Brad Keller DFA

[Nardiwashere]

2 minutes ago, T R U said:

Lee & Quero, both unknowns. Benintendi stinks. Robert will most likely be traded. Ramos is an unknown. Montgomery is an unknown. You have 4 TBD's on there. Your starting pitching is Crochet who you can still argue is an unknown followed by all unknowns.

So basically, we have absolutely nothing for the next year and a half unless you want to play the assumption game.

Benitendi stinks but he's on the team and they aren't getting rid of him. 

Of course there are unknowns.  That's how this all works.  Its an estimated timeline.  

Let's assume we are going to do a full blown 5 year rebuild.  How many known quantities are on a team in the 3rd year?

[WestEddy]

6 minutes ago, T R U said:

Lee & Quero, both unknowns. Benintendi stinks. Robert will most likely be traded. Ramos is an unknown. Montgomery is an unknown. You have 4 TBD's on there. Your starting pitching is Crochet who you can still argue is an unknown followed by all unknowns.

So basically, we have absolutely nothing for the next year and a half unless you want to play the assumption game.

Lee and Crochet aren't "unknowns". Neither is Ramos, at this point. 

If you're going to dismiss the entire White Sox minor league system, then no team can truly have any faith in rebuilding. All prospects are "unknowns". Yet, some work out. 

[Bob Sacamano]

2 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Lee and Crochet aren't "unknowns". Neither is Ramos, at this point. 

If you're going to dismiss the entire White Sox minor league system, then no team can truly have any faith in rebuilding. All prospects are "unknowns". Yet, some work out. 

Need to see more than a month and a half sample size.

That Ramos sample is even smaller.

[WestEddy]

1 minute ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Need to see more than a month and a half sample size.

That Ramos sample is even smaller.

The only question marks on Crochet are durability and whether the extra pitches stick. He looks like, at least, a mid rotation starter. We can have an idea of what Korey Lee can be going forward. No, we can't project WAR totals, but he looks like better than replacement level right now. He's also a pretty good defensive catcher. 

[T R U]

12 minutes ago, Nardiwashere said:

Benitendi stinks but he's on the team and they aren't getting rid of him. 

Of course there are unknowns.  That's how this all works.  Its an estimated timeline.  

Let's assume we are going to do a full blown 5 year rebuild.  How many known quantities are on a team in the 3rd year?

Yes, Benintendi being awful and being stuck on this team for the foreseeable future is a detriment and a cause for how this will take longer to fix.

You said its not going to take 5 years and then listed 9 prospects and 4 TBD's. They will not all work out, and odds say very few of them will actually work out.

The White Sox are going to be a bad team most likely through 2026 and even that might be generous.

[T R U]

13 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Lee and Crochet aren't "unknowns". Neither is Ramos, at this point. 

If you're going to dismiss the entire White Sox minor league system, then no team can truly have any faith in rebuilding. All prospects are "unknowns". Yet, some work out. 

Dude please stop. Korey Lee has 179 MLB at bats. Crochet has made 10 starts. Ramos has 32 MLB at bats.

I am not dismissing the minor league system, but you can't go into an argument saying the rebuild won't take 5 years and your support to that is 9-10 prospects and a bunch of TBD's.

If we learned anything from the rebuild we just did, these guys are not all going to work out.

So I go back to the point I was making, this is going to take 4-5 years to rebuild. Minimum.

[Nardiwashere]

Just now, T R U said:

Yes, Benintendi being awful and being stuck on this team for the foreseeable future is a detriment and a cause for how this will take longer to fix.

You said its not going to take 5 years and then listed 9 prospects and 4 TBD's. They will not all work out, and odds say very few of them will actually work out.

The White Sox are going to be a bad team most likely through 2026 and even that might be generous.

I'm not saying they will all work out.

If they had a roster full of good players and no question marks, they wouldn't be a bad team in the middle of a rebuild. 

The question is how long is the rebuild going to take. 

They have 8-10 young pitchers that will be on the team in the next year with their 4 best position player prospects and a good CFer.

The way you are determining the timeline, they'll just be perpetually 5 years away until they all of a sudden aren't?

[baseball_gal_aly]

16 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

The only question marks on Crochet are durability and whether the extra pitches stick. He looks like, at least, a mid rotation starter. We can have an idea of what Korey Lee can be going forward. No, we can't project WAR totals, but he looks like better than replacement level right now. He's also a pretty good defensive catcher. 

