TaylorStSox Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 If he just straight up refuses to pitch, then teams will collude and refuse to pay him. There's no chance MLB gives players the power to sit out while actively under contract. They will crush him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 5 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Thats been brought up before.It isn't new.I t was dumb then and it's dumb now. They're basically saying Crochet ,if he makes it to the post season healthy ,will refuse to pitch unless he gets an extension.How could they even know that. Can they talk to Crochet's agent ? Also why would the team trading for him want a physically max out at that point, pitcher risking his health in the post seaon when he's still got 2 more years ? They're saying Crochet would be willing to jeopardize his whole career i he got an extension , a big one presumably. That would be a huge financial risk for 1 post season from a guy who may not physically be up to it. Yeah there’s a lot of variables for this trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 3 hours ago, PaleAleSox said: Nice to hear it said straight forward instead of what weird ass s%*# Grifol keeps talking about. What makes you think Heyman knows the plan ? What we should be asking ourselves is was that 74 pitch outing yesterday because of protecting him for a trade or a new pitch limit to lower his usage in the event he isn't traded. We may never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 Just now, southsider2k5 said: Nothing to endear you to a new city, fanbase, employer and teammates like telling them they can all get bent unless you get more money to do the job you are already getting paid for. It's a bold strategy Cotton, let's see if is pays off for him. Who gives a f*** about the city and fans? That's what we've been taught anyways. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 25 Author Share Posted July 25 1 minute ago, TaylorStSox said: If he just straight up refuses to pitch, then teams will collude and refuse to pay him. There's no chance MLB gives players the power to sit out while actively under contract. They will crush him. If he refuses to pitch, they will just suspend him without pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 (edited) https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/40640468/white-sox-pitcher-garrett-crochet-wants-start-get-extension-traded White Sox getting screwed again. Said ages ago it would take an extension to make a trade work under these circumstances. Edited July 25 by caulfield12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 Of course this happens to the Sox. It’s not a good look at all for Crochet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 (edited) Dude only has a little over a half of a season of success and health. Maybe pump the brakes guy? Edited July 25 by Bob Sacamano 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 (edited) 11 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: If he refuses to pitch, they will just suspend him without pay. Can you force him to pitch when each start this season increases the probability of injury by 5-10%? More innings this season than his entire career... not to mention a significant shoulder injury at Univ of Tennessee? Will the Sox and/or MLB get sued for $150 million if he goes down with another TJ surgery??? Will anyone insure him in this situation? Moncada, for example, has collected nearly $20 million this year for not doing basically anything. Edited July 25 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 4 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Can you force him to pitch when each start this season increases the probability of injury by 5-10%? More innings this season than his entire career... not to mention a significant shoulder injury at Univ of Tennessee? Will the Sox and/or MLB get sued for $150 million if he goes down with another TJ surgery??? Will anyone insure him in this situation? Moncada, for example, has collected nearly $20 million this year for not doing basically anything. What's he going to do, leave the team at end of season cause he doesn't have a contract extension to pitch in post season. They aren't going to be paying him then. Also going to hurt him in arbitration if he doesn't play and doesn't get a extension Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 6 minutes ago, fathom said: Of course this happens to the Sox. It’s not a good look at all for Crochet. No Top Ten pick next year despite worst record in history. Montgomery back injury. Crochet not traded at peak and possibly injured or pitched into an injury and rendered down 65-75% in value. Free agents/fellow players won't like this situation no matter how it plays out. Robert scufflimg or injured and not even going to get a Jose Quintana 2017 return in all likelihood. Down year in 2023 for Cease clips wings on his perceived value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 22 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: If he just straight up refuses to pitch, then teams will collude and refuse to pay him. There's no chance MLB gives players the power to sit out while actively under contract. They will crush him. Many players have dictated the draft by refusing to play for certain teams. Why be forced to compete for the worst team in baseball history for a totally inept organization going nowhere fast? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nardiwashere Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 3 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: No Top Ten pick next year despite worst record in history. Montgomery back injury. Crochet not traded at peak and possibly injured or pitched into an injury and rendered down 65-75% in value. Free agents/fellow players won't like this situation no matter how it plays out. Robert scufflimg or injured and not even going to get a Jose Quintana 2017 return in all likelihood. Down year in 2023 for Cease clips wings on his perceived value. huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 14 minutes ago, fathom said: Of course this happens to the Sox. It’s not a good look at all for Crochet. Remember, it can get worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 Just now, Nardiwashere said: huh? The White Sox are ultimately going to look like jackasses again when his meagre token extension offer is put out there publicly. Everyone else will perceive it as a low ball offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Quin said: Remember, it can get worse. See Sale LaRoche Eaton Ventura. Or KW feuding with all time franchise star because of his massive ego and beef going back to mid 80s playing days. TA knocked out of baseball by Jose Ramirez. Edited July 25 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 Caulfield is on a roll I see. