Guess Trade Values of Sox Starters

[Snowy Demon]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/07/brewers-to-acquire-aaron-civale.html

Interesting. 

[Snopek]

2 minutes ago, Snowy Demon said:

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/07/brewers-to-acquire-aaron-civale.html

Interesting. 

I imagine this doesn’t take them out of the Fedde sweepstakes. They need another SP.

[southsider2k5]

Here's something that could change things a lot...

https://fansided.com/posts/jackson-holliday-frustrated-proof-orioles-playing-with-fire

 

[Snowy Demon]

2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Here's something that could change things a lot...

https://fansided.com/posts/jackson-holliday-frustrated-proof-orioles-playing-with-fire

 

Fansided and SI are not exactly good places to get information.  

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

7 hours ago, GreenSox said:

It would be nice to see this trade market start to crack and open.    Getz has a lot of guys he can move and every one is important; no giveaways or rule 5 guys (the guy we fit Texas was a rule 5 guy but we basically traded nothing for him). Trades on the Sox’ terms.   But it’s a lot of work and the more time they allow themselves the better.  For as much as the Orioles hug their best prospects, they also gave their #18 and #20 to the Cardinals to rent Flaherty and his 1.55 WHIP.  There is value in the second and third tier. 

Unfortunately I think it won't be noteworthy except probably neither Robert or Crochet get traded at the deadline.

Crochet is truly a unicorn. Like Ptatc said practicing medicine isn't an exact science. You will run across guys who are unique. Crochet is much bigger and stronger than when he was in college.

Maybe he had the Tommy John surgery at some exact moment in time that coincided with him physically maturing that just uniquely made his arm God like so to speak.

Or he'll just crash and burn his next start or next year. It's that hard to know what's going to happen

Robert is hitting a HR like every 12 ABs . He oozes talent that he hasn't fully mastered yet. That could be from all the injuries or things I hesitate to mention like complacency due to already being a very rich young man. It's why you hate to think he's just not sure how to approach being so physically gifted with being so physically fragile. It's why that throw he didn't make yesterday bothers so many people, not just fans .but a guy like Ozzie Guillen and probably some of his team mates.

I know he wouldn't have got runner but it's good to show that you know how to approach and execute that kind of play. That ball was plenty high enough for Robert to back up then come in on it and get some momentum behind that throw. Grifol was blowing smoke up out asses that Robert didn't have time to position himself because the OF was playing shallow. Go watch that game winning sac fly . You likely have a stop watch on your phone. Start the stop watch when bat contacted the ball and stop it when it enters Robert's glove. It is easily 6 seconds. That's plenty of time to back up and time that very high fly enough to catch it coming in. Yes it was another meaningless game but if some of us question the effort or optics, and plenty are, then there is something wrong. If that was a playoff game or World Series game on the line there would have been a ton of national blowback on that play. It's a symptom of the type of play you don't like to see. It's not winning baseball.

Anyway that's off topic. Without the 2 major pieces moving there still might be 1 major piece coming back for Fedde but nothing all that exciting for the rest of whoever gets traded. But we have seen from last year's deadline that you can get some fairly good pieces from guys you don't expect to command it. The Grossman trade was a good example. The Sox got a pretty good AA reliever. Still the Sox need to have all hands on deck coordinating talent evaluators and sending out scouts to evaluate many players from many organizations. This is when you start to worry if they have the infrastruture necessary to evaluate massive amounts of players and execute what could be 8 or more players moved, then other moves to get the players received into the levels they belong and releasing the right players.

If Robert and Crochet are both moved this trade deadline can be a defining moment to evaluate Getz and the people he has surrounded himself with.

[GreenSox]

40 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Anyway that's off topic. Without the 2 major pieces moving there still might be 1 major piece coming back for Fedde but nothing all that exciting for the rest of whoever gets traded. But we have seen from last year's deadline that you can get some fairly good pieces from guys you don't expect to command it. The Grossman trade was a good example. The Sox got a pretty good AA reliever. Still the Sox need to have all hands on deck coordinating talent evaluators and sending out scouts to evaluate many players from many organizations. This is when you start to worry if they have the infrastruture necessary to evaluate massive amounts of players and execute what could be 8 or more players moved, then other moves to get the players received into the levels they belong and releasing the right players.

 

That's the thing.  Crochet, Robert and Fedde are the major pieces, and they'll get some rated prospects.
But you can also make progress with the 2nd and 3rd tier guys, but it's tough to manage all of that with 3 first-tier guys to trade.   The Cardinals last year got Orioles 18 and 20 for a rent of Flaherty and his 1.50+ WHIP.   You have to take those trades seriously.   Hahn, until 2023, made that mistake multiple times with 2nd/3rd tier players for Rule 5 guys and it got the Sox nowhere.

[Chick Mercedes]

On 7/2/2024 at 9:45 AM, ptatc said:

Medicine is an inexact science. We do as much research as possible but usually err on the side of caution as the other possibility is injury.

Crochet is definitely a player that never got hurt due to “overuse”. Now, I don’t mind shutting him down because the Sox aren’t playing for anything. But pitchers these days have less of a workload than they ever did. And get hurt more often. 

[southsider2k5]

3 minutes ago, Chick Mercedes said:

Crochet is definitely a player that never got hurt due to “overuse”. Now, I don’t mind shutting him down because the Sox aren’t playing for anything. But pitchers these days have less of a workload than they ever did. And get hurt more often. 

Pitchers today go 100% for a shorter period of time as opposed to the old days when they went 80-90% for long.  Pitchers today throw harder and with more movement than they ever had before. Pitchers of today have a way more intense workload.  It's way more than just pitch count or innings.

[ptatc]

12 minutes ago, Chick Mercedes said:

Crochet is definitely a player that never got hurt due to “overuse”. Now, I don’t mind shutting him down because the Sox aren’t playing for anything. But pitchers these days have less of a workload than they ever did. And get hurt more often. 

That's because they use maximum effort with every throw. They wear themselves out, no "pacing." 

They throw fewer innings but work harder. This is why they are getting injured at a higher rate but throw fewer innings.

Overuse is not just from volume. It can come from too much intensity as well. Overuse is just the tissues breaking down from too much force in a given area. It can even be caused by poor mechanics with an acceptable workload. Hence why injuries happen even with normal pitching.

Edited Thursday at 12:55 AM by ptatc