baseball_gal_aly Posted July 30, 2024 Share Posted July 30, 2024 This is really bad news for the Sox in the future. If T100 prospects are now untouchable then the Sox have no chance for a very long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SoxAce Posted July 30, 2024 Share Posted July 30, 2024 On 7/30/2024 at 11:12 PM, baseball_gal_aly said: Expand I'd argue Norby but it isn't a terrible take at all. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted July 30, 2024 Share Posted July 30, 2024 (edited) On 7/30/2024 at 11:15 PM, SoxAce said: I'd argue Norby but it isn't a terrible take at all. Expand Agreed. But gal’s point remains. There may no longer be much of a path to selling top assets for prospects any longer. Teams aren’t willing to give them up. That, along with the draft changes… Welp, good luck Getz… Edited July 30, 2024 by WhiteSox2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted July 31, 2024 Share Posted July 31, 2024 On 7/30/2024 at 11:35 PM, WhiteSox2023 said: Agreed. But gal’s point remains. There may no longer be much of a path to selling top assets for prospects any longer. Teams aren’t willing to give them up. That, along with the draft changes… Welp, good luck Getz… Expand Yes, I frequently draw strong conclusions based on the outcome of one trade deadline where the two best players available weren't even dealt. Not like there were stars flying from one team to the next. Also, why would teams be more willing to move top 100 prospects at years end (which just happened this past off season) but not at deadline? This means nothing more than a lot of garbage was moved around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted July 31, 2024 Share Posted July 31, 2024 I'll say this though, jazz balling out in New York. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted July 31, 2024 Share Posted July 31, 2024 On 7/30/2024 at 11:35 PM, WhiteSox2023 said: Agreed. But gal’s point remains. There may no longer be much of a path to selling top assets for prospects any longer. Teams aren’t willing to give them up. That, along with the draft changes… Welp, good luck Getz… Expand They’re fucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted July 31, 2024 Share Posted July 31, 2024 Can’t draft Cant develop Can’t sign top INT players Cant evaluate trade talent Cant play with the real teams in FA How exactly are they going to build a good team? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 31, 2024 Share Posted July 31, 2024 On 7/31/2024 at 1:57 AM, Tnetennba said: Can’t draft Cant develop Can’t sign top INT players Cant evaluate trade talent Cant play with the real teams in FA How exactly are they going to build a good team? Expand We can't waste a year for evaluations either. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaDoc Posted July 31, 2024 Share Posted July 31, 2024 If that holds, we must reevaluate our international game. We have to figure out how to be at least top ten internationally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted July 31, 2024 Share Posted July 31, 2024 On 7/31/2024 at 1:57 AM, Tnetennba said: Can’t draft Cant develop Can’t sign top INT players Cant evaluate trade talent Cant play with the real teams in FA How exactly are they going to build a good team? Expand Sox ask for Crochet was 3 in a team's top 10. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 31, 2024 Share Posted July 31, 2024 On 7/31/2024 at 2:56 AM, macsandz said: Sox ask for Crochet was 3 in a team's top 10. Expand As well it should have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted July 31, 2024 Share Posted July 31, 2024 The two biggest rebuild success stories of the last decade were the Astros and the Orioles. Neither was built through selling off veterans. now the White Sox rebuild, which lasted two years, was maybe 65%-70% via selling veterans. even teams that are good traders, don’t really do it through top 100 players. They just scout better than the other team and they have a system that they can fit players into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalChiSox Posted July 31, 2024 Share Posted July 31, 2024 (edited) On 7/31/2024 at 2:56 AM, macsandz said: Sox ask for Crochet was 3 in a team's top 10. Expand That's a reasonable ask....and if they were all bats, it would have gone a long way to helping the barren wasteland of our position prospect depth. Alas, it will have to wait till the offseason when the player agent will no longer have leverage. Ofcourse, if the club is gonna insist on someone eating Beni's entire deal as part of the Crochet trade, then we'll be lucky to get a single Top 10 prospect back in a given team's system. Edited July 31, 2024 by SoCalChiSox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydanks Posted July 31, 2024 Share Posted July 31, 2024 On 7/31/2024 at 2:56 AM, macsandz said: Sox ask for Crochet was 3 in a team's top 10. Expand not sure how well versed you are in math but that's a range of about 300 players and at least 200 of them are going to be outside of the top 100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 31, 2024 Share Posted