Sox prepared to trade Maggs

[southsider2k5]

The Cubs are to be pursuing that trade with the Twins for AJ.  The Twins have also been shoping Radke and/or Milton in order to free up salary to maybe resign Hawkins and retain Stewart.

I know Radke it on the hook for $8 mil a year, but what is Milton signed for?

[Chisoxfn]

He was believed to be seeking $15 million a year for four to six seasons.

 

Until he hits 48 HR and 140 RBI every year, hits in the CLUTCH, and fields at a Gold-Glove pace, he ain't worth that  - no way no how.  See ya later, Maggs.  You're no Manny Ramirez.

 

The days of those kind of salaries are dead and gone.  I'm glad his agent is so clueless that he doesn't realize it.  Even A-Rod isn't worth 15-20 million a year - although, like I said, if someone is stupid enough to pay you that, I guess you are.  But these free agents seeking those huge contracts are in for a huge surprise.  Welcome back to reality, spoiled bonus babies.

 

But no one will pay 15 million for a 2-dimensional player unless they are complete stooge dumbasses.  Or George Steinbrenner.  Same difference.

Maggs is an 8 mill a year player. The problem is he thinks he is way more then that and in those situations you either hope the player figures it out and then you can go on and get something worked out or you deal him.

 

In this case you can't really let it go on since he makes 14 mill and the Sox have a limited budget. Paying someone 14 a mill that is more an 8 mill a year player isn't right. Of course they could probably get away with it, if they weren't paying Koch and Konerko that type of money and due to give raises to Buehrle, Garland and a few others. And paying Jose 5 mill isn't that wise either.

[Chisoxfn]

Given the state of our bullpen, and Maggs contract demands, if we were offered Maggs for Percy straight up, I would have to take it.  It would be nice to get a prospect or two, but I can't see us getting a much better deal without taking on a s***ty contract.

Look for the Sox to get more then Percy, it would be a package of players and if I were the Sox I'd look for someone like Jeff DaVannon and a good prospect. Percy would be a horse in the pen while Davannon can play any position in the outfield and he's pretty solid all around and seems to be developing into a good player. The question is whether they could get it to work.

 

Maybe get Percy and Kennedy, who knows, but it will be more then Percy cause Percival is older also has a decent size contract, although its his final year.

 

Heck if the Sox got Percy and two good prospects and then got Perez for Konerko, while they would lose a lot of offense, I'd really love the look of the team. Then bring back Sully or someone like that and you'd have a pretty defined pen and then sit around and stall till some of the quality FA left don't get their money and divy it out to them.

[Chisoxfn]

After reading the article, and knowing our payroll situation, I really think that we are talking about Percival OR Erstad, but not both of them.

No chance the Sox should do both of them. Erstad isn't much more then an overhyped Mike Cameron, albeit a lefty.

 

I've watched Erstad a whole lot over the years and he's a great guy to have around, but at 8 mill per long term forget about it. His knee is a goner and the Angels know it. They are slotted to move him to first base this season because of it, hoping somehow it will prevent him from getting hurt.

 

Go for Percy, not Erstad...this is coming from someone that goes to like 25 Angel games a season and watches almost all of their games

 

I'd much rather the Sox just resign everett for a year at like 5 mill (And I don't believe he could get more then that on the open market) then worry about Erstad long term. Now if Erstad didn't have those heatlh issues, I'd say he'd be an amazing fit, but I just don't think its a wise gamble, considering the Sox shouldn't really roll the dice when it comes to players with high contracts, they got to be incredibly smart with it, cause when you f up and have a 55 mill budget, your in deep crap.

[moochpuppy]

I know Radke it on the hook for $8 mil a year, but what is Milton signed for?

Radke is due $10 million in 2004 and Milton is due $9 million in 2004.

[Wong & Owens]

Radke is due $10 million in 2004 and Milton is due $9 million in 2004.

Well, the Twins are f***ed. No way(especially Milton) are those guys worth that much. Good to see we're not the only team over-paying our mediocre players.

