baseball_gal_aly Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 (edited) 46 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Agreed. The minors appear to be flush with arms. Always need more and can never have enough but the Sox have to be top 7 for minor league pitching depth right now. The positional player depth is a different discussion altogether and that’s why I’m hoping they focus on bats in the July draft, especially if they go with pitching again at #5. Not only that, but their top 3 position prospects in Montgomery/Quero/Ramos are flirting with Mendoza.....in the minors. Montgomery has a .392 SLG. In Charlotte. Quero has a .377 SLG in Birmingham Ramos had a .323 SLG in the minors and a .239 SLG in the majors All of them are barely hitting over .200. So it's not like they're getting tons of XBH. Edited May 31 by baseball_gal_aly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted May 31 Author Share Posted May 31 44 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Ok you got me! They don’t give the exact number typically but they do state whether the pitcher has a limitation. Have the Sox limited Garrett this season or hinted at a future limitation as you continue to state is so obvious? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted May 31 Author Share Posted May 31 32 minutes ago, baseball_gal_aly said: Not only that, but their top 3 position prospects in Montgomery/Quero/Ramos are flirting with Mendoza.....in the minors. Montgomery has a .392 SLG. In Charlotte. Quero has a .377 SLG in Birmingham Ramos had a .323 SLG in the minors and a .239 SLG in the majors All of them are barely hitting over .200. So it's not like they're getting tons of XBH. True but on the flip side Gonzalez has an .806 OPS, Wolkow is at 1.145, and Baldwin is hitting .363! So there are some positives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baseball_gal_aly Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 14 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: True but on the flip side Gonzalez has an .806 OPS, Wolkow is at 1.145, and Baldwin is hitting .363! So there are some positives. Doesn't Wolkow have a ridiculously high K%? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted May 31 Author Share Posted May 31 4 minutes ago, baseball_gal_aly said: Doesn't Wolkow have a ridiculously high K%? 33.9%. Definitely a little higher than you’d like to see but if he maintains an OPS > 1.000 I don’t care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 10 minutes ago, baseball_gal_aly said: Doesn't Wolkow have a ridiculously high K%? He opened with 11k in his first 17 PAs, since then he has 9 in 42 PAs, along with 7 walks. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johno Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 If the Sox were to trade Fedde or Kopeck in the next few days, can they ask for more talent being these players would be on their new team longer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 Just now, Johno said: If the Sox were to trade Fedde or Kopeck in the next few days, can they ask for more talent being these players would be on their new team longer? They can ask. Would you give up more for a month or two? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 3 minutes ago, Johno said: If the Sox were to trade Fedde or Kopeck in the next few days, can they ask for more talent being these players would be on their new team longer? If they wanted Fedde or Kopech sooner, they wouldn't really be paying a premium for an extra 6 weeks of production, as much as paying the premium to get the Sox to not wait for the market to develop. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotHahn Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 1 hour ago, baseball_gal_aly said: Doesn't Wolkow have a ridiculously high K%? Wolkow is young, 18. Not a finished project. Would expect a high K% at that age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 8 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I think Schultz absolutely pitches in Chicago in 2025. I’m sure you’re right, especially since he’s already at AA. I just don’t like calling him up next year (at least early) if he still needs to build up innings. This team ain’t competing in 2025 and he’s still young enough to spend another season in the minors. I obviously won’t be mad if I get to watch him pitch in the majors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 7 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: It doesn’t give an exact number of innings for the limitation within the article but the GM and manager as well as Buehler himself acknowledge that they delayed the start to his season in order to reduce innings and workload. So yea, clearly they are limiting his usage. Did the Sox do that with Crochet? Where is it even mentioned that they have a plan for him to make anything less than 30 starts this season if he stays healthy? He leads the team in innings pitched. I don’t see any restrictions thru the first two months of the season. I don’t know if you’re just trolling or what but one situation there is a clear limitation on the player’s workload that his season as stated by the player and staff as well as the team’s approach to the start of the season with said player whereas the other there certainly doesn’t seem to be one. Let’s be clear here. The Dodgers are a world class organization and the Sox are not. Just because the Sox may be handling Crochet a certain way doesn’t mean it’s right. I personally think Crochet should be handled more similar to Schultz (not as conservative though), but I’m obviously no pitching expert. I just know muscles need be conditioned over time for massive changes in usage and pretending that isn’t case will lead to disastrous outcomes 9 times out of 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said: Let’s be clear here. The Dodgers are a world class organization and the Sox are not. Just because the Sox may be handling Crochet a certain way doesn’t mean it’s right. I personally think Crochet should be handled more similar to Schultz (not as conservative though), but I’m obviously no pitching expert. I just know muscles need be conditioned over time for massive changes in usage and pretending that isn’t case will lead to disastrous outcomes 9 times out of 10. Just like Rodon second half of 2021. They knew they weren't even going to the QO. Here he's team property into the future and needs to be protected. Arguably the second or third most important cuurent asset after Robert and Montgomery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted June 1 Author Share Posted June 1 Garrett’s arm hasn’t fallen off yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted June 5 Author Share Posted June 5 But I was told nobody wanted Crochet this season.. 😁 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 Passan suggesting everyone on the big league roster is available, let's fucking go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 1 hour ago, joejoesox said: Passan suggesting everyone on the big league roster is available, let's fucking go As they should be. At least Getz has a clue here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted June 5 Share Posted June 5 1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said: As they should be. At least Getz has a clue here. had no idea that Crochet is an UFA after 2026, if someone is offering you a nice return right now, take that s%*# and run Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted June 8 Author Share Posted June 8 Crochet already up to 2.7 bWAR, 2.3 fWAR. Approaching Cease 2023 WAR levels and we’re only a week into June! With 2.5 seasons of super cheap control remaining, some might argue his trade value isn’t much less than Cease’s trade value last offseason. Really curious to see how his market shapes up as we near the trade deadline next month. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted June 8 Author Share Posted June 8 https://twitter.com/MLBDeadlineNews/status/1797650395491373406 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 So naive I just want to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted June 8 Author Share Posted June 8 26 minutes ago, pcq said: So naive I just want to win. That’s why Getz needs to hit a home run on this and Robert trades Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 A little off-topic, but an interesting article from Fangraphs about pitchers who had high percentages of their team's wins, and where Crochet and Fedde fall in, historically. https://blogs.fangraphs.com/garrett-crochet-and-erick-fedde-are-finding-wins-in-unlikely-places/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted June 14 Author Share Posted June 14 Garrett up to 3.1 bWAR and 2.6 fWAR (#3 in mlb for pitchers). Perhaps I underestimated the trade value of Crochet and Fedde back in April within my original post even though @WhiteSox2023 only thinks I overvalue the trade value of Sox players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 36 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Garrett up to 3.1 bWAR and 2.6 fWAR (#3 in mlb for pitchers). Perhaps I underestimated the trade value of Crochet and Fedde back in April within my original post even though @WhiteSox2023 only thinks I overvalue the trade value of Sox players. They definitely have trade value. The problem is that the old strategy of tanking and selling off good players is no longer as strong as it once was. The changes to the draft have weakened tanking and teams are no longer willing to give up their top prospects for the top trade deadline targets. Chances are pretty high that the prospects we get back for Crochet and Fedde aren’t ever even as good as them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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