July 31, 2024 On 7/31/2024 at 2:56 AM, macsandz said: Sox ask for Crochet was 3 in a team's top 10. Expand Stupid nobody took em up… I assume they would have if last week didn’t happen… and I also assume they will get that this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hi8is Posted July 31, 2024 Share Posted July 31, 2024 On 7/31/2024 at 7:17 AM, bobbydanks said: not sure how well versed you are in math but that's a range of about 300 players and at least 200 of them are going to be outside of the top 100 Expand The f*** you talkin about boy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowy Demon Posted July 31, 2024 Share Posted July 31, 2024 Snelling is on MLB pipeline 100, and he was traded for a relief pitcher rental in Scott. So many trades but what was the most significant trade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedoctor Posted July 31, 2024 Share Posted July 31, 2024 the best path is and always has been drafting and developing. if you can't get that right you aren't going to be consistently successful. sox are a perfect example of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted July 31, 2024 Share Posted July 31, 2024 On 7/31/2024 at 3:24 AM, GreenSox said: The two biggest rebuild success stories of the last decade were the Astros and the Orioles. Neither was built through selling off veterans. now the White Sox rebuild, which lasted two years, was maybe 65%-70% via selling veterans. even teams that are good traders, don’t really do it through top 100 players. They just scout better than the other team and they have a system that they can fit players into. Expand Orioles rebuild thus far hasn't really done anything that ours didn't do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 31, 2024 Share Posted July 31, 2024 On 7/31/2024 at 11:57 AM, Snowy Demon said: Snelling is on MLB pipeline 100, and he was traded for a relief pitcher rental in Scott. So many trades but what was the most significant trade? Expand Snelling's arrow is pointing down. That'll happen when you get absolutely lit up in AA. He's still interesting, but he's no longer a top 100 guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nardiwashere Posted July 31, 2024 Share Posted July 31, 2024 Also, this idea that because no top 100 prospects were dealt this deadline (even though many were dealt last deadline and this past offseason), it means no top 100 prospects will ever be dealt henceforth for the rest of time is nonsense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted July 31, 2024 Share Posted July 31, 2024 On 7/31/2024 at 2:32 PM, Nardiwashere said: Also, this idea that because no top 100 prospects were dealt this deadline (even though many were dealt last deadline and this past offseason), it means no top 100 prospects will ever be dealt henceforth for the rest of time is nonsense. Expand It certainly fits the sky is falling narrative, tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted July 31, 2024 Share Posted July 31, 2024 On 7/31/2024 at 2:12 PM, PaleAleSox said: Orioles rebuild thus far hasn't really done anything that ours didn't do. Expand While this is accurate on July 31st, 2024, I don't believe it will be on July 31st, 2026. They won 101 games last season, won the division and made the playoffs. This season, they are still in 1st place in the AL East, and will almost certainly make the playoffs. At that point, they have matched what the Sox "rebuild" did, and if they win a playoff series, then they already topped it. They also are anchored by two of the best players in the league, which is something the Sox never had. Lastly, when the 2024 MLB Draft took place earlier this month, USA Today and Fan Graphs ranked the O's having the best farm system in baseball. Something the Sox could never boast during their short "window" of contention. They are set up much differently than the Sox were. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted July 31, 2024 Share Posted July 31, 2024 On 7/31/2024 at 2:37 PM, Tony said: While this is accurate on July 31st, 2024, I don't believe it will be on July 31st, 2026. They won 101 games last season, won the division and made the playoffs. This season, they are still in 1st place in the AL East, and will almost certainly make the playoffs. At that point, they have matched what the Sox "rebuild" did, and if they win a playoff series, then they already topped it. They also are anchored by two of the best players in the league, which is something the Sox never had. Lastly, when the 2024 MLB Draft took place earlier this month, USA Today and Fan Graphs ranked the O's having the best farm system in baseball. Something the Sox could never boast during their short "window" of contention. They are set up much differently than the Sox were. Expand Yeah I am sure it will be more successful overall, but to call it successful already would mean you'd have to think the Sox one was successful. Which we know it wasn't. So I'm not claiming it on the Astros level quite yet. Might never get there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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