southsider2k5 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaff Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 Head scratcher ? is this a salary dump? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 This trade wreaks of desperation and tells me ownership/the front office still thinks this can be turned around quickly. There’s no other explanation to value Vargas over other legit prospects that haven’t reached the majors yet. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 3 minutes ago, 2Deep said: I'm at a loss for words .................. Ass clown organization Run by An Ass clown owner GM'd by A Dumbass Managed by An Idiot Almost like it makes sense the big league team sucks and a lot of prospects are struggling 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: It was a senior moment for Bruce. It’s on the Sox official site now so I’m sure it’s correct… https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/erick-fedde-to-cardinals-tommy-edman-to-dodgers-in-3-team-trade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 And you guys were worried the Sox weren't making any trades. Someone take Getz phone from him. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 11 minutes ago, Timmy U said: I hate everything, but even in my wildest dreams it never occurred to me that they would ship out 3 guys, including a 2/3 starter with control, for this pile of garbage. There is not an mlb regular in our side of the deal at all. This is messed up. Can't Manfred block it? Favor to St. Louis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nardiwashere Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 It doesn't even make sense from the Dodgers POV. If STL isn't giving anything up besides Edman but getting the best guy in the trade, LAD look like fools too. They could have gotten Fedde and Pham and flipped them for someone like Edman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 3 prospects for 3 Major Leaguers is insane... And it's not like any of those prospects are really really good or anything. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo_Santiago81 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 Goetz just backtracked team to 2 more years of rebuild OMG 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 FWIW, Vargas's AAA xWOBA this season is .382 (note that AAA xwOBA are almost always lower than the actual wOBA). No Sox AAA player with as many at bats has had a season above .345 since tracking began in 2022 (and that player is 2024 Rafael Ortega...). Only 7 AAA players in 2024 have a higher xwOBA than Vargas this year and among that group is Kyle Manzardo and James Wood. The kid hits AAA pitching no matter how you want to spin it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 1 minute ago, Nardiwashere said: It doesn't even make sense from the Dodgers POV. If STL isn't giving anything up besides Edman but getting the best guy in the trade, LAD look like fools too. They could have gotten Fedde and Pham and flipped them for someone like Edman. They needed a strikeout reliever. Also, Edman is good against LHP, and that’s something they figure to see a lot of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 I am so confused. I just can't understand how STL gets Fedde for Edman. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 https://twitter.com/DrakeMann4/status/1817988778772107320 https://twitter.com/DrakeMann4/status/1817987763817603289 Player previews Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 2 minutes ago, Jake said: FWIW, Vargas's AAA xWOBA this season is .382 (note that AAA xwOBA are almost always lower than the actual wOBA). No Sox AAA player with as many at bats has had a season above .345 since tracking began in 2022 (and that player is 2024 Rafael Ortega...). Only 7 AAA players in 2024 have a higher xwOBA than Vargas this year and among that group is Kyle Manzardo and James Wood. The kid hits AAA pitching no matter how you want to spin it. Once again, in the heavily skewed offensive PCL league. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 7 minutes ago, 2Deep said: I'm at a loss for words .................. Ass clown organization Run by An Ass clown owner GM'd by A Dumbass Managed by An Idiot I think you can rework this into a haiku if you try 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 My understanding is the Cardinals prospects coming to the Sox have not yet been announced and players are still being informed. So I don't believe this is the final part of the move. Vargas is a pretty interesting guy though. I could be mistaken on the above - but as of now, it makes no sense without inclusion of Cardinals prospects. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 Just now, ChiSox59 said: I am so confused. I just can't understand how STL gets Fedde for Edman. I don't think STL can either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 Just now, ChiSox59 said: I am so confused. I just can't understand how STL gets Fedde for Edman. Same here, this makes no sense at all. Why are the Dodgers even facilitating this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 3 minutes ago, Jake said: FWIW, Vargas's AAA xWOBA this season is .382 (note that AAA xwOBA are almost always lower than the actual wOBA). No Sox AAA player with as many at bats has had a season above .345 since tracking began in 2022 (and that player is 2024 Rafael Ortega...). Only 7 AAA players in 2024 have a higher xwOBA than Vargas this year and among that group is Kyle Manzardo and James Wood. The kid hits AAA pitching no matter how you want to spin it. I'm sure the Knights will be thrilled.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 Sox were clearly targeting a high end prospect down on his luck, given their insistence on Walker from STL. Vargas makes sense from that perspective (MLB #37 in 2023), though I don't understand how this deal works out at all, given STL only gave up Edman. Getz got Getz'd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 Just now, Chisoxfn said: My understanding is the Cardinals prospects coming to the Sox have not yet been announced and players are still being informed. So I don't believe this is the final part of the move. Vargas is a pretty interesting guy though. I could be mistaken on the above - but as of now, it makes no sense without inclusion of Cardinals prospects. Have you heard this? Or you're just assuming because the framework doesn't make sense (which we all clearly agree) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 3 minutes ago, Nardiwashere said: It doesn't even make sense from the Dodgers POV. If STL isn't giving anything up besides Edman but getting the best guy in the trade, LAD look like fools too. They could have gotten Fedde and Pham and flipped them for someone like Edman. And aided what will very likely be a playoff opponent..as seemingly comes down to StL SD and NYM. Who knows, maybe the Braves collapse down the home stretch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 1 minute ago, Chisoxfn said: My understanding is the Cardinals prospects coming to the Sox have not yet been announced and players are still being informed. So I don't believe this is the final part of the move. Vargas is a pretty interesting guy though. I could be mistaken on the above - but as of now, it makes no sense without inclusion of Cardinals prospects. Everyone else is saying the deal is done. Where are you seeing there is more to go? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 2 minutes ago, Jake said: FWIW, Vargas's AAA xWOBA this season is .382 (note that AAA xwOBA are almost always lower than the actual wOBA). No Sox AAA player with as many at bats has had a season above .345 since tracking began in 2022 (and that player is 2024 Rafael Ortega...). Only 7 AAA players in 2024 have a higher xwOBA than Vargas this year and among that group is Kyle Manzardo and James Wood. The kid hits AAA pitching no matter how you want to spin it. Which would be great if winning the AAA world series was the goal. I'll be honest. The only thing I know about him was he was being told to not swing at pitches in spring training for some reason. You don't give away three cheap MLB productive players for that return. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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