[dasox24]

I wouldn't mind trading Maggs for Percival and Joe Saunders. I would be extremely happy if we could throw in Konerko and also get Kotchman in return(Saunders wouldn't be apart of that 2nd trade b/c Kotchman is worth a ton... he'd be a lot for the Angels to give up). That guy's going to be a stud! Percy would really help the bullpen, and if we could resign Gordon and Sully, then we would have a pretty solid bullpen with Gordon, Sully, Schoenwiess(sp?), Koch, Wunsch, Percival, and maybe Ginter or someone else.

[whitesox61382]

"Odalis Perez had a .500 record last year, but that isn't the telling story. Remember, his team is like one of the worst offensive teams in history - or damn near it.

 

That guy had some bad games - every starter does. However, he could have easily been 16-8, 17-7, 15-9, etc. They didn't score jack s*** for him, or for ANY of their pitchers, for that matter."

 

Judging pitchers by their win-lose record isn't a good indicator. The one thing that scares me about Perez is his home-away splits. His numbers away from the best pitchers park in baseball last year were terrible. Factor in the AL-NL difference and you might get a 5.00+ ERA from Perez, unless he reverts back to his 2002 ways. Perez definately has a red flag. I would do a Konerko for Perez deal, but nothing more.

 

"i'd do Maggs for Percival and Erstad.

 

that would solve two major problems -- left-handed hitting outfielder"

 

Maggs for Percival - no

Maggs for Erstad - hell no

Maggs for Percival and Kennedy - maybe

Maggs for Erstad and Kennedy - no

Maggs for Percival and prospects - yes

Maggs for Erstad and prospects - maybe

 

Please no Erstad!!! The guy is a sub-.700 OPS guy, with decent but not great D, and a big 8M/yr contract. Couldn't we get similar production from Rowand at a minimum salary?

 

"Just say no to Sidney Ponson, my guess is he is a rotator cuff surgery within next full season, supposedly it is already frayed."

 

Do you have an evidence or is this just some BS of yours based on nothing?

 

"Look for the Sox to get more then Percy, it would be a package of players and if I were the Sox I'd look for someone like Jeff DaVannon and a good prospect. Percy would be a horse in the pen while Davannon can play any position in the outfield and he's pretty solid all around and seems to be developing into a good player."

 

I doubt that the Angels are going to trade DaVannon. I think the main reason that they let both Fullmer and Spiezio go was to clear room for DaVannon.

 

"Erstad isn't much more then an overhyped Mike Cameron, albeit a lefty.'

 

Cameron isn't overrated. How is a GG CF, with a .800+ OPS, great speed, ect. overrated?

[Chisoxfn]

I am going to assume a few things. Thing one is that the Sox deal Koch for Roger Cedeno and that the Sox get money in return and a lesser prospect or bench type guy.

 

I'm also going to assume that the Sox deal Paul Konerko or Carlos Lee for Odalis Perez. I think thats a very realistic scenario cause the Dodgers are going to move him for a bat and a right handed one at that. Lee would be a lot to give up and when you look at his numbers, I wouldn't find it hard pressed that the Sox would get a top top prospect in return or one of the Dodgers quality relievers.

 

With that in mind, it means the Sox would have a need for offense since Konerko or Lee and Thomas are what your looking at as the "heart of the order".

 

With that being said getting Percival would be amazing for the pitching staff and pen. He is one of the few guys I consider an "elite" closer. But if your dealing Magglio, you have to expect more in return then just that. You mention Saunders and I agree with you he's a good prospect to start with, but I also think the Sox could use one major league ready hitter of some sort, doesn't need to be a stud but something along those lines. If they are also gonna make a push at a ss (The Angels) then maybe Eckstein comes this way along with Percy and a prospect. Then the Angels have Eck and Jose up the middle with Willie definately getting playing time. Offensively it will be ugly, but the Sox will now have the money to bring back one of Sully/Gordon and then add one more and then sign another FA pitcher as well as a few FA hitters.

