sin city sox fan Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Whats realistic for the start of the rebuild next season? If we get a new manager and add a couple of mid level starters, can we reach 45 wins? 50 wins? I don't see more than 30 this year, so is a 50-65% improvement realistic or do you expect more? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 (edited) 22 minutes ago, sin city sox fan said: Whats realistic for the start of the rebuild next season? If we get a new manager and add a couple of mid level starters, can we reach 45 wins? 50 wins? I don't see more than 30 this year, so is a 50-65% improvement realistic or do you expect more? The problem is the Sox are just beginning one of those long stretches of badness that the Pirates and Orioles have had. Remember when the O's finished last every year and were out of it every May? Sox need so much of everything I would expect the team to blow chunks again next season. We need a new owner badly. And we need a manager like Maddon when he was good. ... Seriously, in a polite way Jerry needs to be run out of town. How can any reasonable fan accept two tank jobs in such a short period of time? Edited April 1 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Looking forward to 2025 2026 2027 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 (edited) Grifol hasn't even called a team meeting, YET. Ron Washington managed a 4-1 win for LAA Sunday after the first lecture about his Angels team and that "we can't get off track." "We just got to make certain that we come to be the ballpark ready to go." Maybe the City of Chicago will pay JR a bribe/kickback simply to go away and stop embarrassing the city...? Edited April 1 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sin city sox fan Posted April 1 Author Share Posted April 1 1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said: Looking forward to 2025 2026 2027 I'm not expecting us to contend for the playoffs til probably 2030......But I want to see some improvement next season. Back to back years with 30-35 wins could be unwatchable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sin city sox fan Posted April 1 Author Share Posted April 1 1 minute ago, caulfield12 said: Grifol hasn't even called a team meeting, YET. Ron Washington managed a 4-1 win for LAA Sunday after the first lecture about his Angels team and that "we can't get off track." "We just got to make certain that we come to be the ballpark ready to go." Grifol could call a team meeting and zero players might show. That's how little leadership I think he has. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 There's no way this team is competitive in 2025 even with new ownership. It will take at least several years to clean up and clean out the rot, incompetence, dysfunction and ineptness that permeates this franchise from top to bottom. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 9 hours ago, greg775 said: The problem is the Sox are just beginning one of those long stretches of badness that the Pirates and Orioles have had. Remember when the O's finished last every year and were out of it every May? Sox need so much of everything I would expect the team to blow chunks again next season. We need a new owner badly. And we need a manager like Maddon when he was good. ... Seriously, in a polite way Jerry needs to be run out of town. How can any reasonable fan accept two tank jobs in such a short period of time? I don't believe this is the case, unless you have a multi-generational timeline in mind. The White Sox are entering Year 14 (2011 - 2024) of tanking / bad baseball, with five solid months (Ventura 3; Renteria 1; La Russa 1) over this span. (5) White Sox Months 6+ Wins > .500 19-10 May 2021 19-9 August 2020 17-8 April 2016 16-10 July 2015 18-11 May 2012 (21) White Sox Months 6+ Wins < .500 8-19 September 2023 10-17 August 2023 7-16 July 2023 7-20 April 2023 7-17 July 2019 8-19 September 2018 9-15 July 2018 8-19 May 2018 6-18 April 2018 11-18 August 2017 6-18 July 2017 11-18 May 2017 11-17 May 2016 10-16 June 2015 9-19 August 2014 7-21 September 2013 8-18 July 2013 8-19 June 2013 11-17 September 2012 11-17 September 2011 10-18 April 2011 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 We are now basically the feeder/farm system for the rest of MLB...like the G League Unite for the NBA, minus promising high school schoolers. (Except for Luis Robert Jr.'s presence...however long this lasts until he's traded as well.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Ah man we lost sin city Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RibbieRubarb Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 (edited) The White Sox had their chance last fall. They could have brought in outside people to run the club, clean some house, and install a new culture. Within moments of them saying all options are on the table, JR put his foot down again and said "No...I need my 'Yes Men' to run the club." No real contention or change will happen until there is new ownership. Edited April 1 by RibbieRubarb 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 There is certainly a path to having a competent pitching staff by next year. That requires Crochet staying healthy, holding onto Fedde, and a few young arms taking a leap (such as Nastrini), but it’s definitely within the realm of possible. Creating a competent offense by next year will prove challenging. Jerry would need to add a couple major bats for it to be possible at all. For example, let’s say Jerry goes out and adds Peter Alonso for 1B and Gleyber Torres for 2B. Is this lineup good enough to make some noise in the AL Central next year? Benintendi, LF* Torres, 2B Robert, CF Alonso, 1B Montgomery, SS* Vaughn, DH Fletcher, RF* Ramos, 3B Quero, CA# Still a massive amount of question marks and it still requires two free agent signings that would be financially possible but unprecedented from a White Sox commitment standpoint. Honestly, the lack of high end positional talent in the system is immensely concerning and I’m not sure what