The question on Crochet is that he's likely to bolt in FA before the Sox are any good. He only has 2 years of team control left after this year. 

I believe in the stuff. 

Edited May 20 by baseball_gal_aly

[WestEddy]

1 minute ago, baseball_gal_aly said:

The question on Crochet is that he's likely to bolt in FA before the Sox are any good. He only has 2 years of team control left after this year. 

I believe in the stuff. 

Then he's traded at that deadline for a package. 

[baseball_gal_aly]

Just now, WestEddy said:

Then he's traded at that deadline for a package. 

I don't think he has any value until July 2025 at the earliest. 

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

52 minutes ago, Nardiwashere said:

Guys who will be on the team or coming up in the next year and a half

C Lee & Quero

LF Benitendi

CF Robert

3B Ramos

SS Montgomery

RF TBD

2B TBD

1B TBD

DH TBD

 

SP Crochet/Thorpe/Nastrini/Cannon/Iriarte/Eder/Bush/Adams

 

Then you have whoever we get at the deadline for Fedde, Kopech, Flexen, Brebbia, Eloy, Vaugn, Sheets, etc. 

Then any FA signings and trades in the offseason. 

Don't see how its a 5 year rebuild. 

 

38 minutes ago, T R U said:

Lee & Quero, both unknowns. Benintendi stinks. Robert will most likely be traded. Ramos is an unknown. Montgomery is an unknown. You have 4 TBD's on there. Your starting pitching is Crochet who you can still argue is an unknown followed by all unknowns.

So basically, we have absolutely nothing for the next year and a half unless you want to play the assumption game.

I'd have to agree with your assessment and there's the unknown of ownership be it JR operating as he always has or a new owner.

I also said 4 or 5 years down the road so if someone thinks it's 3 to get into a playoff game which was my other caveat besides ownership to qualify as a contender fine by me.

But realistically the chances of making the playoffs in a shorter time period diminishes your chances of being correct. Not you T R U , I agree with you . Too many unknowns and counting on many prospects to play well when just Montgomery is expected to arrive in 2025. Arriving and thriving never seen to match up at the same time .

Edited May 20 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[Dick Allen]

I'm with the poster who wrote Keller had a face he wanted to punch.

[T R U]

3 minutes ago, Nardiwashere said:

I'm not saying they will all work out.

If they had a roster full of good players and no question marks, they wouldn't be a bad team in the middle of a rebuild. 

The question is how long is the rebuild going to take. 

They have 8-10 young pitchers that will be on the team in the next year with their 4 best position player prospects and a good CFer.

The way you are determining the timeline, they'll just be perpetually 5 years away until they all of a sudden aren't?

Let me clarify, the reason I think this is going to take 4-5 years is because there are no young building blocks on this team today outside of Robert and its debatable about Crochet, but lets just include him anyways.

So we have a superstar CFer (When hes actually on the field) and a #2/3 starting pitcher. Every other position on this roster will need to be filled with either a FA or a prospect.

We already know they are not going to be in the bidding for the impact free agents. And we already know that not all prospects work out.

So you tell me, how long you think its going to take to fill out 24 roster spots with players that will have this team competing again? Keeping in mind that Robert is likely to be traded within the next year and Crochet, if ascending to a front of the rotation pitcher, will most likely meet the same fate.

[southsider2k5]

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

Who said there was no point to having Ortega on the roster? Everybody here screams there must be accountability. So they drop Fletcher down to AAA for a few weeks for whatever reasons, and now that's bad. You keep connecting moves like, "if they were going to do this, why not that?" Again every acquisition isn't about learning. They took a flier on Horn, looked at him for a couple of weeks, and decided resources were better spent elsewhere. Same with Matt Thompson. I could also imagine that politics plays into it, too. Thompson was a Hostetler draftee, Horn was a Shirley draftee. Maybe the Shirley people had a better plan for Horn's development than Hostetler had for Thompson, and they moved on. From both. Like Jared Kelley. 

Pillar wasn't working for them, for whatever reason. That reason could be that Grifol wants to play the platoon splits, and there was no room for Pillar. Great. Maybe that's just another "we gave you what you wanted and you didn't make it work" tally. I'm not sure what the problem is with the roster churn. It would have been nice if Pillar had his hot streak in Chicago rather than Anaheim. I don't think the up and down will hurt prospects as much as staying up, and getting shelled every game in the national spotlight. 

