Tony Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 1 hour ago, Bob Sacamano said: Hopefully. But whether they are actually good contributors is another discussion. And that's kind of the key. It all has to work together. I'm probably wrong on this, I get that...but I really believe if Andrew Vaughn got drafted by, say the Brewers, he's a much better hitter in the Majors than he is today. Development happens in both the minor and major league levels. And while the drafts have seemingly been better under Mike Shirley (jury still very much out on that) it doesn't mean it's going to translate at the ML Level. I need to see that first, on a regular basis, before I believe the Sox have turned any sort of corner. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 39 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: You mean the guy with an OPS 120 points higher than anyone on the Sox or with 5.2fWAR more than the entire position player roster combined, including double any one single players fWAR this year? Yeah, what we would ever do with that kind of a failure. And Cleveland has Jose Ramirez. 9 fWAR in 2.5 season with the twins (~3.6 fWAR per season on average). Very good but he’s not a superstar. And Guardians have never signed a star free agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 5 minutes ago, Tony said: And that's kind of the key. It all has to work together. I'm probably wrong on this, I get that...but I really believe if Andrew Vaughn got drafted by, say the Brewers, he's a much better hitter in the Majors than he is today. Development happens in both the minor and major league levels. And while the drafts have seemingly been better under Mike Shirley (jury still very much out on that) it doesn't mean it's going to translate at the ML Level. I need to see that first, on a regular basis, before I believe the Sox have turned any sort of corner. I agree. The jury is still out on Shirley. Just like the jury is still out on Getz even though many already have him pinned as worst GM in mlb. The early returns on Shirley drafts are encouraging though. I would think we could all agree on that at least? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 14 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I’d kill for an actual rumor right about now. Let's start one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 4 minutes ago, JoeC said: Let's start one. Chatting w/NL scout last night. He floated the following for the Pirates to get a bat. (Note: This isn't on the table. Just 1 take on value/trade balance.) Pirates get: Luis Robert Jr. White Sox get: Termarr Johnson, Lonnie White Jr. and Hunter Barco. Would you do it? I would. — Jason Mackey (@JMackeyPG) June 24, 2024 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Tim Anderson was that guy, at least until whatever happened after TLR got here. Anderson never had that level of OBP. it's not that unusual for a player to have a few good years and then head south. But when you had 2 glaring holes even when winning (2b and RF) and no depth should something bad happen, it gets magnified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 4 minutes ago, WestEddy said: I only want to trade with Pittsburgh if it involves ending up with a Yaz - Maldonado tandem behind the plate. Because some of us just want to watch the world burn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 3 minutes ago, WestEddy said: I have watched Termarr Johnson play A LOT. He walks. That is his only skill. He was supposed to be a 70 hitter. Thus far he is nowhere near that. He's 2b only and subpar there. You need an aircraft carrier in return for Robert, not a multitude of questionable guys. Why make this trade when you can just draft JJ Wetherholt? Hard. Pass. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Blogger makes up Crochet to Mets proposal Quote New York Mets get LHP Garrett Crochet Chicago White Sox get C Kevin Parada OF Drew Gilbert RHP Mike Vasil https://fansided.com/posts/2-trades-to-save-mets-playoff-hopes-before-it-s-too-late Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 1 minute ago, Timmy U said: I have watched Termarr Johnson play A LOT. He walks. That is his only skill. He was supposed to be a 70 hitter. Thus far he is nowhere near that. He's 2b only and subpar there. You need an aircraft carrier in return for Robert, not a multitude of questionable guys. Why make this trade when you can just draft JJ Wetherholt? Hard. Pass. Unfortunately, idiot blogger trade proposals are probably all that will be bouncing around out there at least until after the draft. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 23 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: 9 fWAR in 2.5 season with the twins (~3.6 fWAR per season on average). Very good but he’s not a superstar. And Guardians have never signed a star free agent. If he isn't a guy, then we are in real trouble, because Colson Montgomery hasn't shown anything near Carlos Correa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 31 minutes ago, Tony said: And that's kind of the key. It all has to work together. I'm probably wrong on this, I get that...but I really believe if Andrew Vaughn got drafted by, say the Brewers, he's a much better hitter in the Majors than he is today. Development happens in both the minor and major league levels. And while the drafts have seemingly been better under Mike Shirley (jury still very much out on that) it doesn't mean it's going to translate at the ML Level. I need to see that first, on a regular basis, before I believe the Sox have turned any sort of corner. And instead of figuring that out, we are playing the geriatric crew for some reason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Add another name to the trade deadline rumor mill. The #Phillies front office is scouting flame-throwing White Sox closer Michael Kopech.