Getz plans to do to help address it unless Jerry will finally sign some large checks. Montgomery alone isn’t enough to get the impact talent to where it needs to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 1 hour ago, Kyyle23 said: Ah man we lost sin city No, not yet. He somehow sees a light at the end of this tunnel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 I hate to break it to the OP, but 2025 isn’t magically going to be better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 31 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: There is certainly a path to having a competent pitching staff by next year. That requires Crochet staying healthy, holding onto Fedde, and a few young arms taking a leap (such as Nastrini), but it’s definitely within the realm of possible. Creating a competent offense by next year will prove challenging. Jerry would need to add a couple major bats for it to be possible at all. For example, let’s say Jerry goes out and adds Peter Alonso for 1B and Gleyber Torres for 2B. Is this lineup good enough to make some noise in the AL Central next year? Benintendi, LF* Torres, 2B Robert, CF Alonso, 1B Montgomery, SS* Vaughn, DH Fletcher, RF* Ramos, 3B Quero, CA# Still a massive amount of question marks and it still requires two free agent signings that would be financially possible but unprecedented from a White Sox commitment standpoint. Honestly, the lack of high end positional talent in the system is immensely concerning and I’m not sure what Getz plans to do to help address it unless Jerry will finally sign some large checks. Montgomery alone isn’t enough to get the impact talent to where it needs to be. Four of the last five hitters would be rookie or second year players. Whether it’s Colas or Fletcher, you probably can’t survive without one of those Adam Duvall or Hunter Renfroe types that are going to cost them $6-8 million. Certainly not Robbie Grossman/Naquin variants at this stage of their careers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 5 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: I hate to break it to the OP, but 2025 isn’t magically going to be better. Not much left in the cupboard to trade. Might as well get the max for Wilson or Kopech as quasi closers like Reylo last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 27 minutes ago, Quin said: No, not yet. He somehow sees a light at the end of this tunnel. 45-50 wins next season is “light at the end of the tunnel?” ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 2 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: 45-50 wins next season is “light at the end of the tunnel?” ? A 50-65% improvement is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 Just now, Quin said: A 50-65% improvement is Over 30 wins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 6 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: Over 30 wins Look, digging in my heels is easier than saying I misread it. But also, I just expect things to get worse, somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zisk Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: There is certainly a path to having a competent pitching staff by next year. That requires Crochet staying healthy, holding onto Fedde, and a few young arms taking a leap (such as Nastrini), but it’s definitely within the realm of possible. Creating a competent offense by next year will prove challenging. Jerry would need to add a couple major bats for it to be possible at all. For example, let’s say Jerry goes out and adds Peter Alonso for 1B and Gleyber Torres for 2B. Is this lineup good enough to make some noise in the AL Central next year? Benintendi, LF* Torres, 2B Robert, CF Alonso, 1B Montgomery, SS* Vaughn, DH Fletcher, RF* Ramos, 3B Quero, CA# Still a massive amount of question marks and it still requires two free agent signings that would be financially possible but unprecedented from a White Sox commitment standpoint. Honestly, the lack of high end positional talent in the system is immensely concerning and I’m not sure what Getz plans to do to help address it unless Jerry will finally sign some large checks. Montgomery alone isn’t enough to get the impact talent to where it needs to be. Only used three of the five stages of grief: A little bit of denial, some bargaining and then straight to acceptance at the end. I've been in a perpetual anger and depression loop myself since last April. Edited April 1 by zisk spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimpton Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 13 hours ago, greg775 said: The problem is the Sox are just beginning one of those long stretches of badness that the Pirates and Orioles have had. Remember when the O's finished last every year and were out of it every May? The White Sox will be out of it by mid-April let alone May! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 1 hour ago, RibbieRubarb said: The White Sox had their chance last fall. They could have brought in outside people to run the club, clean some house, install a new culture. Within moments of them saying all options are on the table, JR put his put down again and said "No...I need my 'Yes Men' to run the club." No real contention or change will happen until there is new ownership. Give the Sox a fork in the road to choose their path, and they will stab themselves in the eye with it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 13 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: There's no way this team is competitive in 2025 even with new ownership. It will take at least several years to clean up and clean out the rot, incompetence, dysfunction and ineptness that permeates this franchise from top to bottom. This is exactly why I don't get people who are still living and dying with each AB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 2 minutes ago, Chimpton said: The White Sox will be out of it by mid-April let alone May! April 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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