Tnetennba Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 19 minutes ago, fathom said: Just think of everything they’ve traded since last year’s deadline and what they have to show for it? Outside of Angels trade, it’s been a shitshow Yup. With a limited number of trade assets, Getz has burned several while not getting a single foundational piece to build with going forward. How exactly are they going to build a contending team again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 Can we go back in time and offer Fedde for Jordan Walker in a one-for-one swap without the lesser prospects? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 So as I see it, Getz thought the closer we got to the trade deadline, the more he'd get. Meanwhile, the other GMs knew if they waited he would give in. Alternatively, this is the return Getz wanted and that seems worse. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 I’m going to go get on watching Vargas videos from 2022 or some s%*# to become once again delusional and ignorantly hopeful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 1 minute ago, wegner said: Alternatively, this is the return Getz wanted and that seems worse. Pretty sure this is the case as the guys we got back check his boxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 1 minute ago, Tnetennba said: Yup. With a limited number of trade assets, Getz has burned several while not getting a single foundational piece to build with going forward. How exactly are they going to build a contending team again? I’m not accepting Drew Thrope write offs already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 16 minutes ago, Tony said: Huh? https://x.com/johndenton555/status/1818034898139234523?s=46&t=Nd9oJCYs4TMp8_32NrPiMA What the s%*#? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 The only thing that makes sense here is the Sox convinced themselves they were getting a deal on Vargas. But if that's the case I'm willing to bet they could have had it for just Kopech if they just let that offer sit for a while. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 1 minute ago, PaleAleSox said: I’m not accepting Drew Thrope write offs already. I assume most people are talking about offensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 5 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: That makes far more sense. Yes it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 3 minutes ago, wegner said: So as I see it, Getz thought the closer we got to the trade deadline, the more he'd get. Meanwhile, the other GMs knew if they waited he would give in. Alternatively, this is the return Getz wanted and that seems worse. Does this make him captain too patient? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XplodingScorbord Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 25 minutes ago, Jake said: I remarked to a friend the other day that the only person who I am fairly confident knows what they are doing is Brian Bannister — the problem is if I know that, surely everyone in baseball knows that Bannister is good too. So what are the chances he gets poached? At this point, I have to think even a lateral move would be tempting to him but maybe the Sox are offering something to him that he wouldn't get elsewhere. Chicago style pizza, Chicago dogs, and Italian beefs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 Strongly suspect what was intended with the comment in the confusing tweet was the Sox agreed that they would probably accept a trade in which the Sox accept the prospect return for Edman as the prospect return for Fedde Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 I don’t really understand what Getz is doing with his transactions. I could understand Pham and Kopech not having much value, but I am having a tough time understanding how them with Fedde yielded such a low return. This organization is going to be in the wilderness for some time if they don’t make moves that make sense or develop talent. Can’t wait for Bears season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 Just now, ptatc said: Does this make him captain too patient? Nah, it’s just further proof that he is who we thought he was — a bad GM. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 14 minutes ago, Tony said: Huh? https://x.com/johndenton555/status/1818034898139234523?s=46&t=Nd9oJCYs4TMp8_32NrPiMA 2.7 fWAR TOR starter for ten teams in MLB today, #19 ranked after foolishly getting started this last time out 2.7 and trending towards a 4. What does he have... something like 1/4th of team wins? If that's how we value pitching... giving it away for free, why even draft Smith over Cags? The fans of a 120 less team would much rather see some exciting hitters if you have zero speed defense bullpen, etc. Fucking dumbest 1 to 1 evaluation of talent since Brock for Broglio. They will start calling the Sox the No Tool team with Robert gone. Bob from Berwyn or whatever his name has to be contacted by all the local radio call-in programs to rant away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 4 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: I’m not accepting Drew Thrope write offs already. I'm not ready to call him a foundation piece until he proves he can get Major League hitters once they see his stuff more than once. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 1 minute ago, Jake said: Strongly suspect what was intended with the comment in the confusing tweet was the Sox agreed that they would probably accept a trade in which the Sox accept the prospect return for Edman as the prospect return for Fedde Isn't valuing them as equivalent assets baseball malpractice? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 2 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Nah, it’s just further proof that he is who we thought he was — a bad GM. Not just bad, but an utterly incompetent baseball person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 Just now, Tnetennba said: Not just bad, but an utterly incompetent baseball person. Never thought I’d rather have the hall of fame baseball person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 Just now, caulfield12 said: Isn't valuing them as equivalent assets baseball malpractice? I don't know. As soon as I heard we did a three-way deal with the Cardinals I suspected there was a chance the industry valued those two guys the same (although I remain fuzzy on Edman's injury status) but I was hopeful the Sox could get more for Fedde. But can't rule out the possibility that teams just aren't that high on Fedde given his long track record of being terrible before this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 (edited) 5 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: 2.7 fWAR TOR starter for ten teams in MLB today, #19 ranked after foolishly getting started this last time out 2.7 and trending towards a 4. What does he have... something like 1/4th of team wins? If that's how we value pitching... giving it away for free, why even draft Smith over Cags? The fans of a 120 less team would much rather see some exciting hitters if you have zero speed defense bullpen, etc. Fucking dumbest 1 to 1 evaluation of talent since Brock for Broglio. They will start calling the Sox the No Tool team with Robert gone. Bob from Berwyn or whatever his name has to be contacted by all the local radio call-in programs to rant away. Berto from the west side, dude! And I sure hope he makes a follow-up call after this trade deadline. Edited July 29 by WhiteSox2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 1 minute ago, Jake said: I don't know. As soon as I heard we did a three-way deal with the Cardinals I suspected there was a chance the industry valued those two guys the same (although I remain fuzzy on Edman's injury status) but I was hopeful the Sox could get more for Fedde. But can't rule out the possibility that teams just aren't that high on Fedde given his long track record of being terrible before this season. Edman wasn’t great last year and is hurt and hasn’t played at all this year, there’s no way he would have the same value as Fede right now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 39 minutes ago, ptatc said: I agree. The really did well to get out of that contract and get a good starting pitcher. I would argue if the SS is no longer a SS and all they are getting is a bat plus the contract, than the Dodgers did just as bad as the Sox, if not worse. Cause I do think Vargas and the other 2 is pretty good value for Kopech on his own (and I do expect Kopech at some point will put together a good run). So that is the part that kind of has me puzzled - maybe league just wasn't going to give up a lot for Fedde so it came down to which best prospect in any deal did Sox like the most. I don't know who the others were. Vargas is a big leaguer who has a hit tool that hasn't shown up (but his actual hitting tool is pretty good) and he had gotten pulled around a bit by the Dodgers. Any which way - I think we all agree that its a good deal for Cardinals - they get a potential playoff run with Fedde plus next year on a cost control deal. I'm still puzzled - can't really find a lot to be excited about, but I definitely could see a scenario where Vargas ends up a 3 WAR type of outfielder or 2B type (or a guy who can do a bit of both but get tons of at bats so a 3 WAR versality guy). I suppose potentially better - maybe 4 WAR (I kind of limit his upside there because he isn't getting plus points for his defense). But he should be a decent base runner, etc so not like they are getting Eloy in the field / on the bases (and hopefully not on the IR either). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saufley Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 8 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Nah, it’s just further proof that he is who we thought he was — a bad GM. This FO and ownership group make it extremely difficult to be a White Sox fan. They can't be the future. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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