Timmy U Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 3 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: Even the professionals agree that it was a weak return. Oooof. BA has the two prospects the Sox acquired out of their top 500. So... Lotto tickets. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 4 minutes ago, Timmy U said: BA has the two prospects the Sox acquired out of their top 500. So... Lotto tickets. #FacePalm Emoji Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 32 minutes ago, Timmy U said: BA has the two prospects the Sox acquired out of their top 500. So... Lotto tickets. Call it what it is, a salary dump. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 5 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: I can't think of a reason to be upset. They do often do prospect updates after trades. There no conspiracy lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 I had avoided looking at any Getz quotes about the trade until now. He really thinks he did a great job added offensive talent via this trade, doesn't he? Unbelievable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 8 minutes ago, wegner said: I had avoided looking at any Getz quotes about the trade until now. He really thinks he did a great job added offensive talent via this trade, doesn't he? Unbelievable. I'm sure he's gotten knocked down a peg or two after seeing the industry reactions to the trade. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ron883 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Not to be a dick (somewhat), but I'm honestly interested in Harold's reaction to this. He's Getz' biggest supporter, but he has been completely silent about this trade. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46DidIt Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 If Vargas is an above average starting infielder over the next five years, then this will have been a pretty good trade, in my opinion. Don’t really know how good Vargas is, so it’s hard to say at this juncture. Looking at the secondary pieces, their rankings are pretty disappointing, but at least they are high OBP type guys and I suspect Perez may be currently underrated. Getz has obviously put an emphasis on acquiring prospects with advanced on base skills at their age, which is good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 4 minutes ago, 46DidIt said: If Vargas is an above average starting infielder over the next five years, then this will have been a pretty good trade, in my opinion. Don’t really know how good Vargas is, so it’s hard to say at this juncture. Looking at the secondary pieces, their rankings are pretty disappointing, but at least they are high OBP type guys and I suspect Perez may be currently underrated. Getz has obviously put an emphasis on acquiring prospects with advanced on base skills at their age, which is good Every article that I have read about this trade says that the return was just not enough, especially in a sellers market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46DidIt Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 5 minutes ago, wegner said: Every article that I have read about this trade says that the return was just not enough, especially in a sellers market. Well yeah it doesn’t look great, but depends on how good Vargas actually is. If he is a high obp infielder with power, the Sox obviously can use that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baseball_gal_aly Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Now knowing that Vargas was a top 40 prospect going into last season, I'm not as pissed at this deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 2 minutes ago, baseball_gal_aly said: Now knowing that Vargas was a top 40 prospect going into last season, I'm not as pissed at this deal. Colas was a top 80. Things change 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baseball_gal_aly Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 1 minute ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Colas was a top 80. Things change Colas was like 85. I still don't know why they haven't given him a look at MLB this year. Find out something about the guy, jfc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nardiwashere Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 1 minute ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Colas was a top 80. Things change Vargas has an OPS over 1.000 in AAA this year. He's not Oscar Colas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 (edited) 13 minutes ago, baseball_gal_aly said: Now knowing that Vargas was a top 40 prospect going into last season, I'm not as pissed at this deal. The problem isn’t the player himself (assuming their evaluation is right), but that Getz paid for him like we was still a top 40 prospect with 6+ years of control. Edited July 30 by Chicago White Sox 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Colas didn't have near the level of consensus that Vargas had from evaluators and also has little track record of good play. Colas has only tanked his value since his high watermark in the rankings. Vargas had a tough run in MLB, then killed AAA pitching, and has held his own in a second cup of coffee in MLB. And is younger with more positional versatility and by all accounts, doesn't have s%*# for brains like Colas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baseball_gal_aly Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 9 minutes ago, Nardiwashere said: Vargas has an OPS over 1.000 in AAA this year. He's not Oscar Colas. it's also the PCL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 3 minutes ago, Jake said: Colas didn't have near the level of consensus that Vargas had from evaluators and also has little track record of good play. Colas has only tanked his value since his high watermark in the rankings. Vargas had a tough run in MLB, then killed AAA pitching, and has held his own in a second cup of coffee in MLB. And is younger with more positional versatility and by all accounts, doesn't have s%*# for brains like Colas. He didn’t really his own in the majors this year though. That wRC+ is a total mirage if you believe the Statcast data. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Just now, Chicago White Sox said: He didn’t really his own in the majors this year though. That wRC+ is a total mirage if you believe the Statcast data. The difference between his actual and expected production in '24 is not enough for me to strongly discount it in such a small sample size. Especially given his high pull rate this season, which tends to be a ticket for outperforming your expected stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxfan49 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 SD gave up Snelling, Pauley, Mazur & Beshears for Scott and Hoeing.. and the Sox still have Crochet because...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 9 minutes ago, soxfan49 said: SD gave up Snelling, Pauley, Mazur & Beshears for Scott and Hoeing.. and the Sox still have Crochet because...? Probably because Getz saw all the ridicule from the Fedde trade and is now going to overreact in the opposite direction. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Any word yet on what defensive position they’re going line Vargas up at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 On 7/29/2024 at 1:17 PM, southsider2k5 said: So do I have permission to question Chris Getz ability as a GM now? Chris is an eedyat-savant you guys just don't understand him. That worst record thingy is just to throw the opposition off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 3 minutes ago, Timmy U said: Any word yet on what defensive position they’re going line Vargas up at? 2B seems pretty likely… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 3 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: 2B seems pretty likely… Why? Have you heard anything? He didn’t play there all year in AAA. He is exceptionally bad at 2b. I hope to Odin that they’re not that stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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