 

The main theory is that a rotation of:

Buehrle

Elo

Perez

Garland

Pavano..whomever else

 

Can compete and while you lack the ace power at first, I think you could very easily find 3 of those guys to develop into front line pitchers during the season so in the post-season your in solid shape. They all are innings eaters and will definately keep ya in the mix. Then when those guys give their innings, you hand the pen over to Percy, Marte, Sully/Gordon (R-L-R ALL WITH DIFFERENT STYLES) and then Wunsch, Scho, Wright, VEt well thats pretty damn good, imo.

 

I think this scenario would be a heck of a lot better if you know you got Thomas and Lee cause if you can bring in one lefty hitter then you wouldn't be in horrible shape (Everett would fit in fin in the outfield and then you mix in the youngsters for Cedeno/Everett).

 

You now have a lineup of

Roger Cedeno - CF/RF

David Eckstein - 2nd

Frank Thomas - DH

Carl Everett - RF/CF

Carlos Lee - LF

Brad Fullmer/Brian Daubach/Scott Spiezo/Nick Johnson - 1st

Joe Crede - 3rd

Jose Valentin

Miguel Olivo

 

Defensively it scares the hell out of me, at least in the outfield and in the infield your solid and you know what you got behind the plate. But this team would have some pretty darn good pitching and you could definately fiddle things around. I'm not saying its the scenario I would chose, but if the Sox only takers for Maggs are the Angels then I find this scenario a possibility. I Think the big question is gonna be where Maggs goes as opposed to where Konerko or Lee or Koch go.

 

And I will state again if the Sox can get Soriano for Maggs straight up without paying any salary then freaking do it. I don't find it likely though.

[Chisoxfn]

"Odalis Perez had a .500 record last year, but that isn't the telling story. Remember, his team is like one of the worst offensive teams in history - or damn near it.

 

That guy had some bad games - every starter does. However, he could have easily been 16-8, 17-7, 15-9, etc. They didn't score jack s*** for him, or for ANY of their pitchers, for that matter."

 

Judging pitchers by their win-lose record isn't a good indicator. The one thing that scares me about Perez is his home-away splits. His numbers away from the best pitchers park in baseball last year were terrible. Factor in the AL-NL difference and you might get a 5.00+ ERA from Perez, unless he reverts back to his 2002 ways. Perez definately has a red flag. I would do a Konerko for Perez deal, but nothing more.

 

"i'd do Maggs for Percival and Erstad.

 

that would solve two major problems -- left-handed hitting outfielder"

 

Maggs for Percival - no

Maggs for Erstad - hell no

Maggs for Percival and Kennedy - maybe

Maggs for Erstad and Kennedy - no

Maggs for Percival and prospects - yes

Maggs for Erstad and prospects - maybe

 

Please no Erstad!!! The guy is a sub-.700 OPS guy, with decent but not great D, and a big 8M/yr contract. Couldn't we get similar production from Rowand at a minimum salary?

 

"Just say no to Sidney Ponson, my guess is he is a rotator cuff surgery within next full season, supposedly it is already frayed."

 

Do you have an evidence or is this just some BS of yours based on nothing?

 

"Look for the Sox to get more then Percy, it would be a package of players and if I were the Sox I'd look for someone like Jeff DaVannon and a good prospect. Percy would be a horse in the pen while Davannon can play any position in the outfield and he's pretty solid all around and seems to be developing into a good player."

 

I doubt that the Angels are going to trade DaVannon. I think the main reason that they let both Fullmer and Spiezio go was to clear room for DaVannon.

 

"Erstad isn't much more then an overhyped Mike Cameron, albeit a lefty.'

 

Cameron isn't overrated. How is a GG CF, with a .800+ OPS, great speed, ect. overrated?

By overhyped Cameron I mean Erstad is an overhyped version of Mike Cameron. by that I mean a guy that is a solid cluth hitter and plays flat out amazing defense. Both have offensive flashes and I'd say Erstad is tougher to pitch to cause Cameron can get himself out easier then Erstad.

 

I'd like Cameron in centerfield...at the right price.

[whitesox61382]

I am going to assume a few things.  Thing one is that the Sox deal Koch for Roger Cedeno and that the Sox get money in return and a lesser prospect or bench type guy. 