You have 5+ starting pitching prospects at AA, A+ and A ball. Complex league has a few interesting arms. They're starting to get promoted. There's a draft in about 8 weeks. They have to make room for the better prospects who are coming along quicker rather than spend time and resources trying to figure out a new way to beg Matt Thompson to throw strikes. 

So Ortega HAD to be on the roster RIGHT at that moment, even though we didn't need to because we already had other OFs on the roster by which we could still send down Fletcher AND keep Bailey Horn, for what reason exactly then?  If we weren't going to learn about him, if we weren't going to show him off for a trade, what exactly did he achieve then, other than churning another roster spot for no reason other than churning another roster spot?

Even if you want to give Getz the benefit of the doubt on half of that Thompson trade to say he had some kind of insider knowledge on Thompson, how awful was the trade if the guy he got was cut that quickly?  What does it mean for their evaluation process to arrive at Bailey Horn in the first place that he was bad enough and unsalvagable enough to dump that in about a month's worth of minor league work?  Either their evaluation process is flawed, or their coaching is flawed.  They already knew the kids character as they drafted Horn and had him in the system under Getz leadership of the MiLB system anyway.

Remember, if they came into the season with a plan, but quickly yeeted the plan as soon as the team started badly, that is the very definition of panic moves.  If they believed in their plans, their players, their evaluations, their player development etc, they wouldn't be surfing through all of these random guys for an AB, an appearance, or a week or two on the active roster just be sent out of the system.  They would have just continued with what they were doing knowing the long term was right.

[Lip Man 1]

2 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Come on Lip. You know who the owner is. You know the budget was cut tremendously this year. You heard Reinsdorf say the Sox cannot compete at their current location. Use your head. Getz is a pawn in whatever game Reinsdorf is playing. He's got nothing to work with except the decent amount of talent that's in AA right now.

His big acquisition was Fedde, a guy no one else of the other teams thought highly enough of to outbid the Sox even though most teams need starting pitching. All Fedde has to do is not implode for 2 more months. We'll see what type of talent he gets and the level in the system it goes to.

Same thing with Pham. Cease brought in 3 prospects that slotted in our top 10 and he rolled the dice that Wilson might fetch a better prospect than a 4th prospect the Padres might've been offering.

Every pitcher after Fedde was the reason he hired Bannister as are any yet to be acquired.

When all you can do is scrounge among players that every other team rejected you can thank Reinsdorf for that.

There's been no solid evidence that Getz has done much wrong. He hasn't been on the job long enough yet to decide that all the roster churning he's doing will make any difference. He knows they are at a minimum looking 4 or 5 years down the road. And even then who knows where thing will stand with the franchise . All we can do is hope he brings in more talent and that it develops enough to move the needle going forward with whatever JR has up his sleeve.

I don't know if Getz will be any better or worse than any other pawn JR hired to GM the team but I do know that JR doesn't pay for talent because they refuse to operate under the constraints JR puts on them. When was the last time a JR hire was considered among the very best in any part of the organization ? Now imagine the best people at multiple key levels of the organization instead of just one position without Reinsdorf's short sighted  approach on how to be a competitive winning organization .

 

 

 

You obviously didn't see a follow up post of mine:

"I'll cut Getz slack in one area though, he works for and is under orders from JR, which probably explains some but not all of the bizarre moves." 

 

[Nardiwashere]

11 minutes ago, T R U said:

Let me clarify, the reason I think this is going to take 4-5 years is because there are no young building blocks on this team today outside of Robert and its debatable about Crochet, but lets just include him anyways.

So we have a superstar CFer (When hes actually on the field) and a #2/3 starting pitcher. Every other position on this roster will need to be filled with either a FA or a prospect.

We already know they are not going to be in the bidding for the impact free agents. And we already know that not all prospects work out.

So you tell me, how long you think its going to take to fill out 24 roster spots with players that will have this team competing again? Keeping in mind that Robert is likely to be traded within the next year and Crochet, if ascending to a front of the rotation pitcher, will most likely meet the same fate.

I think they will continue to be bad this year. 

