Snopek Posted Tuesday at 12:35 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 12:35 AM 3 hours ago, Scott Merkin Fan said: I think the potential AL ASG starter should be extended and not traded. The only non arbitration contracts on the books are Benintendi and Stassi. This downright refusal to pay players past their rookie contracts is ludicrous. 29 other teams in baseball would behave differently. They’ve recently extended TA, Moncada, Eloy and Robert, so they are willing. Jerry just refuses to do it for starting pitchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted Tuesday at 12:51 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 12:51 AM 4 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: It’s funny that a month ago I was being ridiculed for saying I thought Crochet would have slightly less but similar trade value this July to what Cease had last offseason. Now some folks thinking he will have even higher trade value. I don’t necessarily agree with that but at least now you see the light. Crochet is a stud, magical innings limit be damned. I for one will gladly eat crow...chet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highland Posted Tuesday at 12:58 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 12:58 AM 9 hours ago, WestEddy said: 2026 is Crochet's walk year. 2030 is Thorpe's, if he stays in the majors. We may be a .500 team in 2026. We really should be "competitive" before 2030. Don't count on being competitive by 2030. Not with this bunch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted Tuesday at 02:16 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:16 AM 1 hour ago, Highland said: Don't count on being competitive by 2030. Not with this bunch. A lot can happen in 5 years 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4OCS Posted Tuesday at 02:41 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:41 AM 4 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Crochet hasn’t blown past it yet. I seem to remember posters expecting 75-100 innings. I believe you were expecting 150 innings or possibly more. But even Sox mouthpiece Bob Nightengale is now saying that the Sox have a plan to limit Crochet the rest of the way this season, which you kept arguing wasn’t a thing at all. It seems to me that the majority of posters that thought there would be an innings limit were right, but were off on the total number of innings that he would pitch. You were insistent that there was no plan to limit Crochet’s innings because “he’s a freak” and “he’s showing no signs of slowing down” and that his arm can handle it. How does that make you more right than the majority of posters? Nah there was a thread (at least one) with people specifically claiming there is no way he can physically handle more than 75 or 80 innings 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted Tuesday at 02:57 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:57 AM https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2024/07/01/white-sox-can-take-steps-in-rebuild-process-as-trade-deadline-nears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted Tuesday at 02:59 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:59 AM 2 hours ago, JoeC said: I for one will gladly eat crow...chet. Croquette...a French delight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted Tuesday at 11:58 AM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 11:58 AM 9 hours ago, 4OCS said: Nah there was a thread (at least one) with people specifically claiming there is no way he can physically handle more than 75 or 80 innings Yup, including the resident doctor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted Tuesday at 12:36 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 12:36 PM 9 hours ago, 4OCS said: Nah there was a thread (at least one) with people specifically claiming there is no way he can physically handle more than 75 or 80 innings That was me. I'm surprised they have let him go this many innings. They are playing with fire. I guess they are really confident in the strengthening program for the rehab for the UCL reconstruction. It will be interesting to see what next year looks like next year. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Mercedes Posted Tuesday at 01:01 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:01 PM 12 hours ago, Snopek said: They’ve recently extended TA, Moncada, Eloy and Robert, so they are willing. Jerry just refuses to do it for starting pitchers. To a point. The day Jerry would pay an expensive deal well past AB, that’ll be the day that I die Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted Tuesday at 01:11 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:11 PM 7 minutes ago, Chick Mercedes said: To a point. The day Jerry would pay an expensive deal well past AB, that’ll be the day that I die Absolutely. It was more of a response to the “downright refusal to pay players past their rookie contracts” line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted Tuesday at 01:16 PM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 01:16 PM 38 minutes ago, ptatc said: That was me. I'm surprised they have let him go this many innings. They are playing with fire. I guess they are really confident in the strengthening program for the rehab for the UCL reconstruction. It will be interesting to see what next year looks like next year. At this point, would you be surprised if he pitches 150 innings this season while maintaining an ERA in the low 3s? I figure he’s got another ~12 starts and 50+ innings in him before the season ends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted Tuesday at 01:51 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:51 PM 31 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: At this point, would you be surprised if he pitches 150 innings this season while maintaining an ERA in the low 3s? I figure he’s got another ~12 starts and 50+ innings in him before the season ends. I would consider it malpractice if he goes 150. That's double his his entire career and nearly triple his season high. I think they are more than he should be now. But they are with him so they know more. It will be interesting to see how he performs next year after this workload. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaff Posted Tuesday at 02:05 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:05 PM (edited) Elijah Evans at Future Sox : "Ky Bush is being promoted to Triple-A Charlotte! He has been excellent this season after being traded to the organization last summer. 2.12 ERA, 1.03 WHIP, 78 strikeouts. Opponents batting just .180. Should get innings in Chicago later this year! " Looks Like Ky is on the move if the Sox unload pitching at the deadline. I tried to get Elijah's link but it didn't work for me Edited Tuesday at 02:07 PM by Falstaff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted Tuesday at 02:11 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 02:11 PM 5 minutes ago, Falstaff said: Elijah Evans at Future Sox : "Ky Bush is being promoted to Triple-A Charlotte! He has been excellent this season after being traded to the organization last summer. 