Chicago White Sox Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 15 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: We need so many position players right now, especially ones with superstar tops. Yup, Getz needs to go after high ceiling bats if he moves Robert or Crochet (and has to hit big time). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 6 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: If his price today was cheap, we would have already resigned him. The kid is two years and four months from free agency. If he has made it this far without extending, I would bet money he has no intention of doing so right now. If he has any sense at all, he is looking at the market for pitching and not being willing to give away free agent years unless he gets a lot more money in the next two years, plus some decent money in his free agent years. If Tyler Glasnow is a $27.5 million pitcher for 5 years, Garrett has to be thinking the same thing of himself. Given his injury issue - I do understand the concept of - get a big bag of money for your first real payday now…guarantee yourself generational wealth for life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 13 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said: Given his injury issue - I do understand the concept of - get a big bag of money for your first real payday now…guarantee yourself generational wealth for life. Sure, but he could have done that at any point for years now and didn't. And now he is only a couple of years away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 Just now, southsider2k5 said: Sure, but he could have done that at any point for years now and didn't. And now he is only a couple of years away I don’t think he was going to get paid a bunch over last couple years - he has barely pitched. Given what he has done this year someone would give him something north of 75M for his arb years plus two years. If you are still healthy - than follow that up with a Rodon like deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 12 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said: I don’t think he was going to get paid a bunch over last couple years - he has barely pitched. Given what he has done this year someone would give him something north of 75M for his arb years plus two years. If you are still healthy - than follow that up with a Rodon like deal. 4/75 would probably be in the ballpark of MV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 11 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Regarding Crochet, I would love to extend him if at all possible. If that’s not possible, then we should 100% trade him at some point. I’m still very skeptical that someone will give up a massive haul for him at this deadline for reasons stated repeatedly, but I truly hope I’m proven wrong. If Getz trades Robert, Crochet, & Fedde, he could quickly add the positional talent needed to fix this rebuild in a couple of years. Kopech’s numbers suck but I’m certain there will be teams interested in him. Should also be get some decent lottery tickets for Pham, DeJong, Flexen, & Banks. This may be the most exciting deadline we’ve had in franchise history. how many positional starters though, right now? Montgomery, likely. Not even sure the next guy in term of highest POTENTIAL...some lists say Ramos, but others might argue Zavala. Both are far from "pencil that name into the 2027-28 line-up" status. Gonzalez still looks as close to a plus utility guy without great speed or power than a frontline player. Quero would probably be #2 as he's a catcher. Wolkow based on power potential? Sosa, Colas, both seem far from being good enough, at least at the present moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 2 hours ago, caulfield12 said: how many positional starters though, right now? Montgomery, likely. Not even sure the next guy in term of highest POTENTIAL...some lists say Ramos, but others might argue Zavala. Both are far from "pencil that name into the 2027-28 line-up" status. Gonzalez still looks as close to a plus utility guy without great speed or power than a frontline player. Quero would probably be #2 as he's a catcher. Wolkow based on power potential? Sosa, Colas, both seem far from being good enough, at least at the present moment. I think Montgomery and Quero will be starters. Ramos & Gonzalez both have shots to be them as well. Hard to rule out Baldwin at this time based on his numbers alone. I’m not really going to comment on the others because you can’t really plan for non-elite prospects below AA and most of the higher ceiling guys down there have a lot to work ok there. But by trading the three guys I mentioned, you should be able to get six 50 FV (even there is a serious offer for Crochet) and above prospects and hopefully many of them are positional guys. There is a path to build something here, but Getz has to hit no doubt home runs or else he should hold Robert & Crochet until the offseason. Fedde will never be worth more than now and needs to be dealt this deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveno89 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 19 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: If his price today was cheap, we would have already resigned him. The kid is two years and four months from free agency. If he has made it this far without extending, I would bet money he has no intention of doing so right now. If he has any sense at all, he is looking at the market for pitching and not being willing to give away free agent years unless he gets a lot more money in the next two years, plus some decent money in his free agent years. If Tyler Glasnow is a $27.5 million pitcher for 5 years, Garrett has to be thinking the same thing of himself. Perhaps, but the track record is still really short Sox should approach him about an extension and if the ask is reasonable a deal should get done 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 1 minute ago, steveno89 said: Perhaps, but the track record is still really short Sox should approach him about an extension and if the ask is reasonable a deal should get done I can't see a scenario where they haven't done exactly that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 30 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: I can't see a scenario where they haven't done exactly that. I could actually see Jerry being spooked about contract extensions with young players due to Eloy, Moncada and Robert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 5 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: I could actually see Jerry being spooked about contract extensions with young players due to Eloy, Moncada and Robert. Sure, but more spooked when he sees Ohtani going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 13 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Sure, but