 

I'm also going to assume that the Sox deal Paul Konerko or Carlos Lee for Odalis Perez.  I think thats a very realistic scenario cause the Dodgers are going to move him for a bat and a right handed one at that.  Lee would be a lot to give up and when you look at his numbers, I wouldn't find it hard pressed that the Sox would get a top top prospect in return or one of the Dodgers quality relievers. 

 

With that in mind, it means the Sox would have a need for offense since Konerko or Lee and Thomas are what your looking at as the "heart of the order". 

 

With that being said getting Percival would be amazing for the pitching staff and pen.  He is one of the few guys I consider an "elite" closer.  But if your dealing Magglio, you have to expect more in return then just that.  You mention Saunders and I agree with you he's a good prospect to start with, but I also think the Sox could use one major league ready hitter of some sort, doesn't need to be a stud but something along those lines.  If they are also gonna make a push at a ss (The Angels) then maybe Eckstein comes this way along with Percy and a prospect.  Then the Angels have Eck and Jose up the middle with Willie definately getting playing time.  Offensively it will be ugly, but the Sox will now have the money to bring back one of Sully/Gordon and then add one more and then sign another FA pitcher as well as a few FA hitters.

 

The main theory is that a rotation of:

Buehrle

Elo

Perez

Garland

Pavano..whomever else

 

Can compete and while you lack the ace power at first, I think you could very easily find 3 of those guys to develop into front line pitchers during the season so in the post-season your in solid shape.  They all are innings eaters and will definately keep ya in the mix.  Then when those guys give their innings, you hand the pen over to Percy, Marte, Sully/Gordon (R-L-R ALL WITH DIFFERENT STYLES) and then Wunsch, Scho, Wright, VEt well thats pretty damn good, imo. 

 

I think this scenario would be a heck of a lot better if you know you got Thomas and Lee cause if you can bring in one lefty hitter then you wouldn't be in horrible shape (Everett would fit in fin in the outfield and then you mix in the youngsters for Cedeno/Everett).

 

You now have a lineup of

Roger Cedeno - CF/RF

David Eckstein - 2nd

Frank Thomas - DH

Carl Everett - RF/CF

Carlos Lee - LF

Brad Fullmer/Brian Daubach/Scott Spiezo/Nick Johnson - 1st

Joe Crede - 3rd

Jose Valentin

Miguel Olivo

 

Defensively it scares the hell out of me, at least in the outfield and in the infield your solid and you know what you got behind the plate.  But this team would have some pretty darn good pitching and you could definately fiddle things around.  I'm not saying its the scenario I would chose, but if the Sox only takers for Maggs are the Angels then I find this scenario a possibility.  I Think the big question is gonna be where Maggs goes as opposed to where Konerko or Lee or Koch go. 

 

And I will state again if the Sox can get Soriano for Maggs straight up without paying any salary then freaking do it.  I don't find it likely though.

The one problem you have is that the lineup and starting pitching would cost over 50M, and that doesn't include the bullpen and bench. I don't think the Sox are going to get Pavano, but Batista is a guy I would love to see the Sox go after. He would probably cost under 5M/yr. I REALLY don't want to see Cedeno in a Sox uniform. I would MUCH rather keep Koch and have Rowand play CF. Everett is as good as gone. The Sox will either let Rowand, Reed, and Borchard fight for 2 outfield positions(if Maggs was traded) or a cheap replacement would be found in FA.

[Chisoxfn]

If it were up to me I'd do this.