2.12 ERA, 1.03 WHIP, 78 strikeouts. Opponents batting just .180. Should get innings in Chicago later this year! " Looks Like Ky is on the move if the Sox unload pitching at the deadline. I tried to get Elijah's link but it didn't work for me Tbf everyone with a pulse is getting innings in Chicago, Crochet or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted Tuesday at 03:33 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 03:33 PM 2 hours ago, ptatc said: That was me. I'm surprised they have let him go this many innings. They are playing with fire. I guess they are really confident in the strengthening program for the rehab for the UCL reconstruction. It will be interesting to see what next year looks like next year. Yet so afraid of extensions after Danks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted Tuesday at 03:35 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 03:35 PM 1 hour ago, Falstaff said: Elijah Evans at Future Sox : "Ky Bush is being promoted to Triple-A Charlotte! He has been excellent this season after being traded to the organization last summer. 2.12 ERA, 1.03 WHIP, 78 strikeouts. Opponents batting just .180. Should get innings in Chicago later this year! " Looks Like Ky is on the move if the Sox unload pitching at the deadline. I tried to get Elijah's link but it didn't work for me Elijah Tatis, lol…? Can SoxTalk/Future Sox interview him on what went wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted Tuesday at 03:37 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 03:37 PM 1 hour ago, ptatc said: I would consider it malpractice if he goes 150. That's double his his entire career and nearly triple his season high. I think they are more than he should be now. But they are with him so they know more. It will be interesting to see how he performs next year after this workload. Certainly not one to give the Sox any benefit of the doubt (you have much more than I) but I do wonder if this has been a calculated decision, to showcase him as much as possible because they know they will be trading him. There is historical data that does back up what you're saying, and if Crochet was viewed as a long term investment for the Sox, you would think they would handle with more caution, especially in a season when they are the worst team in the league. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted Tuesday at 03:39 PM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 03:39 PM 1 hour ago, ptatc said: I would consider it malpractice if he goes 150. That's double his his entire career and nearly triple his season high. I think they are more than he should be now. But they are with him so they know more. It will be interesting to see how he performs next year after this workload. What happens if he goes 150 this season and 175+ next season while continuing to perform at a high level? Will he have established a new precedent for pitchers coming off TJS moving forward? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted Tuesday at 03:46 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 03:46 PM 4 minutes ago, Tony said: Certainly not one to give the Sox any benefit of the doubt (you have much more than I) but I do wonder if this has been a calculated decision, to showcase him as much as possible because they know they will be trading him. There is historical data that does back up what you're saying, and if Crochet was viewed as a long term investment for the Sox, you would think they would handle with more caution, especially in a season when they are the worst team in the league. Average number of innings pitched after TJ1…median is just 130 for pitchers who had the first one. More than 50% of players returned to the DL because of injuries to their throwing arms after returning from surgery. Also, total number with two or more TJ surgeries somewhere in the 125-150 range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted Tuesday at 03:49 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 03:49 PM 7 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: What happens if he goes 150 this season and 175+ next season while continuing to perform at a high level? Will he have established a new precedent for pitchers coming off TJS moving forward? Or it’s just a total fluke…based largely upon Crochet’s willpower/determination than anything to do with a coordinated White Sox system-wide program. See Burger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted Tuesday at 03:57 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 03:57 PM 19 minutes ago, Tony said: Certainly not one to give the Sox any benefit of the doubt (you have much more than I) but I do wonder if this has been a calculated decision, to showcase him as much as possible because they know they will be trading him. There is historical data that does back up what you're saying, and if Crochet was viewed as a long term investment for the Sox, you would think they would handle with more caution, especially in a season when they are the worst team in the league. 100% they are treating him like they don't care about his long term health implications. That's the first thing that told me he would be traded. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted Tuesday at 04:02 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 04:02 PM 26 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Yet so afraid of extensions after Danks. They extended Sale and Quintana after Danks, courted Samardzija and Giolito, both of whom were intent to test out free agency. They also worked with Lynn on a short extension. Oh, and Bummer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted Tuesday at 04:03 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 04:03 PM 21 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: What happens if he goes 150 this season and 175+ next season while continuing to perform at a high level? Will he have established a new precedent for pitchers coming off TJS moving forward? It's not so much the UCL rehab as it is his previous workload. He never pitched more than about 50 innings in any season. But maybe the UCL rehab will be looked at to build the arm without actually pitching. It's possible. Or maybe he is a physical freak that we don't know about. The peo0le working with him will know more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted Tuesday at 04:11 PM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 04:11 PM 6 minutes ago, ptatc said: It's not so much the UCL rehab as it is his previous workload. He never pitched more than about 50 innings in any season. But maybe the UCL rehab will be looked at to build the arm without actually pitching. It's possible. Or maybe he is a physical freak that we don't know about. The peo0le working with him will know more. But Chris Sale also had a huge jump in workload from 2011 to 2012. He was fine for years after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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