southsider2k5 Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 5 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: At best it’s probably a Middleton type return (Carela) but I’d still take it and be happy with it. That's a plus for a guy who is gone in three months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankchifan Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 On 6/27/2024 at 12:56 PM, WestEddy said: SoxMachine did a nice write-up of how the Bummer trade has turned out, so far. Hint: it's a wash depending on what Gowens becomes. https://soxmachine.com/2024/06/the-aaron-bummer-trade-scorecard-hasnt-been-worth-keeping/#google_vignette Braves announcers on this weeks game were thanking the Sox for Bummer, and praising Bummer for being one of only two pitchers this season in MLB with no barrels. Maybe Bummer also needed a change of scenery and has a better surrounding cast in ATL which is helping him. In hindsight, maybe we should have kept him in view of how erratic our pen has been with a bunch of journeymen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaff Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 1 hour ago, hankchifan said: Braves announcers on this weeks game were thanking the Sox for Bummer, and praising Bummer for being one of only two pitchers this season in MLB with no barrels. Maybe Bummer also needed a change of scenery and has a better surrounding cast in ATL which is helping him. In hindsight, maybe we should have kept him in view of how erratic our pen has been with a bunch of journeymen. I have no regrets with the Sox cutting bait with Bummer, good luck to him I hope he gets a ring with Atlanta. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 What is a "barrel?" A nouveau word for "homer?" Anyway, it's the same thing out of Bummer this year as in the past: Low homer totals, High Whip (1.60 this year), high ERA, but low FIP. So i guess the idea is that he keeps getting unlucky that so many of the balls hit against him are dropping in for hits. It goes back to those theories that the only true measurables are Ks and homers. But at some point, when "bad luck" keeps happening year after year, you have to question the validity of the statistic. Sox did fine on this trade. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted June 30 Author Share Posted June 30 2 hours ago, GreenSox said: What is a "barrel?" A nouveau word for "homer?" Anyway, it's the same thing out of Bummer this year as in the past: Low homer totals, High Whip (1.60 this year), high ERA, but low FIP. So i guess the idea is that he keeps getting unlucky that so many of the balls hit against him are dropping in for hits. It goes back to those theories that the only true measurables are Ks and homers. But at some point, when "bad luck" keeps happening year after year, you have to question the validity of the statistic. Sox did fine on this trade. The MLB definition of "barrel": https://www.mlb.com/glossary/statcast/barrel 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 2 hours ago, GreenSox said: What is a "barrel?" A nouveau word for "homer?" Anyway, it's the same thing out of Bummer this year as in the past: Low homer totals, High Whip (1.60 this year), high ERA, but low FIP. So i guess the idea is that he keeps getting unlucky that so many of the balls hit against him are dropping in for hits. It goes back to those theories that the only true measurables are Ks and homers. But at some point, when "bad luck" keeps happening year after year, you have to question the validity of the statistic. Sox did fine on this trade. I didn't know what the actual definition was (I just knew it was "hit hard), but MLB has it as: "To be Barreled, a batted ball requires an exit velocity of at least 98 mph. At that speed, balls struck with a launch angle between 26-30 degrees always garner Barreled classification. For every mph over 98, the range of launch angles expands." Basically, no one is squaring up on Bummer's pitches. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grinder Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 1 hour ago, WestEddy said: The MLB definition of "barrel": https://www.mlb.com/glossary/statcast/barrel There might be some validity to the term. Or it could just be another "overthink" stat. Either way I'm glad Bummer is in Atlanta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted June 30 Author Share Posted June 30 5 minutes ago, The Grinder said: There might be some validity to the term. Or it could just be another "overthink" stat. Either way I'm glad Bummer is in Atlanta The stat allows pitchers know what pitches they throw are being squared up, and which aren't. That's valuable information. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 2 hours ago, WestEddy said: The stat allows pitchers know what pitches they throw are being squared up, and which aren't. That's valuable information. One thing I remember about Bannister from his playing career is that he embraced analytics wholeheartedly. This is the kind of stuff he (I would think) would be looking at very closely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 2 hours ago, JoeC said: One thing I remember about Bannister from his playing career is that he embraced analytics wholeheartedly. This is the kind of stuff he (I would think) would be looking at very closely. Found the article I was thinking of: https://sports.yahoo.com/news/royals-bannister-unafraid-math-194800629--mlb.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FranksPillz Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 7 hours ago, Quin said: I didn't know what the actual definition was (I just knew it was "hit hard), but MLB has it as: "To be Barreled, a batted ball requires an exit velocity of at least 98 mph. At that speed, balls struck with a launch angle between 26-30 degrees always garner Barreled classification. For every mph over 98, the range of launch angles expands." Basically, no one is squaring up on Bummer's pitches. I really like this post. Curious what your take is. Personally - I think we keep getting pwned trading for offense vs pitching. EVERYONE who wins takes our pitching. And we haven't scored runs since 2006. Lots of REALLY good pitching shipped out and few runs come back. My .02, anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 The funniest part of this trade was always Hahns weird preference for sinker ball relievers in front of an awful infield defense paired with finally trading bummer in front of Getz trying to finally fix the infield defense (which didn’t really happen). Anyway was easy to call we got garbage, which was worse when we picked up nickys option for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted July 1 Author Share Posted July 1 2 hours ago, bmags said: The funniest part of this trade was always Hahns weird preference for sinker ball relievers in front of an awful infield defense paired with finally trading bummer in front of Getz trying to finally fix the infield defense (which didn’t really happen). Anyway was easy to call we got garbage, which was worse when we picked up nickys option for some reason. While he didn't install a error-proof defense, DeJong is a step up from TA, and Lopez is a step up from what they had last year at 2B. Moncada is better than anybody who could cover his innings in his absence. Vaughn is not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted July 2 Author Share Posted July 2 And for the "Riley Gowens is too old for A+ ball..." crowd: #WhiteSox prospect and local Illinois product Riley Gowens is being promoted to Double-A Birmingham! Gowens was traded to Chicago in the Bummer deal after being drafted bt Atlanta last year. He has impressed with a 1.04 WHIP and 85 Ks in 70.1 innings in High-A.@FutureSox — Elijah Evans (@ElijahEv8) July 2, 2024 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 7 minutes ago, WestEddy said: And for the "Riley Gowens is too old for A+ ball..." crowd: Yeah, and in 4 months when he turns 25... guess what... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 2 minutes ago, T R U said: Yeah, and in 4 months when he turns 25... guess what... Not to mention it was actually true. He was basically a year older than the average A+ pitcher, which is very unusual for a real prospect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 22 minutes ago, T R U said: Yeah, and in 4 months when he turns 25... guess what... Avg age in AA is 24.6 so in 4 months he’s 5 months older than the average. Not a big deal if he shows he can perform there in the second half of this season and lay a path for starting with Charlotte next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted July 2 Author Share Posted July 2 21 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Not to mention it was actually true. He was basically a year older than the average A+ pitcher, which is very unusual for a real prospect. He was and I agree with you. I really had no deeper point to argue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted July 2 Author Share Posted July 2 (edited) 52 minutes ago, T R U said: Yeah, and in 4 months when he turns 25... guess what... The season's over in 4 months. This is his age 24 season. At Birmingham, he'd be about half a year younger than the average pitcher in AA. He's age appropriate for AA. Also, he was only drafted last year. Fast mover. Edited July 2 by WestEddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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