 

Konerko and Magglio for Johnson/Soriano/Weaver

Carlos Lee and Jose Valentin for Odalis Perez and Cesar Itzuris

Koch for Cedeno

 

Sox sign Sully and one other guy like hawkins or whomever...and have a pen of Marte/Sully/Hawkins or Gordon or Foulke/Scho/Wright/Wunsch

 

Rotation

Buehrle

Loaiza

Perez

Garland

Weaver

 

Lineup

Alomar Jr or Vina - 2nd

Cedeno - LF

Soriano - CF

Thomas - DH

Nick Johnson - 1st (Could also move him to the 2 hole and move Cedeno down)

Crede - 3rd

Rowand/Reed/FA - rf

Itzuris - ss

Olivo

 

While offensively it may not be beautiful, it would have some guys who can run at the top of the order and bottom of the order. It would have solid mixture of lefties nad righties as well as young and old. Cedeno, the 2nd baseman and Thomas would be vets and then Ventura could even be your FA type guy that you bring in. IT wouldn't be a juggernaut, but defensively Cedeno isn't really a liability in left and I believe Soriano can be good in center and in right we'd be solid. It would cost about (2+5+2+6+2+1 = 18 mill give or take a bit).

 

Your rotation would cost ya (4+4.5+4+2+6.5 = 21) giving you 39 total before you bullpen which wouldn't be too bad. You'd say Sully/Hawkins or whomever for 6 and then keeping who you had which would be like 4 mill, giving you 10 mill and that puts you at 49 mill. Thats well under the proposed salary of the Sox and I think if the Sox take Weaver they'd get Nick Johnson and then the Yanks could work together a 3 way deal to land them someone like Sexson for Konerko if they are interested).

 

This is just using some teams that are rumored. There are so many ways I think you can do things with the Sox being sucessful. This also leaves the Sox money to take on a contract or two at the deadline, instead of giving up prospects.

[SuperSteve]

This is what I would like to see:

 

C - Olivo; $300,000

1B - Konerko; $8 mil

2B - Spivey; $500,000 (no idea what his salary will be)

3B - Crede; $400,000

SS - Valentin; $5 mil

LF - Everett; $5.5 mil

CF - Cedeno; $5 mil

RF - Cruz Jr.; $3 mil

DH - Thomas; $6 mil

 

Starting Rotation: Buerhle, Loaiza, Perez, Garland, Maels Rodriguez

 

Bullpen: Marte, Valverde, Quantrill or Sullivan, Wunsch, Wright or Schoeneweiss

 

Bench: Moeller,C; Harris, 2B/OF; Graffanino, UTL; Bragg, OF; Vander Wal, OF; Cairo, MIF

 

1. Cruz Jr S

2. Spivey R

3. Thomas R

4. Konerko R

5. Everett S

6. Crede R

7. Cedeno S

8. Valentin S

9. Olivo R

[SoxFan1]

If it were up to me I'd do this.

 

Konerko and Magglio for Johnson/Soriano/Weaver

Carlos Lee and Jose Valentin for Odalis Perez and Cesar Itzuris

Koch for Cedeno

 

Sox sign Sully and one other guy like hawkins or whomever...and have a pen of Marte/Sully/Hawkins or Gordon or Foulke/Scho/Wright/Wunsch

 

Rotation

Buehrle

Loaiza

Perez

Garland

Weaver

 

Lineup

Alomar Jr or Vina - 2nd

Cedeno - LF

Soriano - CF

Thomas - DH

Nick Johnson - 1st (Could also move him to the 2 hole and move Cedeno down)

Crede - 3rd

Rowand/Reed/FA - rf

Itzuris - ss

Olivo

 

While offensively it may not be beautiful, it would have some guys who can run at the top of the order and bottom of the order.  It would have solid mixture of lefties nad righties as well as young and old.  Cedeno, the 2nd baseman and Thomas would be vets and then Ventura could even be your FA type guy that you bring in.  IT wouldn't be a juggernaut, but defensively Cedeno isn't really a liability in left and I believe Soriano can be good in center and in right we'd be solid.  It would cost about (2+5+2+6+2+1 = 18 mill give or take a bit).

 

Your rotation would cost ya (4+4.5+4+2+6.5 = 21) giving you 39 total before you bullpen which wouldn't be too bad.  You'd say Sully/Hawkins or whomever for 6 and then keeping who you had which would be like 4 mill, giving you 10 mill and that puts you at 49 mill.  Thats well under the proposed salary of the Sox and I think if the Sox take Weaver they'd get Nick Johnson and then the Yanks could work together a 3 way deal to land them someone like Sexson for Konerko if they are interested). 