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 Why can't Vaughn and Sheets and Benintendi all threaten not to play lol? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 2 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: The White Sox are ultimately going to look like jackasses again when his meagre token extension offer is put out there publicly. Everyone else will perceive it as a low ball offer. sox look like jackasses on their own with out anything else. Hes not going to get a extension with them so why risk getting traded to a different team and continue pitching well to earn a better extension. Hes just going to sit here then and wait out his last year's on a crappy team and hope he gets more. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 (edited) 5 minutes ago, DirtySox said: Caulfield is on a roll I see. Tell me how this goes down if Crochet is on the Dodgers instead...they mismanaged this guy for over 65% of his career before going the Sale route. Just because JR waited for TLR to take over to authorize shelling out for elite closers Kimbrel and Liam. instead of draft picks like Poreda Ring Buddy etc. And that went so well. Edited July 25 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 (edited) 1 hour ago, fathom said: So is this a situation where the front office wasn’t communicating well with Crochet and his agent the last few months? Not trading him over the next week seems so damn risky. Even riskier for the new team to give up prospects , give him an extension and then risk it all in one post season. Youre risking your prospect capital , the health of the guy you just gave up prospects for and $100M or so in the extension. We really don't know what Crochet would want in an extension. Anyone dealing with him would be wise to wait. Crochet still has to prove he's healthy and TOR guy for 2 more years. Maybe only the Dodgers would be willing to trade for him now. They might be the only team who keeps him on a starter's schedule, use him as an opener ,then asks him to ramp up for a start or 2 heading into the playoffs. If Crochet is healthy and feeling fine I think he'd pitch in the post season without more money. He's a competitor and would want a shot at a ring. Edited July 25 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 (edited) 19 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Even riskier for the new team to give up prospects , give him an extension and then risk it all in one post season. Youre risking your prospect capital , the health of the guy you just gave up prospects for and $100M or so in the extension. We really don't know what Crochet would want in an extension. Anyone dealing with him would be wise to wait. Crochet still has to prove he's healthy and TOP guy for 2 more years. Maybe only the Dodgers would be willing to trade for him now. They might be the only team who keeps him on a started schedule used him as an opener then asks him to ramp up for a start or 2 heading into the playoffs. If Crochet is healthy and feeling fine I think he'd pitch in the post season without more money. He's a competitor and would want a shot at a ring. Which is malpractive to limit options to basically Mets Dodgers Yankees... and Padres who just might do about anything like Top 3-4 guys except no Salas. Orioles Tier B/C again? Someone will run the risk calculus. They have money now with Lowenstein. Almost have to trade him now... JR will make situation worse. Edited July 25 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 1 hour ago, chitownsportsfan said: No it doesn't. He's a pitcher. He's worth 150 million right now. He could be worth 25 million if he blows out his shoulder in the next two seasons, at best. Is James a poster here? I've got a bone to pick with him here, it doesn't make any sense. In fact, the very reason he wants to get extended in October is because it makes sense to cash in now, when his value is sky high and he's as healthy as he'll ever be going forward. No he's worth what someone is willing to pay him . They can either wait till 2027 when he's a free agent or pay him now . There's no reason to pay him now after you trade for him unless you think a guy with his health record and 65% of 1 season as a SP is reason enough to justify the years and money you are offering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 2 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: No he's worth what someone is willing to pay him . They can either wait till 2027 when he's a free agent or pay him now . There's no reason to pay him now after you trade for him unless you think a guy with his health record and 65% of 1 season as a SP is reason enough to justify the years and money you are offering. Same with Robert almost...just a bit less risk financially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 8 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Which is malpractive to limit options to basically Mets Dodgers Yankees... land Padres who just might do anything. Orioles Tier B/C again? They have money now with Lowenstein. Who's malpracticing ? Don't get it. It just seems like that's the way it is. You either pony up the prospects and you have a choice , try to extend him or wait. Either way you still have 2024 to figure out a way to get him to pitch in the postseason and 2 more years to possibly help you reach the postseason and pitch in it. Dodgers just seem like the team who can make the playoffs without Crochet being a key contributor the rest of the season. Now the question is who might the Sox want from the Dodgers 26 to make the trade ? If the impact on the 26 is minimal I think it'll be the Dodgers. So probably no Gavin Stone or Lux if the Sox had designs on either . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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