Next year, they will probably be kind of bad but more fun.

The year after is when I expect that they should be better than .500.

If they fail to sign an impact free agent in 2 years, I'll get mad about it in 2 years.  That doesn't change the fact that there's obviously a timeline based on when the next crop of prospects are coming up.  If all their top prospects were 17-19 years old, 5 years is more realistic.  But they aren't.  There's a wave coming in the next 18 months.   

You claim we need to fill out 24 roster spots like this is an expansion team with no farm and no existing major leaguers.  Between this trade deadline and next offseason, they need a RF, 2B, 1B, DH.  At the end of 2025, they can evaluate the team again.  If Ramos sucks after playing 1.5 seasons with the team, they go out and find a new 3B.  That's how it works.  

[T R U]

3 minutes ago, Nardiwashere said:

I think they will continue to be bad this year. 

Next year, they will probably be kind of bad but more fun.

The year after is when I expect that they should be better than .500.

If they fail to sign an impact free agent in 2 years, I'll get mad about it in 2 years.  That doesn't change the fact that there's obviously a timeline based on when the next crop of prospects are coming up.  If all their top prospects were 17-19 years old, 5 years is more realistic.  But they aren't.  There's a wave coming in the next 18 months.   

You claim we need to fill out 24 roster spots like this is an expansion team with no farm and no existing major leaguers.  Between this trade deadline and next offseason, they need a RF, 2B, 1B, DH.  At the end of 2025, they can evaluate the team again.  If Ramos sucks after playing 1.5 seasons with the team, they go out and find a new 3B.  That's how it works.  

Next years team will 100% be more fun as we should start seeing some of the kids coming up.

There is 0% chance the White Sox are over .500 in the 2026 season. You are talking about hitting on a prospect rate that is not realistic.

[southsider2k5]

4 minutes ago, T R U said:

Next years team will 100% be more fun as we should start seeing some of the kids coming up.

There is 0% chance the White Sox are over .500 in the 2026 season. You are talking about hitting on a prospect rate that is not realistic.

There is just nothing in this organization offensively. We have a couple of guys, but there is no way to squint and see an entire respectable offense in this organization today. Even if you say that Montgomery, Quero and Ramos hit quickly with the team, we are missing 2B, RF, LF, 1B, and probably CF once Robert gets dealt.  You can get by with say 7 decent hitters, you can't get by with 3 to 4.  We have more pitching, but even then, our top level guys are 3-4 years away.

[T R U]

Just now, southsider2k5 said:

There is just nothing in this organization offensively. We have a couple of guys, but there is no way to squint and see an entire respectable offense in this organization today. Even if you say that Montgomery, Quero and Ramos hit quickly with the team, we are missing 2B, RF, LF, 1B, and probably CF once Robert gets dealt.  You can get by with say 7 decent hitters, you can't get by with 3 to 4.  We have more pitching, but even then, our top level guys are 3-4 years away.

Its cool, we have a wave coming. Its how it works.

[WestEddy]

22 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

So Ortega HAD to be on the roster RIGHT at that moment, even though we didn't need to because we already had other OFs on the roster by which we could still send down Fletcher AND keep Bailey Horn, for what reason exactly then?  If we weren't going to learn about him, if we weren't going to show him off for a trade, what exactly did he achieve then, other than churning another roster spot for no reason other than churning another roster spot?

Even if you want to give Getz the benefit of the doubt on half of that Thompson trade to say he had some kind of insider knowledge on Thompson, how awful was the trade if the guy he got was cut that quickly?  What does it mean for their evaluation process to arrive at Bailey Horn in the first place that he was bad enough and unsalvagable enough to dump that in about a month's worth of minor league work?  Either their evaluation process is flawed, or their coaching is flawed.  They already knew the kids character as they drafted Horn and had him in the system under Getz leadership of the MiLB system anyway.

Remember, if they came into the season with a plan, but quickly yeeted the plan as soon as the team started badly, that is the very definition of panic moves.  If they believed in their plans, their players, their evaluations, their player development etc, they wouldn't be surfing through all of these random guys for an AB, an appearance, or a week or two on the active roster just be sent out of the system.  They would have just continued with what they were doing knowing the long term was right.

