XplodingScorbord Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 f*** me. I’m not one to be negative usually but how did the Cards fleece us so hard? Multiple teams looking at. Fedde and Kopech at a minimum, and you throw Pham in and get this return? Jeezus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 Just now, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Have you heard this? Or you're just assuming because the framework doesn't make sense (which we all clearly agree) Its being published on MLB.com and Whitesox.com and there is nothing at all noting were still waiting on Cardinals prospects. This is the deal sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 1 minute ago, Chisoxfn said: My understanding is the Cardinals prospects coming to the Sox have not yet been announced and players are still being informed. So I don't believe this is the final part of the move. Vargas is a pretty interesting guy though. I could be mistaken on the above - but as of now, it makes no sense without inclusion of Cardinals prospects. Then how come the Sox website posted the trade then? I hope you are right. How good is your source? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 2 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said: My understanding is the Cardinals prospects coming to the Sox have not yet been announced and players are still being informed. So I don't believe this is the final part of the move. Vargas is a pretty interesting guy though. I could be mistaken on the above - but as of now, it makes no sense without inclusion of Cardinals prospects. I hope you're right; but I would think just the fact that there would be prospects coming from St Lous would have been announced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 Remember when Hahn got Quero and Bush for a declining Giolito and ReyLo? 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 Reminds me of the Frazier/Kahnle/Robertson trade. That was the worst trade in Sox history at the time of it happening but I think this may pass it. Wow what an awful return. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 2 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said: My understanding is the Cardinals prospects coming to the Sox have not yet been announced and players are still being informed. So I don't believe this is the final part of the move. Vargas is a pretty interesting guy though. I could be mistaken on the above - but as of now, it makes no sense without inclusion of Cardinals prospects. Poor guys... pennant race to all time worst record chase in the blink of an eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigHurt3515 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 4 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: I am so confused. I just can't understand how STL gets Fedde for Edman. It makes zero sense. Even if Edman had been playing all year with his career averages I don't think he is worth Fedde straight up. Plus they got Pham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 Just now, Buehrle>Wood said: Reminds me of the Frazier/Kahnle/Robertson trade. That was the worst trade in Sox history at the time of it happening but I think this may pass it. Wow what an awful return. Just wait for the Crochet trade. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 1 minute ago, SoCalChiSox said: Then how come the Sox website posted the trade then? I hope you are right. How good is your source? I have no source on this. I heard that on local radio. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 12 minutes ago, DirtySox said: I think Doyle suggested he could get a look in CF? Bears could give him a look at Nickel too. Would be just as effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 What a trade for the Cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PorkChopExpress Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 7 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: I am so confused. I just can't understand how STL gets Fedde for Edman. Fedde AND Pham for Edman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 Just now, Flash said: What a trade for the Cards. Yeah straight up highway robbery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Hurtin Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 Vargas right now And, how on brand would it be if they agreed to trade for the wrong Vargas by mistake. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 3 minutes ago, Quin said: Remember when Hahn got Quero and Bush for a declining Giolito and ReyLo? ReyLo was declining? Or Sox couldn't figure out what to do with him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 I stand corrected. Cardinal's seemed to do pretty good here. I like Vargas - he's got real upside as a hitter and I think worse case he plays in the outfield....but that isn't thrilling. The key is going to be these young guys from the Dodgers. Only thing I can say is at least Getz went with the young, higher athletic potential upside and targeted some flyers...but this is a REAL light trade in my opinion if they are really are just getting these 3 guys for Fedde, Kopech, and Pham. Hopefully one of those guys is the next Tatis Jr. And I will say - prospect rankings on guys just coming over from the international scene can be pretty off. Not that the Sox deserve any benefit of the doubt here - however, this is the type of deal Hahn never makes (he never went that raw on a deal like this). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johno Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 This trade makes no sense, how could the Cardinals be sending us NOTHING!!! we just sent them a number two pitcher who has a year still on his contract. plus Pham!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XplodingScorbord Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 Maybe Getz just got out of a coma a realized the deadline was coming and he needed to get rid of some guys. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 4 minutes ago, Harry Chappas said: Which would be great if winning the AAA world series was the goal. I'll be honest. The only thing I know about him was he was being told to not swing at pitches in spring training for some reason. You don't give away three cheap MLB productive players for that return. I am guessing Pham had no trade value. Which makes sense frankly. Basically a 0 WAR player, league average hitter and isn't a good defender. Been bad for several weeks now, and still due a couple million (believe he has a $1M trade bonus), so perhaps he was just a salary dump. So if you look at is at Fedde for Vargas, and one of the low level IFs and Kopech for the other low level IFs, I guess it make slightly more sense if you wink like 50x. But still doesn't explain the STL/Edman side of it. Feels like LAD got hosed here too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 Footlong Comiskey Dog defending this trade is hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGajewski18 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 Chris Getz is bad at this job Shocking because he was never qualified for it in the first place 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 1 minute ago, Chisoxfn said: I stand corrected. Cardinal's seemed to do pretty good here. I like Vargas - he's got real upside as a hitter and I think worse case he plays in the outfield....but that isn't thrilling. The key is going to be these young guys from the Dodgers. Only thing I can say is at least Getz went with the young, higher athletic potential upside and targeted some flyers...but this is a REAL light trade in my opinion if they are really are just getting these 3 guys for Fedde, Kopech, and Pham. Hopefully one of those guys is the next Tatis Jr. And I will say - prospect rankings on guys just coming over from the international scene can be pretty off. Not that the Sox deserve any benefit of the doubt here - however, this is the type of deal Hahn never makes (he never went that raw on a deal like this). Vargas batted statcast data is terrible. That is real concerning with respect to his upside. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nardiwashere Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 Lolol if this is it (and I can't believe it is), its very funny that Orioles couldn't beat it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 Yep, this is definitely a move that will make them better in 2026 (for the people who actually believe they will be good in 2026 lol) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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