Chicago White Sox Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 6 minutes ago, bmags said: I think my reaction was mostly guided by feeling like I “saw the future” a few days ago (all the top prospects people were amazed by being traded a few days ago were all pitching driven, sellers were being more disciplined in settling for alternative options) and already coming to terms with it. Im just much more frustrated with the failure to turnover our hitting instruction meaningfully, our poor record in finding talent on the margins, and the attachment to veterans for zero reason in a lost year than these trades. I thought we had good timing in being sellers this year, but I don’t think we did. It also doesn’t matter until this s%*# org can take player development and international seriously. 100% agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 11 minutes ago, Harry Chappas said: So St Louis and the White Sox agree that Edman and Fedde match up so Getz goes out gets the Dodgers to pick up Edman's contract from St Louis and finds some prospects he likes with the Dodgers. Then St Louis says give us Pham as well....Getz says OK and then St Louis says give us some cash as well and Getz says OK. At that point I think St Louis just felt bad for Getz and ending asking for things. The Dodgers took a flyer on Edman and Kopech for those three guys. They have the luxury of doing that. If they thought highly of Vargas at all they would not have looked at Edman and then Rosario. I guess they did miss on the guy they traded to the cubs so who knows. Fairly certain Sox just picked up a little bit of Pham's $500k assignment bonus for being traded. Its probably safe to assume Pham had basically no surplus value and was in fact just a throw in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 29 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Vargas’ AAA StatCast figures are fascinating. For a guy known for his hit tool, his xBA is only .250 (vs. an actual BA of .290). This is much lower than most of the top AAA hitters despite K & Whiff rates in line or better than them (must be batted ball related, but that data is not available). However, his 19.9% BB rate helps offset this somewhat low average and pushes him to a xOBP to .413. But his high-end xwOBA isn’t just driven by his elite BB rate. He’s shown pretty good power figures demonstrated by his .276 ISO and .460 xSLG. But what’s super interesting (and maybe not good) is his hard contact rate of 35.3% is well below anyone putting up similar or better power figures and his Barrel rate of 5.8% is also on the low end for hitters in this area. Again, without batted ball data it’s hard to put the whole puzzle together, but at least his average launch angle of 21 degrees should theoretically be resulting in lots of line drives. The big question is how much of this is sustainable in the majors. His Statcast figures in the majors are putrid with poor quality of contact. And this year he has a pull % 16 points above league average which is clearly not sustainable and probably not helping given his profile. He has walked at very nice clips but well below that elite AAA level. If he can bump up the walk rate some and the quality of contact improves to a certain extent (which it should for a guy with a 65 hit tool), he’s going to be an above average hitter. I’m not sure he’s got the power you’re looking for in the middle of the order, but it feels like he could be a really nice top of the lineup table setter who provides a high OBP, pretty good speed, and probably average power. The lack of a position is obviously concerning, but it feels like he should have the tools to play a solid OF corner at some point his speed and arm. I know the OF is fairly new to him, but I would immediately put him in LF and let him get comfortable there (sorry Benintendi but you’re being relegated to worse DH in baseball history). He’s certainly not the sexiest of profiles and I don’t think Getz got all he could for the trio of players traded, but I feel like Vargas can be a nice piece of the puzzle if he can a defensive spot where he can be roughly average. A white sox comp for vargas with the bat is Magglio. I'd say that might be his ceiling but we can dream on it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie4Pres Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 What a joke this "organization" is. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 8 hours ago, Timmy U said: MLB had both guys listed as 50 ovr prospects in the Dodgers system. Now in the Sox system, they’re both listed as 45. I can't think of a reason to be upset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaff Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: A white sox comp for vargas with the bat is Magglio. I'd say that might be his ceiling but we can dream on it. That would be awesome, get him in the lineup and let him play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 6 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Fairly certain Sox just picked up a little bit of Pham's $500k assignment bonus for being traded. Its probably safe to assume Pham had basically no surplus value and was in fact just a throw in. I had completely forgotten about this. Good call. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 38 minutes ago, fathom said: My thought is Pham was given to the Cardinals for “free” since he didn’t have much interest, so the Sox sent him to a team he wanted to go to. He may have literally been sold for all we know about the ptbnl or cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supernuke Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 10 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: Maybe they have a few options and Miller is the way we be leaning. Don’t know why Bob would otherwise report that specific name. The deal was probably set to be done with Miller included when JR piped up and said how about some cash instead. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Feels like buying high on Vargas and selling low on Fedde. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolle Tide Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 3 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: We can definitely worked a trade for both of them. Mayo, Norby, Beavers, and a pitcher. Deal done. I don’t have a say … but I’d offer Basallo, Norby, Beaver, and Povich. The problem is …. The rumor is that Elias said he’s not dealing Mayo, Holliday, or Basallo. There was something mentioned about Kjerstad possibly being on the table. He’s going to hit 40 a year for some team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 After this I hope they are done. This is an example why they shouldn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SkokieSox Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 1 hour ago, Rolle Tide said: I don’t have a say … but I’d offer Basallo, Norby, Beaver, and Povich. The problem is …. The rumor is that Elias said he’s not dealing Mayo, Holliday, or Basallo. There was something mentioned about Kjerstad possibly being on the table. He’s going to hit 40 a year for some team. That is indeed a problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 19 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: I’m so excited. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 According to Fegan's story at Sox machine: "Rival evaluators were using descriptions for the White Sox package like "light", "weird" and "one of the weaker trade returns for highly sought after players that I've seen in a while." 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hi8is Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 1 hour ago, Rolle Tide said: I don’t have a say Ya don’t say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 2 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: According to Fegan's story at Sox machine: "Rival evaluators were using descriptions for the White Sox package like "light", "weird" and "one of the weaker trade returns for highly sought after players that I've seen in a while." Chris Getz, “Oops”. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 20 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Good lord. I knew it had to be something like this. This means the Sox continue to listen to Tosar even though they have built a historically bad offense. This might mean they are not going to clean house in the hitting side this winter. That thought terrifies me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 1 minute ago, Timmy U said: Good lord. I knew it had to be something like this. This means the Sox continue to listen to Tosar even though they have built a historically bad offense. This might mean they are not going to clean house in the hitting side this winter. That thought terrifies me. Don't forget we let Kenny and Rick make draft picks and trades weeks before they got fired. (all though after the way its gone since, thank god) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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hankchifan Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 5 hours ago, GreenSox said: OK, then we got ripped off on the Fedde/Pham side of the deal. If the reports are right that Getz agreed with Mozeliak that Edman was fair value for Fedde, then the starting point of this trade was incongruent and it’s easy to see how the White Sox got ripped off. Getz looks like a bad negotiator. He got Taken to the cleaners by STL and LA in this trade. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: The poor bastard... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 59 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: According to Fegan's story at Sox machine: "Rival evaluators were using descriptions for the White Sox package like "light", "weird" and "one of the weaker trade returns for highly sought after players that I've seen in a while." Even the professionals agree that it was a weak return. Oooof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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