SoCalChiSox Posted June 20, 2024 Share Posted June 20, 2024 On 6/20/2024 at 2:05 AM, WhiteSox2023 said: Likelihood of the Orioles making that trade? 0.1% is probably too high. Expand BTV has Fedde at 11.6m SV (some here have suggested it should be higher) and Banks at 12.9. That's about 23-24m SV..I don't know the current Kjerstad projection but it's prolly somewhere in that area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted June 20, 2024 Share Posted June 20, 2024 (edited) On 6/20/2024 at 2:17 AM, SoCalChiSox said: BTV has Fedde at 11.6m SV (some here have suggested it should be higher) and Banks at 12.9. That's about 23-24m SV..I don't know the current Kjerstad projection but it's prolly somewhere in that area. Expand Kjerstad would be worth a lot more than $23M to $24M in expected surplus value. BTV is way too low on Fedde, especially if they think he is somehow less valuable than Tanner Banks. Edited June 20, 2024 by Chicago White Sox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 20, 2024 Share Posted June 20, 2024 On 6/20/2024 at 2:17 AM, SoCalChiSox said: BTV has Fedde at 11.6m SV (some here have suggested it should be higher) and Banks at 12.9. That's about 23-24m SV..I don't know the current Kjerstad projection but it's prolly somewhere in that area. Expand Look I know those numbers exist, but if they weren't willing to give him in a Cease deal, there is zero chance it happens in a Fedde deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted June 20, 2024 Share Posted June 20, 2024 On 6/20/2024 at 2:20 AM, Chicago White Sox said: Kjerstad would be worth a lot more than $23M to $24M in expected surplus value. BTV is way too low on Fedde, especially if they think he is somehow less valuable than Tanner Banks. Expand I'd be very surprised if Kjerstads SV was significantly higher than 24m given defensive concerns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted June 20, 2024 Share Posted June 20, 2024 (edited) On 6/20/2024 at 2:17 AM, SoCalChiSox said: BTV has Fedde at 11.6m SV (some here have suggested it should be higher) and Banks at 12.9. That's about 23-24m SV..I don't know the current Kjerstad projection but it's prolly somewhere in that area. Expand Use all the BS trade value calculators you want. Elias isn’t giving up Kjerstad for Fedde and Banks. This is laughable. Kjerstad, the #21 prospect in the MLB. Not gonna happen. Never gonna happen. Like SS2K5 said, the Sox couldn’t even get a prospect rated that high in the Cease trade. Edited June 20, 2024 by WhiteSox2023 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 22, 2024 Share Posted June 22, 2024 I love when people write stories without knowing their history. https://fansided.com/posts/mlb-rumors-pirates-eloy-jimenez-white-sox-trade 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted June 22, 2024 Share Posted June 22, 2024 On 6/22/2024 at 6:36 PM, southsider2k5 said: I love when people write stories without knowing their history. https://fansided.com/posts/mlb-rumors-pirates-eloy-jimenez-white-sox-trade Expand We’ll somehow end up with a Moldy-Yaz combo behind the plate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Squirmin' for Yermin Posted June 23, 2024 Share Posted June 23, 2024 On 6/23/2024 at 2:07 PM, DirtySox said: Expand Seems like Jimbo may has heard something? Who would this theoretically even be for? Seems like for Fedde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted June 23, 2024 Share Posted June 23, 2024 On 6/23/2024 at 2:24 PM, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Seems like Jimbo may has heard something? Who would this theoretically even be for? Seems like for Fedde Expand Mike Boeve is a super polarizing player. 60 hit 40 power 40 speed 40 arm. Tough profile for a regular as his entire value is tied to babip. People who criticize Jacob Gonzalez’s impact haven’t seen nothing yet. I mean, if they keep deadening the ball, I suppose the profile plays better as an extreme contact guy. I just hate watching station to station, all singles offense. But with that good of a hit tool, you could imagine him figuring out a way to hit 20 HR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted June 23, 2024 Share Posted June 23, 2024 (edited) On 6/23/2024 at 4:02 PM, Timmy U said: Mike Boeve is a super polarizing player. 60 hit 40 power 40 speed 40 arm. Tough profile for a regular as his entire value is tied to babip. People who criticize Jacob Gonzalez’s impact haven’t seen nothing yet. I mean, if they keep deadening the ball, I suppose the profile plays better as an extreme contact guy. I just hate watching station to station, all singles offense. But with that good of a hit tool, you could imagine him figuring out a way to hit 20 HR. Expand Ugh...sell Fedde for power. Have they not figured out that there's only so much a limpdick style offense can do? Fedde should be in a package for Kjerstad. Edited June 23, 2024 by SoCalChiSox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 23, 2024 Share Posted June 23, 2024 On 6/23/2024 at 4:14 PM, SoCalChiSox said: Ugh...sell Fedde for power. Have they not figured out that there's only so much a limpdick style offense can do? Fedde should be in a package for Kjerstad. Expand No way you get Kjerstad in a Fedde deal. Not without that package including someone else with multiple years of control going to O’s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted June 23, 2024 Share Posted June 23, 2024 On 6/23/2024 at 4:14 PM, SoCalChiSox said: