caulfield12 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 3 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: We all know JR is the real culprit. If I'm carrying a pool you're crying a pool about what exactly , that he had to talk to the media and put his best foot foward straight into his mouth ? He has to say something positive. The culture talk was a coverup for hey we're rebuilding and our team sucks and going forward I'd like to be better defensively but I can't spend any money to get players who can hit and play defense but I can spend a whole $15M on Eric Fedde and turn Crochet into a SP. Perhaps losing Moncada and Robert and playing Benetendi ( who he inherited) has helped make the drgense worse. But regardless it's the 1st year of a freaking rebuild that hardly had anyone to trade. He's in a rat trap built by the guy who hired him . What exactly did you think was going to happen this year ? I've been telling you for months it was a bad plan to turn garbage into prospects but wasn't much else he could do. I've admitted no one but JR would've hired him to be GM . Are you unhappy Crochet and Fedde have worked out so far. There have been good things going on. The farm on the pitching side is looking strong. I keep seeing the farm listed in the top 10 sometimes top 5. Yes the trades made by Hahn and Williams have a lot to do with that but they don't make those decisions in a vaccume .Maybe Getz had some input. Thorpe is coming. He couldve hardly pithed any better since being acquired by Getz. Inciarte's done all right.Zavala has promise. And you really want to go on and on about Getz putting on a brave face in the off-season ? Where else have they been ranked in the Top 5 besides Bleacher Report? Just curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 (edited) 10 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Where else have they been ranked in the Top 5 besides Bleacher Report? Just curious. I saw something just today that had them 5. It was on YouTube. And It's Gone! Podcast posted 12 days ago .12K Views. Edited June 11 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 6 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Did James Shields ever pitch again after leaving the Sox? Tatis is a weird one because he never actually played for them. Yeah, he turned into a star, but it is hard to say he "improved" when he never proved here at all. I don't think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 2 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: I don't think so. He retired after his last season with the Sox in 2018. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 9 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Just out of curiosity I looked up the 23 roster. Names of note: Basically almost every offensive player has gotten worse since leaving the Sox while the pitching has improved by and large. Hardly the "everyone" narrative we previously heard. Grandal 23 .647 OPS vs 24 .470 Andrus DNP in 24 Anderson 23 .582 OPS vs 24 .427 Jake Burger 23 w/Sox .806 OPS vs 24 .597 OPS Seby 23 w/ Sox .511 OPS vs 24 .489 Romy 23 .585 OPS, vs 24 .651 Alberto DNP in 24 Trayce DNP in 24 Frazor DNP 24 Hasley DNP 24 Naquin DNP 24 Marisnick DNP 24 Billy Hamilton DNP 24 Jose Rodriguez DNP 24 Giolito DNP 24 Lynn 23 w/Sox 6.47 era 24 3.58 era Cease 23 4.58 ERA vs 24 3.51 era Graveman 23 3.48 era vs 2.42, though his FIP has actually gone up from 4.82 last year to 5.00 this year Santos DNP 24 Bummer 23 6.79 era vs 24 3.68 (FIP difference is only 3.58 to 2.74) ReyLo 23 w/Sox 4.29 era vs 24 1.85 era Middleton 23 3.96 era vs 24 1.99 (though now injured) Scholtens DNP 24 Joe Kelly 23/w Sox 4.97 era vs 24 4.73 Urena 23 4.10 era vs 3.44 era Ramsey DNP 24 Deikman 23 w/Sox 7.94 era vs 24 3.80 Cronin 23 9.00 era vs 24 2.10 Navarro DNP 24 After that I quit... Pillar? Compare him to entire Sox fWAR as an overall team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 6 hours ago, caulfield12 said: Pillar? Compare him to entire Sox fWAR as an overall team. Would you like fries with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: Would you like fries with that? No Pillar's overachievement will be as sustainable as Yermin's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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