Squirmin' for Yermin Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 Just now, Y2Jimmy0 said: I don’t think there was a demand. Thorpe was the best player offered in return. Nobody was willing to trade a position player package. Are teams willing to deal position player prospects now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 I think you can build an offense through free agency but it is harder to build pitching (especially JR style) through free agency. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 17 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Are teams willing to deal position player prospects now? Doesn’t really seem like anyone wants to ever. I saw a report that the Padres don’t want to trade Salas or De Vries. They’re 100% out on Crochet if that’s the case. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 3 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: Doesn’t really seem like anyone wants to ever. I saw a report that the Padres don’t want to trade Salas or De Vries. They’re 100% out on Crochet if that’s the case. I saw that as well and agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurtCG Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 2 hours ago, Chisoxfn said: I'm in your camp - he has spent a lot of time churning and we can see what he threw out, but at same time we have seen potential wins. Fedde is a huge win and they should get great value for him at the deadline. DeJong and Pham are both going to get value and Grossman got them something. I also think moving Cease when they did worked out well and early returns on Thorpe are positive and we'll see what happens with the rest. But part of the Cease piece is, strategically, I don't think taking the long bet with pitching when you have good offers on the table is a smart move. The risk of injury (regardless of track record) is high, so to me the risk you get 0 vs. 90 cents on the dollar (and even that is debatable) drives me to make the deal vs. the added risk. For example - on Crochet, I would be working every angle to prevent him from making another start. I am so worried when he takes the mound that he'll have a tweak or something pops up. If it does - we go from getting at least 2 top 100 guys (conservatively) to basically being back at square one. Given long-term view of the franchise - that is a risk I'm not willing to take. How many innings do we expect Crochet to pitch tonight? Doesn't seem like it makes sense to run him out there for more than 50 pitches or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 Just now, LittleHurtCG said: How many innings do we expect Crochet to pitch tonight? Doesn't seem like it makes sense to run him out there for more than 50 pitches or so. 2 again is my guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 1 hour ago, Harry Chappas said: I think you can build an offense through free agency but it is harder to build pitching (especially JR style) through free agency. Go to the fangraphs or whatever your choice is of website's leaderboards. Go to the pitchers and look on the first page for players that signed for cheap this year that are now a top pitcher. Now go to the position players. You'll have to go to page 3. Who is the Eric Fedde of position players this year? There are Fedde's every year. Building an offense out of FA would be committing to Rangers level of spending. You build your rotation first, they'll have atrophied by time you get the hitting. Twins/rangers...Baltimore. So many build their rotations later. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 23 Author Share Posted July 23 1 hour ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Are teams willing to deal position player prospects now? If they aren't, the White Sox are in deep, deep, DEEP trouble. Their top position player prospects took steps back this year, or at least didn't take any steps forward. if they aren't trading for these guys, they have nothing on the horizon which is going to cover all of those holes. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 5 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: If they aren't, the White Sox are in deep, deep, DEEP trouble. Their top position player prospects took steps back this year, or at least didn't take any steps forward. if they aren't trading for these guys, they have nothing on the horizon which is going to cover all of those holes. Agreed. Hopefully, some of the advanced college bays they drafted aren't too far away. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 1 hour ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: 2 again is my guess If he only goes two innings, then why should another team dig deep for a trading package? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 (edited) 32 minutes ago, bmags said: Go to the fangraphs or whatever your choice is of website's leaderboards. Go to the pitchers and look on the first page for players that signed for cheap this year that are now a top pitcher. Now go to the position players. You'll have to go to page 3. Who is the Eric Fedde of position players this year? There are Fedde's every year. Building an offense out of FA would be committing to Rangers level of spending. You build your rotation first, they'll have atrophied by time you get the hitting. Twins/rangers...Baltimore. So many build their rotations later. Let's get nuts...sign Juan Soto. Edit: wild to me that he is younger than Oscar Colas and Chris Getz favorites Dominic Fletcher and Zach DeLoach. Edited July 23 by Bob Sacamano 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 23 Author Share Posted July 23 1 minute ago, Bob Sacamano said: Let's get nuts...sign Juan Soto. He obviously is begging to come here. https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5648504/2024/07/22/yankees-juan-soto-future-championship-chances/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said: He obviously is begging to come here. https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5648504/2024/07/22/yankees-juan-soto-future-championship-chances/ $560M, 14 years. Get him for his age 26-39 seasons at $40M a year. /green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 1 minute ago, Bob Sacamano said: $560M, 14 years. Get him for his age 26-39 seasons at $40M a year. /green f*** it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 23 Author Share Posted July 23 2 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: $560M, 14 years. Get him for his age 26-39 seasons at $40M a year. /green Jerry has his checkbook out already. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said: Jerry has his checkbook out already. Haha if they weren't going to do it when Harper was there for the taking, they won't do it now. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 23 Author Share Posted July 23 Just saw this proposed on MLB network, but something like this is also a great framework for Crochet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 6 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Just saw this proposed on MLB network, but something like this is also a great framework for Crochet. I'll take less Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 2 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: I'll take less Yeah I highly doubt they would do that deal. Kjerstad is hitting now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rey21 Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 Just now, DirtySox said: I read this as “Hey Dodgers and O’s your offers suck, time to ? or get off the pot” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 7 minutes ago, Rey21 said: I read this as “Hey Dodgers and O’s your offers suck, time to ? or get off the pot” Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 10 minutes ago, Rey21 said: I read this as “Hey Dodgers and O’s your offers suck, time to ? or get off the pot” I read it as nothing because Morosi is bad and just tweets whatever all of the time. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 Tallying up Passan's article from this morning: All-in Buyers 2 (Dodgers, Yankees) Non all-in Buyers 9 (Philly, Padres, DBacks, Braves, Cards, Mariners, Astros, Guards, Royals) All out Sellers 4 (Sox, Nats, Angels, Marlins) Partial Sellers 6 (As, Jays, Tigers, Rockies, Cubs, Reds) The rest try to thread the needle in one way or another, with Texas TBD Buyers: 11 Sellers: 10 If he's correct in his assessment, it really is more of an even market than a seller's market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 14 hours ago, GreenSox said: Tallying up Passan's article from this morning: All-in Buyers 2 (Dodgers, Yankees) Non all-in Buyers 9 (Philly, Padres, DBacks, Braves, Cards, Mariners, Astros, Guards, Royals) All out Sellers 4 (Sox, Nats, Angels, Marlins) Partial Sellers 6 (As, Jays, Tigers, Rockies, Cubs, Reds) The rest try to thread the needle in one way or another, with Texas TBD Buyers: 11 Sellers: 10 If he's correct in his assessment, it really is more of an even market than a seller's market. Where are the orioles? This doesn’t quantify need. The basic threshold of buying versus selling only factors in organizational strategy. The assets themselves and the need for those assets is the qualitative assessment that tells the real story. Buyers versus sellers by itself is a measurement but it’s misleading as the only variable looked at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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