ptatc Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 11 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Only this pathetic team could F things up this bad when they had all the chips to trade and no reason to keep anyone. Epic failures. All of them. How dare they tell Crochet to say that we won't pitch in the post season without a contract extension. They was a bad move by Getz. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 19 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: I don't think he has a leg to stand on here. He's under contract. If his team is in the playoffs, he's going to refuse to pitch? George Kirby was threatening this last year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 14 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Only this pathetic team could F things up this bad when they had all the chips to trade and no reason to keep anyone. Epic failures. All of them. How in the world is this the Sox fault? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 5 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: If they'd given him a reasonable extension they would be on top of the world now. Think of all the guys like Gio Anderson Kopech Lopez Burger Vaughn they didn't consider backing. Montgomery and Crochet were the only interesting talents left to possibly invest in across the entire organization. Your last paragraph is insane. What are you talking about? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 14 minutes ago, fathom said: I’m sure teams aren’t exactly fond of his attitude now, and will be agree to pitch 200 innings if possible next year without an extension? Of course. This entire spring here was one long argument about how the White Sox should take 3 years to ramp up Crochet, and how dangerous what they were attempting was. I seriously believe Crochet's ask is about the risk of this season, and not subsequent seasons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 23 minutes ago, Quin said: Blow out arm because team that acquired him decides they don't have time for an innings cap and if he gets injured, he's cheap. James Andrews recommended Matt Harvey sit out the 2015 playoffs, he didn't and was never the same. OR Receive generational wealth from a team, which also makes your health a priority for the team. It's why Rodon was practically destroyed. Only a $3 million commitment and no buyout or QO for $18 million on the line to protect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 16 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Exactly Guys with no trade clauses renegotiate their deals when traded. Nobody's complaining about their attitude when it happens. No GM worth his salt is going to let a 2nd hand quote stop them from acquiring a game changing pitcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 If you want to read the article just archive it and read it. I don't know how people are blaming the White Sox for this. It's the usual BS around the deadline. Sellers are in control and nobody wants to trade prospects. Some will cave and some won't. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 7 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: Your last paragraph is insane. What are you talking about? Whoever knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 2 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Guys with no trade clauses renegotiate their deals when traded. Nobody's complaining about their attitude when it happens. No GM worth his salt is going to let a 2nd hand quote stop them from acquiring a game changing pitcher. It does help the resource rich, risk taking or more foreward thinking entrepreneurial teams. Ones that for example hand out Matsumoto money or Ohtani future dollars. Glasnow, etc. So wish the Sox would at least consider Sasaki with their Pitchers First plan. They won't be swimming in that lane ever again, at least while JR is still alive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 (edited) 1 minute ago, Baron said: If you want to read the article just archive it and read it. I don't know how people are blaming the White Sox for this. It's the usual BS around the deadline. Sellers are in control and nobody wants to trade prospects. Some will cave and some won't. Yeah, there's plenty to blame the Sox for in the past decade+, but this was them being blindsided. I guess this just kind of gets lumped in with all the other random shite that happens with this cursed franchise. Edited July 26 by Bob Sacamano 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaff Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 (edited) Down the road Crochet not getting traded at the trading deadline might turn out to to be the best thing that happened. Edited July 26 by Falstaff 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 Half the article is teams complaining about prices and doing the "well we might have to move onto player X". Wow what a surprise. This is totally exclusive to this deadline and completely Chris Getz's fault. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 9 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: Your last paragraph is insane. What are you talking about? Okay...so basically (Danks) Benintendi Moncada and Jimenez made the Sox gunshy to ever offer an early extension again. Where is this future core that's locked in? Where is the Sox version of Chourio or Colton Keith? All that money that could have gone to extensions is going WHERE exactly? JR's pocket. Now with the Montgomery erosion of value... yet another excuse to never offer an early extension again. Same with Vaughn and Torkelson never really peaking. Madrigal flaming out. So an early extension will go to Schultz or Grant Taylor? No way. Thorpe? What if his command goes south and he can't get it back again? Zero position prospects unless Montgomery's back heals. That only leaves Quero, essentially. He's the definition of a complementary player. And even Smith has a number of future injury red flags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 (edited) 39 minutes ago, WestEddy said: How? If he pitches a full load through to the end of the year without issue, he's good to go in the off-season. Cuz this report makes him kinda seem like a tool which could turn off teams. Plus if I am a team.. Why would i trade for him in the offseason when he's only had 1 massively successful year. If I am the GM I'd probably wait till the deadline to make sure he's "for real". Now the Sox are on the hook for another half a season.. eek Edited July 26 by Squirmin' for Yermin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 30 minutes ago, DirtySox said: Bruh. It's quoted in my post. explain it to me like i'm 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 16 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Guys with no trade clauses renegotiate their deals when traded. Nobody's complaining about their attitude when it happens. No GM worth his salt is going to let a 2nd hand quote stop them from acquiring a game changing pitcher. They usually get a little kicker. Crochet isn't getting jack. And if he is traded to a playoff team and is healthy, he will pitch in the playoffs without an extension. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 18 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Guys with no trade clauses renegotiate their deals when traded. Nobody's complaining about their attitude when it happens. No GM worth his salt is going to let a 2nd hand quote stop them from acquiring a game changing pitcher. It sure as hell seems to have scared off teams, as he went from almost definitely getting traded to very unlikely. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 8 minutes ago, Falstaff said: Down the road Crochet not getting traded at the trading deadline might turn out to to be the best thing that happened. Trades for Arozarena Br.Rodgers (extension OR signing HS Kim) and Winker (extension) along with keeping Crochet and Robert could have provided them a puncher's shot if almost everything broke right with pitching development and health. Sergio Santos named next manager for 2025 as of today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Y2Jimmy0 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 44 minutes ago, fathom said: And Crochet has torpedoed his trade value this offseason now. Nah he’ll still have tons of trade value in the offseason 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 (edited) His value was always going to be complicated this season because of the eventual limit of innings. It seemed more likely the past few weeks but now it seems like it won't until the offseason. Edit: a team might have been able work with him and give him 1-inning starts and then had him pitch in postseason but the extension comments hurt that. Edited July 26 by Bob Sacamano 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 Crochet had to have known this would tank his value. I am honestly shocked he would do this given that it now means he will be stuck in our Organization longer. Rookie move. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 (edited) At this point just option him and get back a year of service time. Increase that trade value for the offseason move. f*** him. Edited July 26 by DirtySox 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nardiwashere Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 1 minute ago, DirtySox said: At this point just option him and get back a year of service time. Increase that trade value for the offseason move. f*** him. How long would he need to stay down? They were good to him this year and he fucked them at the end. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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