cwsox Posted November 12, 2003 Share Posted November 12, 2003 No offense to the author of this thread, but i wish this topic would DIE. Only because Im tired of coming onto soxtalk and seeing "Koch to the Mets" on the top of the site everyday. We have all said the same arguments repeatively....."were switching one bad player for another"......."Koch will rebound"......"Cedano brings speed to the basepaths/outfield". Of course there's not going to be alot of new topics to discuss at this point in the offseason.....just any thread with the name Koch in the title makes me :puke Here are 4 more sentences that i got into. I am amazed to see this thread day after day at the top of the charts. Are we even talking about Koch in this thread anymore? Amazing how a thread can take on a life of its own! This is one of those threads that will not die! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted November 12, 2003 Share Posted November 12, 2003 Though the stolen base, itself, is over rated, the effects of speed on the game iss not. However, one of the arguements in favor of additional speed is the the value of it when on defense. In this case, Cedeno, it does not apply because he is such a terrible defensive outfielder. On other point I'd like to make. If RISKING an out for a base, via the stolen base attempt, is considered bad baseball, then what do you consider SACRIFICING an out for a base, via the sacifice bunt? For those ancient ones amongst us, such as myself who remember the Go Go Sox, stealing and sacrificing, bunting, and all of that in the Go Go game would be great to see again - but I do wonder if it could win in this era. That was a different game almost than what is played today. But I do wish that we could do those things better. Having those weapons in our arsenal could only enhance the offense. Not to make this thread any longer which I have, I am at work and all my books and resources are at home, does anyone know offhand the details of how we once scored - and I may have the numbers a tad bit off - 11 runs in an inning with only one hit? Manufacturing runs is a lost art. And I don't think the Sox will win until we stop playing Earl Weaver style (waiting for the 3-run home run) and at least include some Go Go Sox offense in our skill set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted November 12, 2003 Share Posted November 12, 2003 Being that I have only really witnessed this new era of baseball, I believe that stealing, speed, etc, can win baseball games. There really is no reinventing the wheel, and the only reason that power has become so prevelant is based purely on fan interest. There is belief that fans like the long ball, therefore teams try to get players who hit home runs. But if a team won with very little home runs, all of a sudden people would want to win that way. The game is ebb and flow, and the reality of the situation is, I think the White Sox have the best chance to win with players who possess speed, as opposed to power. Power players get the big contracts, speed players often slide through the cracks. If we spent our big contracts on pitching, and reserved our offensive contracts to speed players with lower salaries we could be competitive. The basic problem with our franchise is that we have no real direction. We just stay in the middle, some speed, some power. SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted November 12, 2003 Share Posted November 12, 2003 Having [speed] weapons in our arsenal could only enhance the offense. That's all I wanted to say. I never suggested Frank Thomas and Magglio be replaced with Augie Ojeda or Mike Caruso or, worse, be forced to bunt; you still need your power guns in the 3-5 spots-- hell, even "small-ball" Florida had Pudge-Cabrera-Lowell-Conine-Lee-Gonzalez to drive in runs. After watching Sox force-outs and double plays all season long, I don't see how anyone in his right mind wouldn't want to see more situational base-stealing and hit-and-runs. More speed period. Cause I tell you, IT CAN'T GET MUCH WORSE THAN LOSING THE AL f***ING CENTRAL the way we did in 2003! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted November 13, 2003 Share Posted November 13, 2003 The basic problem with our franchise is that we have no real direction. We just stay in the middle, some speed, some power. That's not called lack of direction, it's called balance. The problem with the Sox is that they are not balanced in this regard. They are way to heavily stocked with right handed power hitters that are either lacking reasonable speed, passible defensive abilities, command of the strike zone or baseball savy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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