pretty bad, or the idea about him possibly being utilized as a starter has flown the coop already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 (edited) 5 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Based on what? Just his height? Yes, physics are against him more than someone 6'2" or taller. The power will never amount to more than a 10-15 home run profile, unless he breaks the laws of physics and the odds are far and away against that happening. All we really have on Mogollon is stats and his size. There are a few videos of him out there but they don't offer a ton. Based on my expertise and judgment, its easily Nunez Jr. over Mogollon Edited March 6 by Polar Bear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 11 minutes ago, Polar Bear said: Yes, physics are against him more than someone 6'2" or taller. The power will never amount to more than a 10-15 home run profile, unless he breaks the laws of physics and the odds are far and away against that happening. All we really have on Mogollon is stats and his size. There are a few videos of him out there but they don't offer a ton. Based on my expertise and judgment, its easily Nunez Jr. over Mogollon These two paragraphs couldn't be more contradictory. I was hoping you had something like exit velocities or some video work you were doing to back up those absoluteist statements. It really takes away from what you are saying when your methodology is so simplistic, yet all knowing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted March 6 Share Posted March 6 1 hour ago, South Side Hit Men said: Here is the comparison with Future Sox' Top 30 vs. the MLB rankings by Jim Callis. There are three Future Sox ranked not within the MLB Top 30 rankings. Sox on 35th did a top 30 with "just missed". Do you guys give them much credibility? South Side Sox does that top 100 thing, but last year, they petered out in the high 30's, and I don't think they even posted the rest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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