Dodgers interested in Robert, Crochet, Pham

[smellysox]

  On 7/22/2024 at 3:05 AM, Chicago White Sox said:

I don’t see how the Mariners don’t ultimately trade for Robert.

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Alot of people seem to be overlooking them a bit.  They are buyers. Looking for an of help.  Bleacher Report  just ranked them the best farm system post draft.  And we're pretty high before the draft.  Very well could be a match up for Robert.

[Rey21]

  On 7/22/2024 at 11:35 AM, smellysox said:

Alot of people seem to be overlooking them a bit.  They are buyers. Looking for an of help.  Bleacher Report  just ranked them the best farm system post draft.  And we're pretty high before the draft.  Very well could be a match up for Robert.

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I think Getz is gonna ask for more than even the Mariners would be willing to give up. I have always felt that the M’s and Randy Arozarena are the perfect match and he shouldn’t cost as much as Robert would. For me it’s the Phillies or potentially a package deal of Robert and Crochet to the O’s for a massive haul including Coby Mayo and Heston Kjerstad 

[southsider2k5]

  On 7/22/2024 at 3:05 AM, Chicago White Sox said:

I don’t see how the Mariners don’t ultimately trade for Robert.

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I wonder if they already missed their window.  They might actually be in full collapse. 

[Chicago White Sox]

  On 7/22/2024 at 1:18 PM, southsider2k5 said:

I wonder if they already missed their window.  They might actually be in full collapse. 

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Maybe, but they are still tied for the division lead and are only 2.5 games out of the Wild Card.  I can’t see them wasting a year of this pitching staff when they have a loaded farm system they can tap into to get offensive reinforcements.

[Bob Sacamano]

  On 7/22/2024 at 1:41 PM, Chicago White Sox said:

Maybe, but they are still tied for the division lead and are only 2.5 games out of the Wild Card.  I can’t see them wasting a year of this pitching staff when they have a loaded farm system they can tap into to get offensive reinforcements.

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Come on JeDi! Do your thing!

[GreenSox]

  On 7/22/2024 at 4:55 AM, WestEddy said:

Well, he's a LF, and I don't think Benintendi's going anywhere. I go back and forth between Sheets and Vaughn being gone, and both making the OD roster next year. 

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At least one of them needs to go. Benintendi would be first choice.  They can’t lay it all on Eloy, Moncada, and Anderson.  Shake things up.  Don’t general manage like Pedro manages. 

As for Robert, again, the Mariners lead the league in strikeouts. On the front office show on the radio yesterday, their general manager said their biggest problem was too many strikeouts. Robert doesn’t help them there.

getting a player who can immediately play back in a trade is probably a good idea for an extra piece. But not a player on a short term contract. Outman from the Dodgers would be fine. If you make a trade with the Phillies, taking back, their centerfielder would be fine.

Edited July 22, 2024 by GreenSox

[ChiSox59]

I don't think that the Sox are going to move Robert this summer (maybe moreso hoping they won't at this point).  They have too much control to sell low.  I understand the injury risk, but they control him 3.5 more seasons.  I feel like they can get the same for him in the winter following the 2025 season than they could right now.  Its a shame he's been fairly meh this season. 

[Chicago White Sox]

  On 7/22/2024 at 2:16 PM, ChiSox59 said:

I don't think that the Sox are going to move Robert this summer (maybe moreso hoping they won't at this point).  They have too much control to sell low.  I understand the injury risk, but they control him 3.5 more seasons.  I feel like they can get the same for him in the winter following the 2025 season than they could right now.  Its a shame he's been fairly meh this season. 

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I think he’s gone before the deadline.  We have seen a pretty big change in the way teams value prospects and I feel like it takes both a legit playoff race and the limited supply that comes with the trade deadline to get many GMs to go outside their comfort zone.  Right now, there are a ton of potential buyers and very few sellers that potentially creates a very favorable environment to move Robert.  And I’m not sure that the buyer pool will be radically different come this offseason, but the sense of urgency to trade a ton of prospects for Robert could very well be less.  I think you sell now if you can get 90% of fair value.

[caulfield12]

  On 7/22/2024 at 1:57 PM, GreenSox said:

At least one of them needs to go. Benintendi would be first choice.  They can’t lay it all on Eloy, Moncada, and Anderson.  Shake things up.  Don’t general manage like Pedro manages. 

As for Robert, again, the Mariners lead the league in strikeouts. On the front office show on the radio yesterday, their general manager said their biggest problem was too many strikeouts. Robert doesn’t help them there.

getting a player who can immediately play back in a trade is probably a good idea for an extra piece. But not a player on a short term contract. Outman from the Dodgers would be fine. If you make a trade with the Phillies, taking back, their centerfielder would be fine.

