southsider2k5 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 8 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: The bolded part stood out to me. Nice backhanded comment on the state of the White Sox. I really think the problem is Kopech. Katz and Bannister have done big things with guys who have a fraction of Kopechs talent 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankchifan Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 On 6/23/2024 at 2:51 PM, greg775 said: Hmmm ... Think of Sox rotation had they kept Cease and Lopez to go with our two good starters now. Yikes. And some want to tank? Agree. And Bummer only one of two MLB relievers this season with no barrels. ReyLo has the best starting pitcher ERA in MLB of 1.70. Braves are thanking the Sox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 (edited) 14 minutes ago, hankchifan said: Agree. And Bummer only one of two MLB relievers this season with no barrels. ReyLo has the best starting pitcher ERA in MLB of 1.70. Braves are thanking the Sox. Lopez was a Free Agent. Kudos to the Braves for starting him. They also made a nifty trade for Sale: Vaughn Grissom has a Lopez-level OPS this season. The team that gets Kopech will start him next season. T Edited June 28 by GreenSox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 MLB Network’s Dan O’Dowd said this morning that he would pull the trigger on this deal if he were the Orioles - but only by countering asking that Michael Kopech be put in the trade: pic.twitter.com/Wv38Ayxb0h — Ryan Chell (@RecSpecsRyan) June 27, 2024 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 (edited) 40 minutes ago, WestEddy said: I’d throw Kopech in and take that deal in a second. That’s the Orioles #4, #6, #7, and #8 prospects and Kjerstad is #20 in the MLB’s Top 100. I would be weary of McDermott’s walk rate but I’d still jump on that deal. Three potential starting position players and a potential back-end rotation starter? Deal. Edited June 28 by WhiteSox2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 Just now, WhiteSox2023 said: I throw Kopech in and take that deal in a second. That’s the Orioles #4, #6, #7, and #8 prospects and Kjerstad is #20 in the MLB’s Top 100. I would be weary of McDermott’s walk rate but I’d still jump on that deal. I concur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 (edited) 1 hour ago, WestEddy said: Well, that looks like a fair deal on paper. But I am in the minority and am leery of these Oriole prospects. I think that they have hugged them so hard and for so long has inflated their reputation. But that’s about as good an offer as we’ll get. Edited June 28 by GreenSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 23 minutes ago, GreenSox said: Well, that looks like a fair deal on paper. But I am in the minority and am leery of these Oriole prospects. I think that they have hugged them so hard and for so long has inflated their reputation. But that’s about as good an offer as we’ll get. Well, these guys are beating and are going to beat the s%*# out of Charlotte the entirety of this week. They develop hitters. Gimme some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 33 minutes ago, GreenSox said: Well, that looks like a fair deal on paper. But I am in the minority and am leery of these Oriole prospects. I think that they have hugged them so hard and for so long has inflated their reputation. But that’s about as good an offer as we’ll get. I can see why they'd want Kopech added. In terms of sheer prospects (where they got drafted) that is highway robbery on the Sox part. There's no way in hell I'd make that deal if I were the Orioles. Maybe Crochet and Kopech for that foursome. I still wouldn't do that if I were Baltimore. If they were to be negotiating with those top draft picks I'd say I want Robert/Crochet and go from there. Maybe add one more player if I'm Baltimore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 2 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I’d throw Kopech in and take that deal in a second. That’s the Orioles #4, #6, #7, and #8 prospects and Kjerstad is #20 in the MLB’s Top 100. I would be weary of McDermott’s walk rate but I’d still jump on that deal. Three potential starting position players and a potential back-end rotation starter? Deal. We are talking about 2.5 years of Crochet, all well known concerns aside… what do they say about when something sounds too good to be true? Our team is primed to look MUCH different come August… and I am here for it. Blow the damned thing up and never fucking look back. Watch the seconds tick on Father Time or get Scrooge to finally open the vault. No more swimming in gold coins or tossing them around on trash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 7 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I’d throw Kopech in and take that deal in a second. That’s the Orioles #4, #6, #7, and #8 prospects and Kjerstad is #20 in the MLB’s Top 100. I would be weary of McDermott’s walk rate but I’d still jump on that deal. Three potential starting position players and a potential back-end rotation starter? Deal. Hey we agree on something but that's only because it's too good to ever happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 14 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Hey we agree on something but that's only because it's too good to ever happen. Agreed. The Orioles wouldn’t make that offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 Kopech looking better. He had great stuff yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 Kopech is getting the Aaron Bummer treatment around here, as soon as he gets traded I fully expect him to "figure it out" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaff Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 