#RingTheBell ✍️@MattDargan79 https://t.co/HqAjDJ7oY9 — PHILLIES TBOH (@FS_TBOH) June 23, 2024 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 Yes another Fedde D’Backs trade hypothetical ? D’Backs get: Erick Fedde White Sox get: Deyvison De Los Santos (14th RK prospect), Blaze Alexander, Spencer Giesting Santos is a bonafide power slugger at 1B/3B 21/60 on .349/.401/.667/1.068 in 258 ABs 1/2#WhiteSox #DBacks https://t.co/kXOUvAVTsv — ???? ? (@StonecoldSxnick) June 23, 2024 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 14 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Blogger makes up Crochet to Mets proposal https://fansided.com/posts/2-trades-to-save-mets-playoff-hopes-before-it-s-too-late That feels about right. I'd try to swap Parada and Vasil for one guy higher though and make it a 2-1. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey21 Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 14 minutes ago, WestEddy said: White Sox could have simply taken De Los Santos in the Rule 5 draft in the offseason, looking at his number think they’re bummed they passed on him? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 31 minutes ago, Timmy U said: I have watched Termarr Johnson play A LOT. He walks. That is his only skill. He was supposed to be a 70 hitter. Thus far he is nowhere near that. He's 2b only and subpar there. You need an aircraft carrier in return for Robert, not a multitude of questionable guys. Why make this trade when you can just draft JJ Wetherholt? Hard. Pass. It’s a horrible proposal and Pirates fan are saying it’s way too much…lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt574 Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 5 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: You think if the Sox draft Jac next month it’s going to take 5+ years for him to be an MLB contributor? Why? And you don’t need a lineup full of stars. Cleveland’s lineup is built around Jose Ramirez and 2018 5th round pick Steven Kwan. Never said that. Jac is one guy. Need a lot more than that, even if they're not all "stars." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 5 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: It’s a horrible proposal and Pirates fan are saying it’s way too much…lol. Yeah the pirates just couldnt get a robert deal done. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt574 Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 3 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Simple question. Do you think a draftee like Jac Caglianone won’t be an MLB contributor until 2029 at the earliest? That’s 5+ years from next months draft. No one said that. Jac is one guy. We need multiples. We need several years of strong position player draftees at this point. For each, you're likely looking at a couple years before they're MLB ready, and another year or two to get some MLB experience under their belt. (Not many playoff teams led by rookies.) Best hope is to use a Robert, Crochet, and/or Fedde trade to jump start that some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 30 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: That feels about right. I'd try to swap Parada and Vasil for one guy higher though and make it a 2-1. Gilbert and Clifford 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 (edited) 49 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Blogger makes up Crochet to Mets proposal https://fansided.com/posts/2-trades-to-save-mets-playoff-hopes-before-it-s-too-late That's a big negatory. Cease only yielded 1 bottom half top 100, so I guess that's what we can expect. But I just don't care for those players. I don't really care about top 100 either, given that we aren't going to get an elite prospect anyway, It's asking a lot, but I'd like the Sox to be on top of some of these farm systems and find the players who will be top 100 this time next year. The other team will be more amenable, will give up more of them, and they will have a "who could have known" excuse ready-made, which they will hopefully need. Edited June 24 by GreenSox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 23 minutes ago, Rey21 said: White Sox could have simply taken De Los Santos in the Rule 5 draft in the offseason, looking at his number think they’re bummed they passed on him? His 2023 numbers at AA didn't look like he was a break-out in the majors candidate, and besides, he was blocked by Yoan and Vaughn. oops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt574 Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tony said: And that's kind of the key. It all has to work together. I'm probably wrong on this, I get that...but I really believe if Andrew Vaughn got drafted by, say the Brewers, he's a much better hitter in the Majors than he is today. Development happens in both the minor and major league levels. And while the drafts have seemingly been better under Mike Shirley (jury still very much out on that) it doesn't mean it's going to translate at the ML Level. I need to see that first, on a regular basis, before I believe the Sox have turned any sort of corner. Shirley seems like an improvement and has a good knack for spotting first round talent, but we still have a ways to go from a depth standpoint. Need to hit on a few later picks too. 2019 - pretty sparse after Vaughn, Thomas and Dahlquist have struggled 2020 - pretty sparse after Crochet, Kelley has struggled 2021 - pretty sparse after Montgomery though it's obviously early 2022 - after Schultz, you have Cannon and not much else at this point though it's early 2023 - after Gonzalez, it's obviously early, but hopefully Taylor develops Edited June 24 by bighurt574 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted June 24 Share Posted June 24 56 minutes ago, Timmy U said: I have watched Termarr Johnson play A LOT. He walks. That is his only skill. He was supposed to be a 70 hitter. Thus far he is nowhere near that. He's 2b only and subpar there. You need an aircraft carrier in return for Robert, not a multitude of questionable guys. Why make this trade when you can just draft JJ Wetherholt? Hard. Pass. Law concurs in your evaluation. Pushed him out of his June top 50. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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