Ugh...sell Fedde for power. Have they not figured out that there's only so much a limpdick style offense can do? Fedde should be in a package for Kjerstad. Expand I think Beavers may be a realistic target, but I think the O’s are reluctant to do anything but win trades. I just don’t see them as a match for any of the Sox assets, sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted June 23, 2024 Share Posted June 23, 2024 On 6/23/2024 at 4:19 PM, Bob Sacamano said: No way you get Kjerstad in a Fedde deal. Not without that package including someone else with multiple years of control going to O’s. Expand Fedde + Banks has substantial value. Obviously, if Crochet is the headliner, that could easily net Kjerstad but it would also require much more from the O's.....more than Elias is willing to pay. So then the issue becomes if Chicago won't take Kjerstad as the headliner in a Robert/Crochet trade...what else do u need to add to Fedde for Kjerstad. I think Fedde and Banks is a pretty good offer. Ofcourse we are also dealing with a prospect hugging team so logic doesn't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 23, 2024 Share Posted June 23, 2024 On 6/23/2024 at 4:19 PM, Bob Sacamano said: No way you get Kjerstad in a Fedde deal. Not without that package including someone else with multiple years of control going to O’s. Expand Only if you include Crochet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted June 23, 2024 Share Posted June 23, 2024 On 6/23/2024 at 4:23 PM, Timmy U said: I think Beavers may be a realistic target, but I think the O’s are reluctant to do anything but win trades. I just don’t see them as a match for any of the Sox assets, sadly. Expand As Jimmy has mentioned it will take more than Beavers to get Fedde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted June 23, 2024 Share Posted June 23, 2024 On 6/23/2024 at 4:23 PM, SoCalChiSox said: As Jimmy has mentioned it will take more than Beavers to get Fedde Expand Beavers >> Boeve, imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted June 23, 2024 Share Posted June 23, 2024 (edited) On 6/23/2024 at 4:23 PM, southsider2k5 said: Only if you include Crochet. Expand Fedde + Crochet will require multiple things BAL is unwilling to pay. Crochet alone will also require multiple things BAL is unwilling to pay. If BAL wants Crochet by himself, it would likely take both Kjerstad and Cowser Edited June 23, 2024 by SoCalChiSox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 23, 2024 Share Posted June 23, 2024 On 6/23/2024 at 4:26 PM, SoCalChiSox said: Fedde + Crochet will require multiple things BAL is unwilling to pay. Crochet alone will also require multiple things BAL is unwilling to pay. If BAL wants Crochet, it would likely take both Kjerstad and Cowser Expand There is zero chance the Sox get Kjerstad for Fedde when the Os weren't willing to do it for Cease 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 23, 2024 Share Posted June 23, 2024 (edited) On 6/23/2024 at 4:27 PM, southsider2k5 said: There is zero chance the Sox get Kjerstad for Fedde when the Os weren't willing to do it for Cease Expand 10000%. It’s not about prospect hugging. It would just be flat out stupid. If I were an O’s fan and we traded for a SP with a year and a couple months of control and a reliever, I would be bummed. You can probably get an OF from the next tier plus others though. Edited June 23, 2024 by Bob Sacamano 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 23, 2024 Share Posted June 23, 2024 Also, we gotta stop citing that baseball trade value site. It’s garbage and GMs aren’t building trades based on it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted June 23, 2024 Share Posted June 23, 2024 On 6/23/2024 at 4:02 PM, Timmy U said: Mike Boeve is a super polarizing player. 60 hit 40 power 40 speed 40 arm. Tough profile for a regular as his entire value is tied to babip. People who criticize Jacob Gonzalez’s impact haven’t seen nothing yet. I mean, if they keep deadening the ball, I suppose the profile plays better as an extreme contact guy. I just hate watching station to station, all singles offense. But with that good of a hit tool, you could imagine him figuring out a way to hit 20 HR. Expand Two 45 FV prospects would be a better return than I had predicted earlier this season so I’d call it a win. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted June 23, 2024 Share Posted June 23, 2024 Baltimore will not pay the price needed, don’t see any deal happening with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted June 23, 2024 Share Posted June 23, 2024 On 6/23/2024 at 4:27 PM, southsider2k5 said: There is zero chance the Sox get Kjerstad for Fedde when the Os weren't willing to do it for Cease Expand Depends on new ownership. If Elias has nothing to work with besides prospects he will hug prospects. If he has a legit budget, he may be willing to trade prospects particularly those who provide most of their value in the bat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted June 23, 2024 Share Posted June 23, 2024 On 6/23/2024 at 4:33 PM, Bob Sacamano said: Also, we gotta stop citing that baseball trade value site. It’s garbage and GMs aren’t building trades based on it. Expand The Cease trade was almost identical value based on that site (44m return vs 42m given up) and I think the Burnes trade was pretty close too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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