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Their CF is terrible.

[caulfield12]

  On 7/22/2024 at 2:26 PM, Chicago White Sox said:

I think he’s gone before the deadline.  We have seen a pretty big change in the way teams value prospects and I feel like it takes both a legit playoff race and the limited supply that comes with the trade deadline to get many GMs to go outside their comfort zone.  Right now, there are a ton of potential buyers and very few sellers that potentially creates a very favorable environment to move Robert.  And I’m not sure that the buyer pool will be radically different come this offseason, but the sense of urgency to trade a ton of prospects for Robert could very well be less.  I think you sell now if you can get 90% of fair value.

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Plus more teams will join the sellers list in the next two weeks.

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Others to watch if their teams drop in the standings

Cubs: Jameson Taillon, Nico Hoerner, *Christopher Morel, Hector Neris, Drew Smyly

D-backs: Christian Walker, Paul Sewald, *Joc Pederson, *Randal Grichuk, Ryan Thompson

Giants: *Michael Conforto, Taylor Rogers, Tyler Rogers, *Mike Yastrzemski, LaMonte Wade Jr., 

Pirates: Aroldis Chapman, Martin Perez, *Michael A. Taylor, Rowdy Tellez, Yasmani Grandal, *Connor Joe

Rangers: Michael Lorenzen, Andrew Heaney, Nathan Eovaldi, David Robertson, Kirby Yates, Jon Gray, Jose Leclerc, Jose Urena

Reds: Frankie Montas, Nick Martinez, Jonathan India, Justin Wilson, Brent Suter, Buck Farmer, Lucas Sims, Austin Slater

Currently on the Injured List

David Bednar, *Cody Bellinger, Paul Blackburn, Mike Clevinger, Alex Cobb, *Joey Gallo, Yimi Garcia, Braxton Garrett, Trevor Gott, Merrill Kelly, Isiah Kiner-Falefa, Jesus Luzardo, Tyler Mahle, Jordan Montgomery, Luis Rengifo, Ross Stripling, *Mike Tauchman, *Abraham Toro, Trevor Williams, Alex Wood

Edited July 22, 2024 by caulfield12

[Squirmin' for Yermin]

  On 7/22/2024 at 2:26 PM, Chicago White Sox said:

I think he’s gone before the deadline.  We have seen a pretty big change in the way teams value prospects and I feel like it takes both a legit playoff race and the limited supply that comes with the trade deadline to get many GMs to go outside their comfort zone.  Right now, there are a ton of potential buyers and very few sellers that potentially creates a very favorable environment to move Robert.  And I’m not sure that the buyer pool will be radically different come this offseason, but the sense of urgency to trade a ton of prospects for Robert could very well be less.  I think you sell now if you can get 90% of fair value.

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Plus I think Getz will jsut take whatever the best offer is to have him gone and assume no risk.. Similar to what I believe he did for Cease

[Bob Sacamano]

  On 7/22/2024 at 2:41 PM, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

Plus I think Getz will jsut take whatever the best offer is to have him gone and assume no risk.. Similar to what I believe he did for Cease

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Yeah, I kinda feel like they want to move on from the last core ASAP.

Edited July 22, 2024 by Bob Sacamano

[southsider2k5]

  On 7/22/2024 at 2:41 PM, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

Plus I think Getz will jsut take whatever the best offer is to have him gone and assume no risk.. Similar to what I believe he did for Cease

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I haven't seen anything to tell me that Getz has the stones to wait out a proper deal.

[Squirmin' for Yermin]

  On 7/22/2024 at 2:59 PM, southsider2k5 said:

I haven't seen anything to tell me that Getz has the stones to wait out a proper deal.

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Agreed. I totally think they knew internally Cease was gone by opening day and just took the best offer they had.

[Chicago White Sox]

  On 7/22/2024 at 2:35 PM, caulfield12 said:

Plus more teams will join the sellers list in the next two weeks.

