Snowy Demon Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/07/brewers-to-acquire-aaron-civale.html Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 2 minutes ago, Snowy Demon said: https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/07/brewers-to-acquire-aaron-civale.html Interesting. I imagine this doesn’t take them out of the Fedde sweepstakes. They need another SP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 Here's something that could change things a lot... https://fansided.com/posts/jackson-holliday-frustrated-proof-orioles-playing-with-fire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowy Demon Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Here's something that could change things a lot... https://fansided.com/posts/jackson-holliday-frustrated-proof-orioles-playing-with-fire Fansided and SI are not exactly good places to get information. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 7 hours ago, GreenSox said: It would be nice to see this trade market start to crack and open. Getz has a lot of guys he can move and every one is important; no giveaways or rule 5 guys (the guy we fit Texas was a rule 5 guy but we basically traded nothing for him). Trades on the Sox’ terms. But it’s a lot of work and the more time they allow themselves the better. For as much as the Orioles hug their best prospects, they also gave their #18 and #20 to the Cardinals to rent Flaherty and his 1.55 WHIP. There is value in the second and third tier. Unfortunately I think it won't be noteworthy except probably neither Robert or Crochet get traded at the deadline. Crochet is truly a unicorn. Like Ptatc said practicing medicine isn't an exact science. You will run across guys who are unique. Crochet is much bigger and stronger than when he was in college. Maybe he had the Tommy John surgery at some exact moment in time that coincided with him physically maturing that just uniquely made his arm God like so to speak. Or he'll just crash and burn his next start or next year. It's that hard to know what's going to happen Robert is hitting a HR like every 12 ABs . He oozes talent that he hasn't fully mastered yet. That could be from all the injuries or things I hesitate to mention like complacency due to already being a very rich young man. It's why you hate to think he's just not sure how to approach being so physically gifted with being so physically fragile. It's why that throw he didn't make yesterday bothers so many people, not just fans .but a guy like Ozzie Guillen and probably some of his team mates. I know he wouldn't have got runner but it's good to show that you know how to approach and execute that kind of play. That ball was plenty high enough for Robert to back up then come in on it and get some momentum behind that throw. Grifol was blowing smoke up out asses that Robert didn't have time to position himself because the OF was playing shallow. Go watch that game winning sac fly . You likely have a stop watch on your phone. Start the stop watch when bat contacted the ball and stop it when it enters Robert's glove. It is easily 6 seconds. That's plenty of time to back up and time that very high fly enough to catch it coming in. Yes it was another meaningless game but if some of us question the effort or optics, and plenty are, then there is something wrong. If that was a playoff game or World Series game on the line there would have been a ton of national blowback on that play. It's a symptom of the type of play you don't like to see. It's not winning baseball. Anyway that's off topic. Without the 2 major pieces moving there still might be 1 major piece coming back for Fedde but nothing all that exciting for the rest of whoever gets traded. But we have seen from last year's deadline that you can get some fairly good pieces from guys you don't expect to command it. The Grossman trade was a good example. The Sox got a pretty good AA reliever. Still the Sox need to have all hands on deck coordinating talent evaluators and sending out scouts to evaluate many players from many organizations. This is when you start to worry if they have the infrastruture necessary to evaluate massive amounts of players and execute what could be 8 or more players moved, then other moves to get the players received into the levels they belong and releasing the right players. If Robert and Crochet are both moved this trade deadline can be a defining moment to evaluate Getz and the people he has surrounded himself with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 40 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Anyway that's off topic. Without the 2 major pieces moving there still might be 1 major piece coming back for Fedde but nothing all that exciting for the rest of whoever gets traded. But we have seen from last year's deadline that you can get some fairly good pieces from guys you don't expect to command it. The Grossman trade was a good example. The Sox got a pretty good AA reliever. Still the Sox need to have all hands on deck coordinating talent evaluators and sending out scouts to evaluate many players from many organizations. This is when you start to worry if they have the infrastruture necessary to evaluate massive amounts of players and execute what could be 8 or more players moved, then other moves to get the players received into the levels they belong and releasing the right players. That's the thing. Crochet, Robert and Fedde are the major pieces, and they'll get some rated prospects. But you can also make progress with the 2nd and 3rd tier guys, but it's tough to manage all of that with 3 first-tier guys to trade. The Cardinals last year got Orioles 18 and 20 for a rent of Flaherty and his 1.50+ WHIP. You have to take those trades seriously. Hahn, until 2023, made that mistake multiple times with 2nd/3rd tier players for Rule 5 guys and it got the Sox nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Mercedes Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 On 7/2/2024 at 9:45 AM, ptatc said: Medicine is an inexact science. We do as much research as possible but usually err on the side of caution as the other possibility is injury. Crochet is definitely a player that never got hurt due to “overuse”. Now, I don’t mind shutting him down because the Sox aren’t playing for anything. But pitchers these days have less of a workload than they ever did. And get hurt more often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 3 minutes ago, Chick Mercedes said: Crochet is definitely a player that never got hurt due to “overuse”. Now, I don’t mind shutting him down because the Sox aren’t playing for anything. But pitchers these days have less of a workload than they ever did. And get hurt more often. Pitchers today go 100% for a shorter period of time as opposed to the old days when they went 80-90% for long. Pitchers today throw harder and with more movement than they ever had before. Pitchers of today have a way more intense