First of all, we're starting from a point where neither of us know anything about the inner workings of the Sox' FO, or Getz's thoughts. With that in mind, I say that they wanted to send Fletcher down to keep him getting reps and more importantly, away from the record setting parent club. They don't think Colas is ready for a full time audition, yet (the very type of decision making you're calling for), so they activated Ortega. 

The fact that they let Horn go means, to me, that they were done with Thompson, and took a flyer on Horn for their troubles. Yes, they knew about Horn. Maybe they tried to sneak him through waivers, or Bannister (who didn't have deep, previous knowledge of Horn) cut bait on him. 

This is all a lot of thought, already, for a couple of guys who will get an MLB.com write-up in about 5 years about how they persevered through 5 organizations, and now, they're finally having some success as a long man for a last place club. 

I don't see how having a plan, seeing the disastrous consequences of that plan playing out, then trying to adjust on the fly is panicking, or dumping one's plan. Seeing as they had zero (0) rotation pieces entering this season, and imagining the restraints on payroll Getz was dealt, he and Bannister worked out a plan to identify guys who are rehabbing, or trying to rediscover recent success, put a more competent defense behind them, give them a good game-calling catcher, and run with that, giving the prospects more time to develop. 

They're still running with Crochet, Fedde, and Flexen. Soroka got the Flexen treatment. Clevinger and Keller are innings. They tried Nastrini and Cannon, maybe even to discover what non-prospect hitters at AAA couldn't expose, and now they're working on their games. I don't see this as some huge divergence. If they traded Nastrini and Cannon for guys who could cover 5+ innings, that would be panic. 

Add to that, 3 starters went down with injury, and another 5 started out in extended catastrophic slump. I think if Chris Getz could predict batting slumps and injuries, he wouldn't be a GM. He'd be sitting on a mountain in Tibet, giving life advice to those who could reach him. 

[Nardiwashere]

2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

There is just nothing in this organization offensively. We have a couple of guys, but there is no way to squint and see an entire respectable offense in this organization today. Even if you say that Montgomery, Quero and Ramos hit quickly with the team, we are missing 2B, RF, LF, 1B, and probably CF once Robert gets dealt.  You can get by with say 7 decent hitters, you can't get by with 3 to 4.  We have more pitching, but even then, our top level guys are 3-4 years away.

Agree.  The offense needs a lot of help.  However, I don't think its too much to ask a front office to figure out a way to sign or trade for a 2B, RF, 1B, and a DH over the course of two seasons when they have millions coming off the books.

1 minute ago, T R U said:

Its cool, we have a wave coming. Its how it works.

You sound like a JR apologist.  You don't expect them to be able to field a .500 team in the next three years?  I hold my teams to higher standards I guess. 

[T R U]

Just now, Nardiwashere said:

Agree.  The offense needs a lot of help.  However, I don't think its too much to ask a front office to figure out a way to sign or trade for a 2B, RF, 1B, and a DH over the course of two seasons when they have millions coming off the books.

You sound like a JR apologist.  You don't expect them to be able to field a .500 team in the next three years?  I hold my teams to higher standards I guess. 

We've needed a 2B and RF since 2020 and those positions still to this day have yet to be filled.

[WestEddy]

4 minutes ago, Nardiwashere said:

Agree.  The offense needs a lot of help.  However, I don't think its too much to ask a front office to figure out a way to sign or trade for a 2B, RF, 1B, and a DH over the course of two seasons when they have millions coming off the books.

You sound like a JR apologist.  You don't expect them to be able to field a .500 team in the next three years?  I hold my teams to higher standards I guess. 

We have 3 Shortstops at AA and AAA. Two of them have 1st round pedigree. We have a 3B getting an extended audition this year. 2 catchers who look like they can field and hit. We have at least 3 OFs at AA, one of whom just hits, and the other two who look, at least, like 4th OFs. 

They'll get a good return for Robert. They might get a return of projectable guys who will be in a Rule 5 roster crunch this December (or something that makes them less than top 100 prospects not on a 40-man, yet, for a couple of years) for Fedde, Flexen, Pham and others. 

Maybe I'm just not considering what other people are talking about. I think we'll have a competitive club in 3-4 seasons. They're looking for the dominant, sure-fire, 3 world series championship core. 

[Nardiwashere]

2 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Maybe I'm just not considering what other people are talking about. I think we'll have a competitive club in 3-4 seasons. They're looking for the dominant, sure-fire, 3 world series championship core. 