Players I don't see getting moved, Crochet, Robert, Vaughn, Thorpe, Cannon, Lee, All others are fair game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 8 hours ago, GreenSox said: Well, that looks like a fair deal on paper. But I am in the minority and am leery of these Oriole prospects. I think that they have hugged them so hard and for so long has inflated their reputation. But that’s about as good an offer as we’ll get. There's no way Elias would ever give up that much or probably even half that much. The only way he would actually give up serious prospect talent is if Burnes also got hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 28 Author Share Posted June 28 20 minutes ago, Falstaff said: Players I don't see getting moved, Crochet, Robert, Vaughn, Thorpe, Cannon, Lee, All others are fair game. Cannon not yet really considered a core prospect....needs to put up similar results the next three months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 9 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I’d throw Kopech in and take that deal in a second. That’s the Orioles #4, #6, #7, and #8 prospects and Kjerstad is #20 in the MLB’s Top 100. I would be weary of McDermott’s walk rate but I’d still jump on that deal. Three potential starting position players and a potential back-end rotation starter? Deal. Ideally you'd like a guy who profiles with some true up the middle defensive profile, but in this scenario you are getting two day one starters in Norby and Kjerstad. They solve 2/3 of your OF, or an OF and a 2B. McDermott might end up a reliever with his control. Beavers is supposed to have power to find, and he might be the make or break of a package like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 For that O’s package, I would drive Garrett to Baltimore. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 1 hour ago, Falstaff said: Players I don't see getting moved, Crochet, Robert, Vaughn, Thorpe, Cannon, Lee, All others are fair game. The last three aren't going anywhere because of their control. Vaughn isn't going anywhere because he isn't very good and is going to be getting more expensive. Robert and Crochet are 100% for sale if a team makes the right offer. I don't think they are a certainty to go, but they are 100% available. If I were a betting man, I would say a 90% chance that Crochet goes, and 70% for Robert. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 The O’s are in an interesting place as they’re WS contenders who will not be able to hold onto Henderson (Boras client) and who have some older core pieces (Santander, Burnes) ready to leave. Adjusting to mlb these days takes a while. Will they have the patience to take a step back and let an older prospect like Kjerstad get the at bats he needs to make the adjustment? Or are they going to prioritize winning this year? I would trade him and keep Cowser, but they seem like dead enders on all of their guys. I do not believe the Sox will be trading with them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: The last three aren't going anywhere because of their control. Vaughn isn't going anywhere because he isn't very good and is going to be getting more expensive. Robert and Crochet are 100% for sale if a team makes the right offer. I don't think they are a certainty to go, but they are 100% available. If I were a betting man, I would say a 90% chance that Crochet goes, and 70% for Robert. I would agree but I think Robert is 50/50 to be moved as of right now. If he’s been hotter than sh1t right before the deadline then I agree with your percentage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 59 minutes ago, Timmy U said: The O’s are in an interesting place as they’re WS contenders who will not be able to hold onto Henderson (Boras client) and who have some older core pieces (Santander, Burnes) ready to leave. Adjusting to mlb these days takes a while. Will they have the patience to take a step back and let an older prospect like Kjerstad get the at bats he needs to make the adjustment? Or are they going to prioritize winning this year? I would trade him and keep Cowser, but they seem like dead enders on all of their guys. I do not believe the Sox will be trading with them. To put it all out there, Baltimore is needs to s%*# or get off of the pot. They are about to hit a pretty hard core 40 man roster crunch that should almost force them into some 3:1/4:1 type deals where they move guys who are in between off of the roster to open up spots for the next guys they have to protect this winter. It's either that or starting to deal the guys who need to protected soon. They don't have nearly enough roster spots to cover everyone. A Crochet deal where they push some volume out there door makes some sense for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 14 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I would agree but I think Robert is 50/50 to be moved as of right now. If he’s been hotter than sh1t right before the deadline then I agree with your percentage. I think the only way a team isn't interested is if they think he is too hurt to help. They have to be looking at the toxic situation here and thinking if they get him out of Chicago, he will be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 3 hours ago, T R U said: Kopech is getting the Aaron Bummer treatment around here, as soon as he gets traded I fully expect him to "figure it out" Has Bummer really figured it out though? His ERA this season with the Braves is in line with his career ERA. I think he’s still a hard guy to trust in high leverage situations (like Kopech) and decent middle relievers just don’t carry much trade value at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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