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Others to watch if their teams drop in the standings

Cubs: Jameson Taillon, Nico Hoerner, *Christopher Morel, Hector Neris, Drew Smyly

D-backs: Christian Walker, Paul Sewald, *Joc Pederson, *Randal Grichuk, Ryan Thompson

Giants: *Michael Conforto, Taylor Rogers, Tyler Rogers, *Mike Yastrzemski, LaMonte Wade Jr., 

Pirates: Aroldis Chapman, Martin Perez, *Michael A. Taylor, Rowdy Tellez, Yasmani Grandal, *Connor Joe

Rangers: Michael Lorenzen, Andrew Heaney, Nathan Eovaldi, David Robertson, Kirby Yates, Jon Gray, Jose Leclerc, Jose Urena

Reds: Frankie Montas, Nick Martinez, Jonathan India, Justin Wilson, Brent Suter, Buck Farmer, Lucas Sims, Austin Slater

Currently on the Injured List

David Bednar, *Cody Bellinger, Paul Blackburn, Mike Clevinger, Alex Cobb, *Joey Gallo, Yimi Garcia, Braxton Garrett, Trevor Gott, Merrill Kelly, Isiah Kiner-Falefa, Jesus Luzardo, Tyler Mahle, Jordan Montgomery, Luis Rengifo, Ross Stripling, *Mike Tauchman, *Abraham Toro, Trevor Williams, Alex Wood

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We’re eight days from the deadline…I’m sure a few more will enter but a few bubble teams seem to be leaning towards buying now.

Edited July 22, 2024 by Chicago White Sox

[southsider2k5]

  On 7/22/2024 at 3:15 PM, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

Agreed. I totally think they knew internally Cease was gone by opening day and just took the best offer they had.

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And then crazy amount of pointless roster churning this year, and losing players in the process for nothing is another strike.

[Y2Jimmy0]

  On 7/22/2024 at 2:41 PM, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

Plus I think Getz will jsut take whatever the best offer is to have him gone and assume no risk.. Similar to what I believe he did for Cease

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Really? I don’t feel this way at all. They’ll kill these trades or they won’t make them in my opinion. They didn’t want to incur the risk on keeping Cease but that was a good deal and by far their best offer. 

  On 7/22/2024 at 2:59 PM, southsider2k5 said:

I haven't seen anything to tell me that Getz has the stones to wait out a proper deal.

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I believe he did this with Cease already so I don’t see why not. 

[southsider2k5]

  On 7/22/2024 at 5:24 PM, Y2Jimmy0 said:

Really? I don’t feel this way at all. They’ll kill these trades or they won’t make them in my opinion. They didn’t want to incur the risk on keeping Cease but that was a good deal and by far their best offer. 

I believe he did this with Cease already so I don’t see why not. 

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For Crochet specifically, I see the risk WAY higher than was on Cease.

[Rusty_Kuntz]

I think the teams that line up the best are:

SEA for Robert. Emerson, Montes, and maybe Peete and Morales. 

BAL for Crochet. Basallo, Norby, and Fabian. 

MIL for Fedde. Pratt and Letson. 

I think Kopech to PHI makes a lot of sense too. Maybe Rincones. 

Of course I doubt all that happens though. 

[peanut33tillman]

  On 7/22/2024 at 2:16 PM, ChiSox59 said:

I don't think that the Sox are going to move Robert this summer (maybe moreso hoping they won't at this point).  They have too much control to sell low.  I understand the injury risk, but they control him 3.5 more seasons.  I feel like they can get the same for him in the winter following the 2025 season than they could right now.  Its a shame he's been fairly meh this season. 

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Yea I don’t think Sox move Robert until the winter. I think Crochet is gone before next Tuesday though. 

[chitownsportsfan]

Crochet is not Cease and they need to not approach trading him like Cease. You either get a haul or you just shut him down and wait until the offseason.

The risk for Cease was pitching 150 innings for you and getting hurt in one of them and/or not pitching like anything other than a 4th starter. The risk with Garrett is like probably 30 innings rest of year and unless he gets hurt with his stuff there's no way he's going to pitch as anything other than a TOR guy.

Edited July 22, 2024 by chitownsportsfan

[Y2Jimmy0]

  On 7/22/2024 at 5:28 PM, southsider2k5 said:

For Crochet specifically, I see the risk WAY higher than was on Cease.

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Oh see I don’t. There was risk that Cease wouldn’t pitch well. Crochet is healthy and awesome. I don’t really see much risk with him outside of the innings load, shutdown etc. 

[southsider2k5]

  On 7/22/2024 at 5:54 PM, Y2Jimmy0 said:

Oh see I don’t. There was risk that Cease wouldn’t pitch well. Crochet is healthy and awesome. I don’t really see much risk with him outside of the innings load, shutdown etc. 

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Conditioning and a long injury history are major concerns for Crochet.

[oldsox]

  On 7/22/2024 at 5:56 PM, southsider2k5 said:

Conditioning and a long injury history are major concerns for Crochet.

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He looks to be in great shape to me.

[chitownsportsfan]

  On 7/22/2024 at 5:59 PM, oldsox said:

He looks to be in great shape to me.

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He's in excellent condition. He's built like a horse. Him and Robert stood out from a physical standpoint in the dugout when I was 20-30 feet away at the game.