WestEddy Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 5 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: If the return for Crochet was reduced for taking the Benny contract, Chris Getz should be fired for making that theoretical deal. They're not doing anything next year. If Benintendi can put up a passable .700-.750 OPS, DH him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 13 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: If the return for Crochet was reduced for taking the Benny contract, Chris Getz should be fired for making that theoretical deal. I'm kind of terrified that this is Jerry's ask and thus it will be done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 9 minutes ago, WestEddy said: They're not doing anything next year. If Benintendi can put up a passable .700-.750 OPS, DH him. Yup. I wouldn’t put my own money on it happening but there still is a small chance he finally hits well enough to be worth half his salary and an even smaller chance that he is worth all of it. You can’t neuter a Crochet return just because of Benintendi’s salary. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 34 minutes ago, WestEddy said: They're not doing anything next year. If Benintendi can put up a passable .700-.750 OPS, DH him. Especially to cover a $50 million deal has to be at least a top 100 player, if not top 50. Please don't be stupid enough to give up a Colson Montgomery like guy to get rid of that contract when you literally have nothing else on the books for 26 and 27, and basically zero hope of contention anyway. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 36 minutes ago, DirtySox said: I'm kind of terrified that this is Jerry's ask and thus it will be done. And honestly they should be looking to do exactly the opposite over the next couple of years. Take on someone's dogwater of a contract to help someone save a few bucks in order to get more prospects added to a deal. We literally have $50 million owed next year for existing contracts. We could pretty easily have a $70/80 million payroll in 2024, which means 10s of millions in profits to ownership. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 1 hour ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: If there was a trade on the table right now for Crochet and Benintendi you wouldn't do it? No, this team needs to rebuild with the returns for Crochet, Robert and Fedde. I don’t care about Benintendi on the books the next few years, as they’re going to be god awful anyways. 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 (edited) 9 minutes ago, fathom said: No, this team needs to rebuild with the returns for Crochet, Robert and Fedde. I don’t care about Benintendi on the books the next few years, as they’re going to be god awful anyways. If Getz avoided dumpster diving for a few of his junk DFA candidate veterans this past offseason in preparation for a no win situation/season, he would have Benintendi’s $16.5 million covered for next season already. Maldonado, Lopez, Brebbia, and Hill. These bums cost $16.1 million dollars and provided around negative 2.5 WAR up to this point. Edited June 25 by WhiteSox2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 6 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: If Getz avoided dumpster diving for a few of his junk DFA candidate veterans this past offseason in preparation for a no win situation/season, he would have Benintendi’s $16.5 million covered for next season already. Maldonado, Lopez, Brebbia, and Hill. These bums cost $16.1 million dollars and provided around negative 2.5 WAR up to this point. The King of hindsight. Players cost money. You need 26 guys on an MLB roster and guys at AAA was Getz supposed to sign 50 guys to minor league contracts this off season ? What would that have accomplished ? Should they also have not wasted money on Fedde ? There's another $15M you could have saved JR. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 (edited) 28 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: The King of hindsight. Players cost money. You need 26 guys on an MLB roster and guys at AAA was Getz supposed to sign 50 guys to minor league contracts this off season ? What would that have accomplished ? Should they also have not wasted money on Fedde ? There's another $15M you could have saved JR. Not hindsight at all. I remember numerous posters specifically calling the Maldonado and Lopez signings terrible wastes of money when they happened. Also, that Brebbia was a bit too pricey for a team that was going to be awful either way. Play young players in a season you know you are going to be non-competitive. Don’t sign garbage re-treads unless they are cheap and you think they are flippable. Maldonado and Lopez were never going to be those guys. Getz didn’t even stick to his supposed plan of bringing up prospects slowly so it was all BS anyways. Improved defense for the rotation — yeah, that worked out well. But I guess we should all be excited that Getz got one or two signings right in his offseason and ignore all the many more awful acquisitions. You have very low expectations. Edited June 25 by WhiteSox2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 8 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Especially to cover a $50 million deal has to be at least a top 100 player, if not top 50. Please don't be stupid enough to give up a Colson Montgomery like guy to get rid of that contract when you literally have nothing else on the books for 26 and 27, and basically zero hope of contention anyway. 8 hours ago, WestEddy said: They're not doing anything next year. If Benintendi can put up a passable .700-.750 OPS, DH him. If you don't agree after seeing these two posters agreeing on this,. . . . 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 (edited) 8 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Especially to cover a $50 million deal has to be at least a top 100 player, if not top 50. Please don't be stupid enough to give up a Colson Montgomery like guy to get rid of that contract when you literally have nothing else on the books for 26 and 27, and basically zero hope of contention anyway. Tatis Jr. and Erik Johnson say hello for $25-30 million in Shield subsidies from Padres, who basically had no choice but to trade him based on owner's comments after Shields surrendered 8-9 in previous start. Edited June 25 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 7 hours ago, fathom said: No, this team needs to rebuild with the returns for Crochet, Robert and Fedde. I don’t care about Benintendi on the books the next few years, as they’re going to be god awful anyways. They don't have to be god awful the next few years and the way to do that is to get rid of the god awful players. They will still get a good return and will have money to spend on free agents. They could also get creative in trades like the Michael Busch trade they weren't in position to make last off season. I get you want the shiney new things but getting rid of the shitty old things is the way to get better faster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 27 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: They don't have to be god awful the next few years and the way to do that is to get rid of the god awful players. They will still get a good return and will have money to spend on free agents. They could also get creative in trades like the Michael Busch trade they weren't in position to make last off season. I get you want the shiney new things but getting rid of the shitty old things is the way to get better faster. So what exactly are the Sox going to be able to do with $35 million on the books next year, that they couldn't do with $50 million on the books? 