I think some for some people, they define "competitive" differently and that's the disconnect. 

I think others just have a humiliation/complaining kink and they get off on losing and pouting about losing.  

I used to think Sox fans had a lot in common with NYC baseball fans because I thought they demanded a lot from the team.  This new post-twitter breed of Sox fan just likes to whine. 

You'd think the reaction to the team would be "Go out and get some bats!" but instead its sad guys claiming its impossible to find a second baseman. 

[southsider2k5]

4 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

First of all, we're starting from a point where neither of us know anything about the inner workings of the Sox' FO, or Getz's thoughts. With that in mind, I say that they wanted to send Fletcher down to keep him getting reps and more importantly, away from the record setting parent club. They don't think Colas is ready for a full time audition, yet (the very type of decision making you're calling for), so they activated Ortega. 

The fact that they let Horn go means, to me, that they were done with Thompson, and took a flyer on Horn for their troubles. Yes, they knew about Horn. Maybe they tried to sneak him through waivers, or Bannister (who didn't have deep, previous knowledge of Horn) cut bait on him. 

This is all a lot of thought, already, for a couple of guys who will get an MLB.com write-up in about 5 years about how they persevered through 5 organizations, and now, they're finally having some success as a long man for a last place club. 

I don't see how having a plan, seeing the disastrous consequences of that plan playing out, then trying to adjust on the fly is panicking, or dumping one's plan. Seeing as they had zero (0) rotation pieces entering this season, and imagining the restraints on payroll Getz was dealt, he and Bannister worked out a plan to identify guys who are rehabbing, or trying to rediscover recent success, put a more competent defense behind them, give them a good game-calling catcher, and run with that, giving the prospects more time to develop. 

They're still running with Crochet, Fedde, and Flexen. Soroka got the Flexen treatment. Clevinger and Keller are innings. They tried Nastrini and Cannon, maybe even to discover what non-prospect hitters at AAA couldn't expose, and now they're working on their games. I don't see this as some huge divergence. If they traded Nastrini and Cannon for guys who could cover 5+ innings, that would be panic. 

Add to that, 3 starters went down with injury, and another 5 started out in extended catastrophic slump. I think if Chris Getz could predict batting slumps and injuries, he wouldn't be a GM. He'd be sitting on a mountain in Tibet, giving life advice to those who could reach him. 

Yeah, that might be said by a couple, but it isn't reality.

-They started seemingly with a plan for a good defense, but as soon as they  had offensive problems, that went away.  Sheets and Pham are now in the OF on a daily basis, and Eloy just played RF.  If they had stuck with that plan, sure give them credit for doing what they said.  They said it, and then did the opposite as soon as things got tough.  The team is dead last in MLB in defensive rating according to fangraphs.  That includes being last in DRS, 2nd to last in UZR and UZR/150, last in FRV, last in runs saved by arms, and last in runs saved above average.

-They might well have been trying to build rotation pieces, but how many starters have we been through?  How are they identifying guys in like two starts?  Either they knew they weren't good when they brought them up, which isn't much of a plan, or they are panic moving to the next guy when they pitch exactly how they expected they would pitch.  A plan implies trying something for a while to see if it works.  Nine different guys have started games for the Sox.  Keller and Nastrini got two starts.  Canon got three.  If they through they were ready, they would have gotten more than that.

-I do like you appreciate you reaching into the 3 players got hurt bag, but again, for teams who were anywhere near the Sox in roster moves, those teams have had more DL trips.  The Sox moves haven't been as much because of injuries, but very predictable badness.

-If they are trying to give prospects more time, that would mean NOT calling up guys like Nastrini, Canon, Ramos etc and just rolling with what you have.  It would mean sticking with a middling guy like Sosa instead of starting the clock on Ramos, or a guy like Colas instead of going to the street again, and losing more roster slots.

-Also if you want to talk about defense in terms of catchers, that unnamed catcher we brought in off of the street is 58th of 61 in DRS.  He is 5th from last in Stolen bases saved.  He's 8th from last in good fielding plays runs saved.  He is 3rd worst in catcher defensive rating.  He is 60th of 61 in Statcast fielding run value which covers throwing, blocking, framing, arm and RAA.  I am sure the pitchers appreciate him at least giving them a boost on offense... oh wait.