SoCalChiSox Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Crawford would be a nice get if we could pry him from PHI...but would require alot more than Kopech + DeJong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Kopech would prob be huge for a contender like Phils. They should jump all over him. Even last night, the run he gave up in the 9th was tainted. The run scored because of a WP that was about 3 inches out of the strike zone and not in the dirt. Should have been a PB. Unearned run IOW. Kopech is so close to being lights out. He is worth a decent prospect like Crawford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 37 minutes ago, oldsox said: Kopech would prob be huge for a contender like Phils. They should jump all over him. Even last night, the run he gave up in the 9th was tainted. The run scored because of a WP that was about 3 inches out of the strike zone and not in the dirt. Should have been a PB. Unearned run IOW. Kopech is so close to being lights out. He is worth a decent prospect like Crawford. I’m not sure what you are seeing when Kopech pitches, but you are going to be disappointed in the return for him when it finally happens. Kopech isn’t sniffing a return of the #62nd ranked prospect in the MLB. Cease returned one top 100 prospect — Drew Thorpe, who was rated #85 at the time of the trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty_Kuntz Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 Someone like Rincones or Bergolla would be about all I'd expect, and I'd be happy with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 (edited) I'd rather keep kopech and move him back into the rotation then trade him for trash. We still have next year to dumpster drive if he doesn't put together a decent year. We should be looking for reclamation projects not trading them Edited June 25 by wrathofhahn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 25 Author Share Posted June 25 2 minutes ago, wrathofhahn said: I'd rather keep kopech and move him back into the rotation then trade him for trash. We still have next year to dumpster drive if he doesn't put together a decent year. We should be looking for reclamation projects not trading them Kopech is a free agent after next season. His window is slamming shut on his own fingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 6 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Kopech is a free agent after next season. His window is slamming shut on his own fingers. Yes but I doubt we get anything more at this deadline then we would at next years deadline. Throw him in the rotation next year and see if he can put it back together. If he can't the offers probably won't be that much different. I'd rather hold onto him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 25 Author Share Posted June 25 7 minutes ago, wrathofhahn said: Yes but I doubt we get anything more at this deadline then we would at next years deadline. Throw him in the rotation next year and see if he can put it back together. If he can't the offers probably won't be that much different. I'd rather hold onto him He's shown he's a basket case for 4.5 years here. If he can change, it isn't happening here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 (edited) 11 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: He's shown he's a basket case for 4.5 years here. If he can change, it isn't happening here. He still has good stuff and if he puts together a season like 2021 or 2022 we would get an interesting prospect back. The way he is playing now we will get trash. If he doesn't figure it out next year that is fine nothing lost as far as I'm concerned but I'd much rather have him as our fifth starter than guys like Michael Soroka Edited June 25 by wrathofhahn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 44 minutes ago, wrathofhahn said: He still has good stuff and if he puts together a season like 2021 or 2022 we would get an interesting prospect back. The way he is playing now we will get trash. If he doesn't figure it out next year that is fine nothing lost as far as I'm concerned but I'd much rather have him as our fifth starter than guys like Michael Soroka Throw him back in the rotation and he could put up a 5+ ERA and hurt his value even more. At least they will be trading him with an extra year of cheap control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46DidIt Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 15 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: That was exactly my point. If you can get a 45 FV prospect for Kopech and a 40 FV for Dejong I think that’s good. A 45 prospect is going to look pretty bad for Kopech a year from now when he’s pitching like Reynaldo Lopez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 25 Author Share Posted June 25 1 minute ago, 4OCS said: A 45 prospect is going to look pretty bad for Kopech a year from now when he’s pitching like Reynaldo Lopez So what is the solution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46DidIt Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said: So what is the solution? Fire KatZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 25 Author Share Posted June 25 1 minute ago, 4OCS said: Fire KatZ The guy who is getting everything out of Crochet and Fedde? You don't think the problem is Kopech? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 There's still plenty of time for Kopech to get some appearances and up his value. Guys who throw 100+ MPH and strikeout 13 per nine typically get a longer leash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 You can blame the White Sox for a lot of things - but Michael Kopech being whatever the hell he is is not one of them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 25 Author Share Posted June 25 3 minutes ago, T R U said: There's still plenty of time for Kopech to get some appearances and up his value. Guys who throw 100+ MPH and strikeout 13 per nine typically get a longer leash. It is amazing how much hard contact a guy like Kopech gives up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: It is amazing how much hard contact a guy like Kopech gives up. Not really. He’s a one pitch pitcher and his fastball is straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 3 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I’m not sure what you are seeing when Kopech pitches, but you are going to be disappointed in the return for him when it finally happens. Kopech isn’t sniffing a return of the #62nd ranked prospect in the MLB. Cease returned one top 100 prospect — Drew Thorpe, who was rated #85 at the time of the trade. https://www.thebaseballcube.com/content/player/187788/prospects/ try #2 and Top 5-15 MiLB over a relatively long stretch #62 closer to fedde with WASH originally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 13 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: It is amazing how much hard contact a guy like Kopech gives up. Consistent slider never developed… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 4 hours ago, oldsox said: Kopech would prob be huge for a contender like Phils. They should jump all over him. Even last night, the run he gave up in the 9th was tainted. The run scored because of a WP that was about 3 inches out of the strike zone and not in the dirt. Should have been a PB. Unearned run IOW. Kopech is so close to being lights out. He is worth a decent prospect like Crawford. Isn't Kopech a home run machine? Great fastball no movement ... boom! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 45 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: So what is the solution? I'd keep him and make him a starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiddleCoastBias Posted June 25 Share Posted June 25 4 hours ago, oldsox said: Kopech would prob be huge for a contender like Phils. They should jump all over him. Even last night, the run he gave up in the 9th was tainted. The run scored because of a WP that was about 3 inches out of the strike zone and not in the dirt. Should have been a PB. Unearned run IOW. Kopech is so close to being lights out. He is worth a decent prospect like Crawford. If the Phillies are serious, then they're going after Mason Miller in Oakland. Kopech doesn't move the needle much (and won't cost even a fraction of what Miller will command). Maybe they kick the tires on Miller and deem the cost too much and come back to Kopech, but I would bet on Philadelphia coughing up the necessary prospects to get a Miller trade done. My guess is that Kopech is moved after Miller and we settle for scraps from someone that missed out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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