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Quote The White Sox in recent weeks have assigned top scouts to focus on the Padres’, Dodgers’ and Mariners’ farm systems, according to sources briefed on the scouts’ movements. All three of those clubs have shown interest in multiple White Sox players, but are far from the only ones engaged with Chicago on potential trades. Still, the White Sox’s scouting activity might be a tipoff to how they will approach the deadline. If they lean on field scouts, it means they likely want prospects with big tools. The Padres, Dodgers and Mariners all have those types of players in considerable supply. As previously reported, White Sox left-hander Garrett Crochet is a Padres target. Reliever Michael Kopech and outfielder Tommy Pham are among the other potential fits, and Padres GM A.J. Preller remains aggressive — or is it impatient? — in discussions. The Dodgers also like Crochet as well as center fielder Luis Robert Jr., major-league sources said. The Mariners, whose combined outfield OPS ranks 23rd in the majors, clearly could use Robert. But unless Robert gets hot, the White Sox fear that if they trade him at the deadline, they will be selling low. Robert, who turns 27 on Aug. 3, missed nearly two months with a right hip flexor strain. Through Sunday, he had batted only .191 with a .265 on-base percentage since returning. His seven home runs boosted his OPS to .737, but he has been inconsistent, not a game-changer. All that can change in the next month, but Robert’s frequent injuries, low walk and high strikeout rates are a concern for interested clubs. Teams likely will want to see more before giving up what the White Sox want for a player who last season hit 38 homers and stole 20 bases. Robert is owed the balance of his $12.5 million salary in 2024 and $15 million in ’25. His deal also includes $20 million club options for 2026 and ’27. https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5588578/2024/06/25/mlb-trade-deadline-white-sox-mason-miller/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 (edited) 28 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: So what exactly are the Sox going to be able to do with $35 million on the books next year, that they couldn't do with $50 million on the books? yup. While Beni is completely worthless... 15 million isn't some albatross of a contract that should stop you from doing anything over the next 3 years. Edited June 25 by Squirmin' for Yermin 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 12 hours ago, chitownsportsfan said: It's funny I would have really thought @Harold's Leg Liftwould be more in this thread. If there is a singular data point to congrats Getz on it's making Garrett train like a starter in spring and execute it into mid summer to the tune of a Cy Young winning type first half. Cool. Until it all goes 2021 Rodon on them in the second half... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 We are really joking around in planning anything around the likes of Fletcher DeLoach Ortega... Colas is the one who really needs the reps, as he was once a Top 75-85 guy at least, just over a year ago. The only real potential IMPACT guy was acquired from SD in the Cease trade. ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, you need to start targeting more outfielders/DH types because we can at least squint and see Montgomery, Baldwin, Jacob Gonzalez, Ramos...maybe Elko at 1B/DH...Sosa (25% chance or lower) filling in the majority of the infield. Otherwise, they would have to sign G.Torres, Adames (MIL) or HaSeong Kim, but he might be on the downswing of his career, although he's still holding a 2+ fWAR but nothing like the 6ish fWAR he recorded last year in far and away his best all-around season. Irony is the best non-SS (who came up as one) is Jurickson Profar with a 900+ OPS, but he's more of a LF than a 2B/3B and definitely not a SS any longer. That might have been the best bargain/discount signing of the entire offseason, after he went into the tank with the rest of the Rockies last year, playing on a lousy team far out of the playoff hunt. MANY MANY, we could even say numerous, NAMES...ALERT ALERT ALERT !!! tl/dr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 10 hours ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: If there was a trade on the table right now for Crochet and Benintendi you wouldn't do it? The way you keep pushing this makes me believe this is actually something that is being strongly considered. And to that, I say: f*** Jerry Reinsdorf. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 20 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: yup. While Beni is completely worthless... 15 million isn't some albatross of a contract that should stop you from doing anything over the next 3 years. Don't you remember when we got rid of Grandal and it fixed everything? Look how a real catcher has turned around our pitching. 1 2 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 8 hours ago, fathom said: No, this team needs to rebuild with the returns for Crochet, Robert and Fedde. I don’t care about Benintendi on the books the next few years, as they’re going to be god awful anyways. Paying another team to take Benintendi’s dead weight off their hands is the dumbest possible use of trade value, which is of course why we are fearful it could happen. It would be so very White Sox to half-ass another rebuild chasing quick fixes with money freed up through burning your most valuable trade chips. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 13 minutes ago, bmags said: Don't you remember when we got rid of Grandal and it fixed everything? Look how a real catcher has turned around our pitching. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: So what exactly are the Sox going to be able to do with $35 million on the books next year, that they couldn't do with $50 million on the books? Add a few extra Moldy’s and Brebbia’s? Heaven forbid they go one single season without burning stacks of cash on the fringes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Just now, Tnetennba said: Add a few extra Moldy’s and Brebbia’s? Heaven forbid they go one single season without burning stacks of cash on the fringes. Ok, if you could convince me that with the extra $15 million a season it would be the difference between getting Juan Soto or not, I might listen, but we all know that we aren't going to the top of the FA market anyway, so what exactly are we being threatened with? No more C and D tier free agents? Aw shucks. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 We are going to go hog wild on the reliever market next year, I'm sure of it. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 1 hour ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: yup. While Beni is completely worthless... 15 million isn't some albatross of a contract that should stop you from doing anything over the next 3 years. I'm sorry, we could sign 3 Maldonados with that money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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