workload. It's way more than just pitch count or innings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Chick Mercedes said: Crochet is definitely a player that never got hurt due to “overuse”. Now, I don’t mind shutting him down because the Sox aren’t playing for anything. But pitchers these days have less of a workload than they ever did. And get hurt more often. That's because they use maximum effort with every throw. They wear themselves out, no "pacing." They throw fewer innings but work harder. This is why they are getting injured at a higher rate but throw fewer innings. Overuse is not just from volume. It can come from too much intensity as well. Overuse is just the tissues breaking down from too much force in a given area. It can even be caused by poor mechanics with an acceptable workload. Hence why injuries happen even with normal pitching. Edited July 4 by ptatc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted July 11 Author Share Posted July 11 Crochet at #1 and Fedde up to #7 in fWAR out of all AL pitchers. Looks like the trade value for both these guys is higher than I could have even imagined back in April when I started this thread. Also noteworthy that none of the top 10 AL pitchers outside of these two are trade candidates this July so the Sox hold the keys to the two top starting pitchers available on the trade market this month. What’s your move @Rolle Tide @Snowy Demon ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 34 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Crochet at #1 and Fedde up to #7 in fWAR out of all AL pitchers. Looks like the trade value for both these guys is higher than I could have even imagined back in April when I started this thread. Also noteworthy that none of the top 10 AL pitchers outside of these two are trade candidates this July so the Sox hold the keys to the two top starting pitchers available on the trade market this month. What’s your move @Rolle Tide @Snowy Demon ? 3 words. Blue Light Special Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolle Tide Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 (edited) 7 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Crochet at #1 and Fedde up to #7 in fWAR out of all AL pitchers. Looks like the trade value for both these guys is higher than I could have even imagined back in April when I started this thread. Also noteworthy that none of the top 10 AL pitchers outside of these two are trade candidates this July so the Sox hold the keys to the two top starting pitchers available on the trade market this month. What’s your move @Rolle Tide @Snowy Demon ? I’m in for Fedde in some package like was discussed here that includes Beavers and a second player. That player starts with Bradfield our current #4-#30 and Getz can have his choice, I’d throw in a DSL kid to sweeten the pot. If I can add something marginal and bring Brebbia or Kopech. Maybe Pham, Baulmer I’d do it. …. For Crochet …. I know he’s worth a lot. I just don’t think he’s a good fit for the Orioles due to price and availability. Plus the injury concerns. I think some GM will drop his pants but I don’t expect it to be Mike Elias. Edited July 11 by Rolle Tide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted July 11 Author Share Posted July 11 39 minutes ago, Rolle Tide said: I’m in for Fedde in some package like was discussed here that includes Beavers and a second player. That player starts with Bradfield our current #4-#30 and Getz can have his choice, I’d throw in a DSL kid to sweeten the pot. If I can add something marginal and bring Brebbia or Kopech. Maybe Pham, Baulmer I’d do it. …. For Crochet …. I know he’s worth a lot. I just don’t think he’s a good fit for the Orioles due to price and availability. Plus the injury concerns. I think some GM will drop his pants but I don’t expect it to be Mike Elias. Seems reasonable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 A special shout out to the Cubs for kicking the s%*# out of the Orioles and hopefully helping this process along a bit. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted July 12 Author Share Posted July 12 5 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: A special shout out to the Cubs for kicking the s%*# out of the Orioles and hopefully helping this process along a bit. Yea, that was an absolutely embarrassing series by the Orioles. Their pitching is unraveling as expected. They’re going to be forced into trading some of those precious prospects for significant pitching help if they stand any chance of making a serious postseason run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 3 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Yea, that was an absolutely embarrassing series by the Orioles. Their pitching is unraveling as expected. They’re going to be forced into trading some of those precious prospects for significant pitching help if they stand any chance of making a serious postseason run. Personally I just hope this doesn't kick start the Cubs who were D.O.A. a week ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said: Personally I just hope this doesn't kick start the Cubs who were D.O.A. a week ago. Eh, it helps the Sox though if the Cubs play themselves out of being sellers. Especially now that Belly is out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 Was checking out the Mets, their fans want Crochet for some reason I just don't see the fit, someone explain to me why all their top prospects are 5'7 to 5'9 guys, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 10 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: Personally I just hope this doesn't kick start the Cubs who were D.O.A. a week ago. I'm personally OK with the Cubs springing to life until July 31, then collapsing again. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 10 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: Personally I just hope this doesn't kick start the Cubs who were D.O.A. a week ago. I do. Keep their players off the market 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 On 7/11/2024 at 9:05 AM, southsider2k5 said: 3 words. Blue Light Special I worked for Kmart one summer....thanks for bringing up such an awful memory. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 9 hours ago, joejoesox said: Was checking out the Mets, their fans want Crochet for some reason I just don't see the fit, someone explain to me why all their top prospects are 5'7 to 5'9 guys, lol Personally, I like Ryan Clifford a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 14 Share Posted July 14 On 6/25/2024 at 3:11 PM, WestEddy said: Keuchel was for cash considerations. He gawn already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 All right the draft is over, let's get to dealing! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Let's goooooooooooo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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