WestEddy Posted July 22, 2024 Share Posted July 22, 2024 On 7/22/2024 at 6:01 PM, chitownsportsfan said: He's in excellent condition. He's built like a horse. Him and Robert stood out from a physical standpoint in the dugout when I was 20-30 feet away at the game. Expand Yeah, some keep portraying Crochet as frail, dude's a tree. Insider guys have talked about how he finally looks healthy for the first time in his pro career. If there was going to be a problem, it probably would have happened where it did in the past - somewhere between 10-20 IP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 22, 2024 Share Posted July 22, 2024 (edited) On 7/22/2024 at 6:06 PM, WestEddy said: Yeah, some keep portraying Crochet as frail, dude's a tree. Insider guys have talked about how he finally looks healthy for the first time in his pro career. If there was going to be a problem, it probably would have happened where it did in the past - somewhere between 10-20 IP. Expand Not really a mechanics guy but didn't he clean up some of the problems with his delivery that were putting too much strain on his elbow? I dunno, he looks as healthy as a dude stretching the limits of the human body by firing a baseball 100mph can imo. Yea he's an injury risk, but all pitchers are, right? Like compare him to Kopech, who is constantly figuring out how to tweak something in his lower body from the mound. Edited July 22, 2024 by chitownsportsfan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 22, 2024 Author Share Posted July 22, 2024 On 7/22/2024 at 5:59 PM, oldsox said: He looks to be in great shape to me. Expand He is not conditioned to pitch a full MLB season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted July 22, 2024 Share Posted July 22, 2024 On 7/22/2024 at 6:12 PM, southsider2k5 said: He is not conditioned to pitch a full MLB season. Expand I have no idea what he's conditioned for. What I know for certain is that ever since we started managing innings, injuries are up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted July 22, 2024 Share Posted July 22, 2024 The Dodgers don't even have enough to get crochet alone imo. They just don't match up well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 22, 2024 Share Posted July 22, 2024 Not saying this is a package i'd take for crochet but while the top has positions and profiles that aren't great fits for sox, Zyhir Hope and Joendry Vargas would be guys I'd love to have on the sox. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 22, 2024 Author Share Posted July 22, 2024 On 7/22/2024 at 6:24 PM, Look at Ray Ray Run said: I have no idea what he's conditioned for. What I know for certain is that ever since we started managing innings, injuries are up. Expand Even his employers don't feel he is conditioned for a full season as a starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 22, 2024 Author Share Posted July 22, 2024 On 7/22/2024 at 6:06 PM, WestEddy said: Yeah, some keep portraying Crochet as frail, dude's a tree. Insider guys have talked about how he finally looks healthy for the first time in his pro career. If there was going to be a problem, it probably would have happened where it did in the past - somewhere between 10-20 IP. Expand He's portrayed that way because he has had injuries literally every year of his professional career until now, plus going back to his college career he had injuries then as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted July 22, 2024 Share Posted July 22, 2024 On 7/22/2024 at 6:31 PM, southsider2k5 said: Even his employers don't feel he is conditioned for a full season as a starter. Expand Sure, but not a lot of data supporting the conclusions of his employers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 22, 2024 Share Posted July 22, 2024 On 7/22/2024 at 6:10 PM, chitownsportsfan said: Not really a mechanics guy but didn't he clean up some of the problems with his delivery that were putting too much strain on his elbow? I dunno, he looks as healthy as a dude stretching the limits of the human body by firing a baseball 100mph can imo. Yea he's an injury risk, but all pitchers are, right? Like compare him to Kopech, who is constantly figuring out how to tweak something in his lower body from the mound. Expand I think it had much more to do with the UCL reconstruction rehab. Taking to time to really do that strengthening and conditioning helps. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted July 22, 2024 Share Posted July 22, 2024 On 7/22/2024 at 6:06 PM, WestEddy said: Yeah, some keep portraying Crochet as frail, dude's a tree. Insider guys have talked about how he finally looks healthy for the first time in his pro career. If there was going to be a problem, it probably would have happened where it did in the past - somewhere between 10-20 IP. Expand His pro career started in 2020. Were in 2024. That's not a ringing endorsement for his durability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 22, 2024 Share Posted July 22, 2024 On 7/22/2024 at 6:24 PM, Look at Ray Ray Run said: I have no idea what he's conditioned for. What I know for certain is that ever since we started managing innings, injuries are up. Expand There's a difference between limiting the innings of healthy, conditioned pitchers and someone who has never pitched more than 50 innings in any one season and is coming off UCL reconstruction. In general, i agree with you but Crochet is not the typical case. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 22, 2024 Author Share Posted July 22, 2024 On 7/22/2024 at 6:46 PM, T R U said: His pro career started in 2020. Were in 2024. That's not a ringing endorsement for his durability. Expand He has pitched more innings in this one season than he had in 2020, 2021, 2022, and 2023 combined, even including his college innings. The fact that anyone would see it weird to question a guys health history in this circumstance is bizarre. He is the definition of an injury history. