BrandoFan Posted November 12, 2003 Share Posted November 12, 2003 With all this talking about trades and economics and production projections and all that stuff, we need to remember that it's NOT going to be enough to simply reach postseason and go 3-and-out. Not after 86 years of futility. The team will be dismantled if they don't make postseason noise and make some serious money in a renovated park. So we need to have the BIG FOUR and all-field hitters who won't over-swing nor will s*** their pants under tremendous pressure in October. And sound defense. The 2004 White Sox team should be more about making it to AT LEAST ALCS and less about winning the pathetic ALCentral by 20 games. So far I don't trust Buerhle to pitch the second game of ALDS and I sure as hell don't think Garland is playoff material. We need a #2 and a #4 (10-12 Mill right there), making Garland a long man ala Pavano and Penny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnB Posted November 12, 2003 Share Posted November 12, 2003 I agree totally, I say we shopp Maggs/Lee/Konerko and try and get a solid veteran pitcher instead of what the rumors are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 12, 2003 Share Posted November 12, 2003 I agree totally, I say we shopp Maggs/Lee/Konerko and try and get a solid veteran pitcher instead of what the rumors are Maggs/Konerko or Lee/Koch need to be moved first, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wong & Owens Posted November 12, 2003 Share Posted November 12, 2003 With all this talking about trades and economics and production projections and all that stuff, we need to remember that it's NOT going to be enough to simply reach postseason and go 3-and-out. Not after 86 years of futility. The team will be dismantled if they don't make postseason noise and make some serious money in a renovated park. So we need to have BIG FOUR to and all-field hitters who won't over swing nor will s*** their pants under tremendous pressure in October. And sound defense. The 2004 White Sox team should be more about making it to AT LEAST ALCS and less about winning the pathetic ALCentral by 20 games. So far I don't trust Burhle to pitch the second game of ALDS and I sure as hell don't think Garland is playoff material. We need a #2 and #4 (10-12 right there), making Garland a long man ala Pavano and Penny. Garland is frustrating. I could see him winning game 7 of a W.S. on 3 days rest...or I could see him getting knocked out in the first inning at home vs. Detroit. I like Pavano, hopefully he'll stay away from those arm problems he'd been having. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted November 12, 2003 Author Share Posted November 12, 2003 The point was that the 2004 Sox need to be tailored for MAXIMUM playoff success ala Yankees and Marlins. I could live with winning the division by "only" 5-6 games (in fact I prefer Sox to go into playoffs battle-tested and not complacent) as long as we at the very least reach ALCS. Since we can only afford less than 60 Mill for payroll, the solution: get A LOT of extra talent before July 31st/August 31st deadlines for FRACTION of their cost. Example: getting Giles-type and Shilling-type or whatever other stud is willing to play for a winner SPECIFICALLY for playoff success ......and only paying them a THIRD/FOURTH of what they would normally cost. That means the team would need to be in the first place by 5-7 games after the ASB, with some attendance momentum for JR to reluctantly approve extra costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bighurt52235 Posted November 13, 2003 Share Posted November 13, 2003 The point was that the 2004 Sox need to be tailored for MAXIMUM playoff success ala Yankees and Marlins. I could live with winning the division by "only" 5-6 games (in fact I prefer Sox to go into playoffs battle-tested and not complacent) as long as we at the very least reach ALCS. Since we can only afford less than 60 Mill for payroll, the solution: get A LOT of extra talent before July 31st/August 31st deadlines for FRACTION of their cost. Example: getting Giles-type and Shilling-type or whatever other stud is willing to play for a winner SPECIFICALLY for playoff success ......and only paying them a THIRD/FOURTH of what they would normally cost. That means the team would need to be in the first place by 5-7 games after the ASB, with some attendance momentum for JR to reluctantly approve extra costs. I missed your BOLD and underlined words while you were away. Good to see them back in town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafacosta Posted November 13, 2003 Share Posted November 13, 2003 I missed your BOLD and underlined words while you were away. Good to see them back in town. I didnt miss a bit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted November 13, 2003 Author Share Posted November 13, 2003 I didnt miss a bit... Oh rafa, don't be coy. I know you love me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafacosta Posted November 14, 2003 Share Posted November 14, 2003 Oh rafa, don't be coy. I know you love me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted November 14, 2003 Author Share Posted November 14, 2003 I am legal now, don't mind if I do. Tell me something, though. When I was a kid I was dreaming about some day watching a great national soccer game in Azteka (huge Mexican stadium) and the one in Brazil which then seated about 220,000 fans. Since then they cut down capacity in almost half, no? Can you post pictures of it pre-renovations. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafacosta Posted November 14, 2003 Share Posted November 14, 2003 I am legal now, don't mind if I do. Tell me something, though. When I was a kid I was dreaming about some day watching a great national soccer game in Azteka (huge Mexican stadium) and the one in Brazil which then seated about 220,000 fans. Since then they cut down capacity in almost half, no? Can you post pictures of it pre-renovations. Thanks. I have to do a research on the internet for the pictures, but Maracanã is the stadium that, in the final of the 1950 World Cup between Brazil and Uruguay, had a around 200.000 fans to see the game. And both stadiums their capaciity is around 90.000 to 100.000. When i find something i will put in here for ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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