more spooked when he sees Ohtani going on. "John Danks didn't work out so no" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46DidIt Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 14 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: especially ones with superstar tops. Those are pretty dope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 3 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Sure, but more spooked when he sees Ohtani going on. Or Soto getting $655 million when Profar is outproducing what Juan and did for SD last year for peanuts comparatively. Likely becomes All Star and goes back home to Arlington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 13 Share Posted June 13 3 hours ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: I could actually see Jerry being spooked about contract extensions with young players due to Eloy, Moncada and Robert. And Lynn to a lesser extent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjp1684 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 2 hours ago, caulfield12 said: And at least close to average fielding...not sure what his defensive fWAR or other metrics say. To me, that's got to be more valuable than someone like Cavan Biggio who has been struggling for the last 2-3 seasons on offense (ofc, could say same about Paul). He would have a heck of a lot more RBIs if we would get runners on base for all of his XBHs. 50% of his hits are XBHs. As long as he stays at .230-.240 or better, a contender who loses a middle IF is going to want him. I like having him on the Sox since he is an ISU alum, but no idea if he would re-sign here next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 13 hours ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: I could actually see Jerry being spooked about contract extensions with young players due to Eloy, Moncada and Robert. Which is terrifying. He won’t go over $100M. He won’t go more than 4 yrs for pitchers. Throw in no extensions for young players… they aren’t signing anyone or anything significant ever again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 2 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said: Which is terrifying. He won’t go over $100M. He won’t go more than 4 yrs for pitchers. Throw in no extensions for young players… they aren’t signing anyone or anything significant ever again. Danks is still the last four year deal, yes? Before that, Buehrle...then Sale/Q extensions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baseball_gal_aly Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 17 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Danks is still the last four year deal, yes? Before that, Buehrle...then Sale/Q extensions. Danks was 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Please don’t trade Crochet and Robert, they need to build around those two guys. You never know what you’re going to get in return, look at the Sale trade, how did that work out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zisk Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 On 6/12/2024 at 3:55 PM, southsider2k5 said: If his price today was cheap, we would have already resigned him. The kid is two years and four months from free agency. If he has made it this far without extending, I would bet money he has no intention of doing so right now. If he has any sense at all, he is looking at the market for pitching and not being willing to give away free agent years unless he gets a lot more money in the next two years, plus some decent money in his free agent years. If Tyler Glasnow is a $27.5 million pitcher for 5 years, Garrett has to be thinking the same thing of himself. I meant his asking price in a trade. Of course, if JR sold the team maybe we could have nice things and extend his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomtom Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Last night the Mariner broadcasters were saying that any team who trades for Crochet will simply add him to their bullpen because he is already close to his innings limit for this year. That, of course, will give teams a reason to justify lowering his trade value. I say if he needs to limit his innings, keep him and make him the Sox closer the rest of the year. Let the powers that be see what a difference a dominant closer can make. The Sox still have some decent Young starters without Crochet. Then, bring Crochet back next year as your #1 and see what happens. (P.S.) If JR is willing to spend $, they could have a good turnaround season next year. They can still add to their minor lesagues by trading Jiminez, Robert, etc....Keep Crochet! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 Crochet belongs in the top 5 arms in the game conversation. The way he spots his fastball is unreal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 35 minutes ago, Tomtom said: Last night the Mariner broadcasters were saying that any team who trades for Crochet will simply add him to their bullpen because he is already close to his innings limit for this year. That, of course, will give teams a reason to justify lowering his trade value. I say if he needs to limit his innings, keep him and make him the Sox closer the rest of the year. Let the powers that be see what a difference a dominant closer can make. The Sox still have some decent Young starters without Crochet. Then, bring Crochet back next year as your #1 and see what happens. (P.S.) If JR is willing to spend $, they could have a good turnaround season next year. They can still add to their minor lesagues by trading Jiminez, Robert, etc....Keep Crochet! There's ZERO reason to trade crochet for anything but a complete kings ransom. He's showing, with his age and contract, that he's one of the 5 most valuable pieces in the game imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johno Posted June 14 Share Posted June 14 38 minutes ago, Tomtom said: Last night the Mariner broadcasters were saying that any team who trades for Crochet will simply add him to their bullpen because he is already close to his innings limit for this year. That, of course, will give teams a reason to justify lowering his trade value. I say if he needs to limit his innings, keep him and make him the Sox closer the rest of the year. Let the powers that be see what a difference a dominant closer can make. The Sox still have some decent Young starters without Crochet. Then, bring Crochet back next year as your #1 and see what happens. (P.S.) If JR is willing to spend $, they could have a good turnaround season next year. They can still add to their minor lesagues by trading Jiminez, Robert, etc....Keep Crochet! I couldn’t disagree with this more, Crochet has another 2 years under contract. Get a massive hall on this guy if you trade him!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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