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 22, 2024 Share Posted July 22, 2024 On 7/22/2024 at 6:44 PM, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Sure, but not a lot of data supporting the conclusions of his employers. Expand Sure there is. Did you listen to the podcast, I posted? We do know that the volume of pitching increases the likelihood of injury. Not just the number of innings but the number of innings combined with the intensity. Today's pitchers throw max velocity far too much. This is where the likelihood of injury increases. So one if 2 things has to decrease, either intensity or the mount of work. They don't want to decrease velocity, they want to increase it. So the question is what constitutes the amount of work, innings, number of pitches, number of bullpen sessions? These are the questions that remain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted July 22, 2024 Share Posted July 22, 2024 On 7/22/2024 at 6:32 PM, southsider2k5 said: He's portrayed that way because he has had injuries literally every year of his professional career until now, plus going back to his college career he had injuries then as well. Expand And he's never had time to fully recover until TJS. Now he has, and doesn't look frail at all. If he was such an injury risk, one would think that he would have a problem somewhere before 100 innings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted July 22, 2024 Share Posted July 22, 2024 On 7/22/2024 at 5:56 PM, southsider2k5 said: Conditioning and a long injury history are major concerns for Crochet. Expand He's already had Tommy John though. I don't think he's an injury risk right now more than any other pitcher would be from being a pitcher. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted July 22, 2024 Share Posted July 22, 2024 On 7/22/2024 at 6:46 PM, T R U said: His pro career started in 2020. Were in 2024. That's not a ringing endorsement for his durability. Expand This is all like an essay proving that bumble bees can't fly. Yet, he's over 100 IP, and not exhibiting any issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 22, 2024 Author Share Posted July 22, 2024 On 7/22/2024 at 6:58 PM, WestEddy said: And he's never had time to fully recover until TJS. Now he has, and doesn't look frail at all. If he was such an injury risk, one would think that he would have a problem somewhere before 100 innings. Expand His 2020, 2021 and 2022 seasons had nothing to do with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 22, 2024 Share Posted July 22, 2024 On 7/22/2024 at 6:59 PM, WestEddy said: This is all like an essay proving that bumble bees can't fly. Yet, he's over 100 IP, and not exhibiting any issues. Expand He's also pitched 3/4 of his innings or so at almost zero stress. He hasn't had any set backs, hasn't even really had a "dead arm" period. I'd be worried about him if he was going to be pitching over 180 innings into the playoffs and putting max effort into pitches in October, but he ain't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 22, 2024 Share Posted July 22, 2024 (edited) On 7/22/2024 at 6:59 PM, Y2Jimmy0 said: He's already had Tommy John though. I don't think he's an injury risk right now more than any other pitcher would be from being a pitcher. Expand I think there is from fatigue and overuse due to his lack of previous workload. There may not be from game to game but here is from cumulative use. Edited July 22, 2024 by ptatc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted July 22, 2024 Share Posted July 22, 2024 On 7/22/2024 at 7:01 PM, southsider2k5 said: His 2020, 2021 and 2022 seasons had nothing to do with that. Expand I'm not sure if you're agreeing or not. He didn't have a 2022 season. My guess is he got injured in college, pitched through it in 2020 and 2021, finally succumbed to injury in the playoffs, got TJS, healed, had a minor inflammation setback, and is now at full strength - carrying the same risk as any other pitcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 22, 2024 Author Share Posted July 22, 2024 On 7/22/2024 at 7:11 PM, WestEddy said: I'm not sure if you're agreeing or not. He didn't have a 2022 season. My guess is he got injured in college, pitched through it in 2020 and 2021, finally succumbed to injury in the playoffs, got TJS, healed, had a minor inflammation setback, and is now at full strength - carrying the same risk as any other pitcher. Expand His injuries were not just his elbow to where you can blame his entire history on that one thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 22, 2024 Share Posted July 22, 2024 (edited) On 7/22/2024 at 7:11 PM, WestEddy said: I'm not sure if you're agreeing or not. He didn't have a 2022 season. My guess is he got injured in college, pitched through it in 2020 and 2021, finally succumbed to injury in the playoffs, got TJS, healed, had a minor inflammation setback, and is now at full strength - carrying the same risk as any other pitcher. Expand Any other pitcher who has only pitched 50 innings in any one season. Can someone who has only run a 5K race suddenly start running 100 mile ultra marathons? Sure, but do you think that cumulative trauma has a good chance to catch up to them? Do you want to take that chance with the talent of someone like Crochet? Edited July 22, 2024 by ptatc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 22, 2024 Share Posted July 22, 2024 On 7/22/2024 at 7:15 PM, ptatc said: Any other pitcher who has only pitched 50 innings in any one season. Can someone who has only run a 5K race suddenly start running 100 mole ultra marathons? Sure, but do you think that cumulative trauma has a good chance to catch up to them? Do you want to take that chance with the talent of someone like Crochet? Expand No. I will gladly cash my winnings now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted July 22, 2024 Share Posted July 22, 2024 On 7/22/2024 at 6:59 PM, WestEddy said: This is all like an essay proving that bumble bees can't fly. Yet, he's over 100 IP, and not exhibiting any issues. Expand You're right, everything looks good now. I guess we can close the book on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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