 

This is just using some teams that are rumored.  There are so many ways I think you can do things with the Sox being sucessful.  This also leaves the Sox money to take on a contract or two at the deadline, instead of giving up prospects.

Apply for GM of the Sox when you turn 25. PLEASE!

[BrandoFan]

. Both have offensive flashes and I'd say Erstad is tougher to pitch to cause Cameron can get himself out easier then Erstad

 

Mike Cameron is a lock for 860-890 OPS if you let him play 81 games at USCF instead of Safeco.

 

Unlike Erstad who is only above average defensively, Mike Cameron's only peers in CF are Andruw and Toriiiiiiiiiii. Maybe Edmonds and Griffey on a good day. In a less spacious CF in our park, he figures to be even better.

 

As far as combination of speed and insincts on the basepaths go, Cameron is one of the best.

 

And *knock on wood* Cameron doesn't have much in a way of injury history.

 

Please don't mention them in the same sentence.

[Cali]

Assuming that Konerko is dealt for Perez, and Koch for Cedeno. The Sox could trade Maggs to the Angels, either for Percy and some prospects, or Erstad and some prospects. Percy that's a given of what he can do, but if they do get Erstad, since they we're talking about moving him to first, the Sox could do the same. They could have Erstad going between 1B and CF, trading off with Frank and Harris/Rowand/FA CF'er.

 

Man I love me the Hot Stove Season... and it's just getting warmed up

[BrandoFan]

Buehrle

Loaiza

Perez

Garland

Weaver

 

 

Like it or not, Sox would still need to get Kevin Brown-type impact maker around waver deadline if they want to do any damage in the post-season. I like Loaiza as #2 and I am sort of ambivalent about Beurhle as #3- hell, I guess he IS passable. Perez and Garland will be in a mop-up duty.

 

ALDS rotation:

 

Brown - Pedro

 

Loaiza - Lowe

 

Burhle - ???

[Chisoxfn]

Going on that theory you could easily say the Marlins didn't have the pitching to make it to the series.

 

But Brando I do agree Cameron would be such a sweet pickup to play center. He'd probably be had for an affordable amount...and would definately be better then someone like Cedeno, then just find a way to take some other problem off the Mets and you'd be in good shape, imo. I want a guy that can go get em and your right, moving from Safeco will definately increase his production.

[witesoxfan]

Going on that theory you could easily say the Marlins didn't have the pitching to make it to the series. 

 

But Brando I do agree Cameron would be such a sweet pickup to play center.  He'd probably be had for an affordable amount...and would definately be better then someone like Cedeno, then just find a way to take some other problem off the Mets and you'd be in good shape, imo.  I want a guy that can go get em and your right, moving from Safeco will definately increase his production.

The only way we have a chance in hell of getting Cameron is if we not only overpay for him, but KW apologizes for the way this organization treated him like s*** when trading him.

[greg775]

I will not comment any more about Maggs' trades.

It depresses me too much.

 

Whatever will be will be.

I love the guy and want him to be a Soxxx forever, but

if he must go, so be it I guess.

 

The Yanks would be smart to grab him.

He's gonna win some World Series' before he's done.

[Chisoxfn]

The only way we have a chance in hell of getting Cameron is if we not only overpay for him, but KW apologizes for the way this organization treated him like s*** when trading him.

On the plus side, KW wasn't the GM at that time. It was wrong how he was treated, but kind words and the ability to play in a big market and get on a ton of highlight shows could be reason enough for him to come back. Especially because I believe the Sox have a manager he'd like to play for. I think a lot of fun to watch players will like to come to the Sox. Of course you have to get JR and KW to be smart with the money they have and try to get JR to pony up a bit more, but the Sox could dfeinately position themselves to have an OF of Reed, Cameron, Maggs next year and afford to have good pitching too.

 

And do it at like 53 mill. I swear I could at least throw so many ideas to KW and just let him and his people here them out so at least they see where soem of us are coming from.

 

My wish list include Perez...another starter along with Perez...two quality relievers....Mike Cameron.

 

Thats it.

[BrandoFan]

Going on that theory you could easily say the Marlins didn't have the pitching to make it to the series.

 

They didn't! It was a fluke, God love them.

 

They were literally a couple of 2-out strikes away from getting eliminated by the Giants in NLDS; Alou should have gone with Shmidt in Game 4.

 

They were also two beautiful defensive stops by Alex Gonzalez in Game 1 away from getting swept by the Cubs. SWEPT!

 

Finally, at least 3 of their 4 wins against the Yankees couldn't been any closer (while both of the Yankee wins were lopsided), certainly very lose-able.

 

Let's face it: if the 2003 playoffs were replayed 10 times, 8 times Marlins don't even make it to WS let alone win it..... Very much comparable to 2002-2003 Anaheim Mighty Ducks' improbable, OT win-ridden playoff run, which they wouldn't duplicate in a million years.

 

Florida's wonderful pitching? If you recall, just prior to Game 5 of NLCS, Marlin people were literally freaking out: one by one Penny, Redman, Beckett and Willis ALL BOMBED , which is why they had to resort to using Pavano who was mediocre in the regular season.

 

In any case, Florida was clearly the exception, like the 2000 Sox. Why don't you look at other smaller-payroll teams instead: Montreal, Pittburgh, Cincinnati, Milwakee, KC, San Diego, Anaheim, Minnesota, Toronto. Even Oakland for that matter. THAT's what most likely awaits the Sox if they are not at least proactive near deadlines, beefing up their rotation.

[Chisoxfn]

Well the best rotation in baseball has got to be the Cubs, especially if the Yanks lose Pettite, Rocket and then Boomer goes elsewhere or retires.

 

The Sox still have Elo (If he pitches like last year...thats an ace...but no guarantees...of course at the same time there is no guarantee that Colon wins 20 which we all assumed entering this year and people have assumed that many times. Show me a staff 5 strong with options in case of injuries (Ie..Wright, Scho, Cotts, Rauch) and then I'll be impressed with the chances of making the playoffs cause once your there anything CAN happen.

 

A rotation of

Elo

Buerhle

Perez (Whose pretty good, imo)

Garland

Insert 5th (Sign or Trade) but I want a quality pitcher, not an ace

 

Thats a team with a few potential aces (I'd list the 4 guys all capable of throwing a dominant start or two..who knows if it will happen but they all got the stuff and they will keep ya in games). Mix that with a strong strong pen and your definately in position to go somewhere. Have a great defense and now your really talking...have great baserunners and some guys that can make things happen with the bat (hit and run...go with the ball...basically good situational hitters) and your gonna have a team ready to compete for it all, imo. An ace would be nice but not many teams have the luxury of having a few aces. Heck, the Sox had 3 aces last year and where did it get them?

[BrandoFan]

Well the best rotation in baseball has got to be the Cubs, especially if the Yanks lose Pettite, Rocket and then Boomer goes elsewhere or retires

 

Before 2003 began, I said Mark Prior was a future HOF'er. You guys roasted me over the Foreman grill...LMAO.

 

 

Kerry Wood, Clement, Cruz and Zambrano on the other hand? Overhyped.

[ApplingsRevenge]

I think Magglio for Percival and Erstad would be disastrous for us. I don't think it gives us anywhere near real value for Ordonez. I am definitely in for moving Ordonez because we cannot afford him at our present payroll that seems to be inflexible. Ordonez for Soriano makes more sense for the talent return, Soriano's strikeouts included. He at least provides the possiblity of greatness with some guaranteed power production at a reduced price. Percival? Great pitcher, but you don't trade a player like Ordonez with the primary return being a closer. Erstad? His career's ship has sailed, ladies and gentlemen, and with that salary, don't you think the right move would be to just keep Everett for 1 million more per year? Williams should quell his erection for Erstad (if the rumors are true), sign Everett (sigh...I know it won't happen) and move Ordonez in a few weeks when the bidding goes up. Worst case scenario: Ordonez stays with the Sox, which is fine with me if we negotiate a REASONABLE extension to keep him here for the next 4-5 years.

 

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