fathom Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 12 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: He is talking about the whole organization and I don't think he is wrong. They are in much better shape AS A WHOLE than they have been. Sucks real bad right now, but hopefully pays off in the next few years. Yeah I don’t see it. They’re farther away from being a .500 team than they have in a long time. There are very few, if any, players that you can clearly state will be a starting player for this team come 2028. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 Just now, fathom said: Yeah I don’t see it. They’re farther away from being a .500 team than they have in a long time. There are very few, if any, players that you can clearly state will be a starting player for this team come 2028. My thought is who has Getz added that you can say, wow, that guy is really going to help? Thorpe I guess. But he cost Cease, and who knows how long he lasts until surgery. The draft pick I liked. But everyone else is a fringe guy. He still hasn't acquired anyone that can make the manager say, we have to sit Sheets. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 1 minute ago, Dick Allen said: My thought is who has Getz added that you can say, wow, that guy is really going to help? Thorpe I guess. But he cost Cease, and who knows how long he lasts until surgery. The draft pick I liked. But everyone else is a fringe guy. He still hasn't acquired anyone that can make the manager say, we have to sit Sheets. I think we'll be able to have clearer picture once Garrett and Luis are gone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 6 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: My thought is who has Getz added that you can say, wow, that guy is really going to help? Thorpe I guess. But he cost Cease, and who knows how long he lasts until surgery. The draft pick I liked. But everyone else is a fringe guy. He still hasn't acquired anyone that can make the manager say, we have to sit Sheets. Thorpe is a back-end, seemingly easily replaceable starting pitcher. Again, crazy they let such a low ceiling guy headline that deal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 5 minutes ago, fathom said: Yeah I don’t see it. They’re farther away from being a .500 team than they have in a long time. There are very few, if any, players that you can clearly state will be a starting player for this team come 2028. yeah I think at times we see incremental progress in some areas from themselves and think they are improving but it's still unclear whether it's catching up to any other team. I am fairly certain this group isn't going to work. They may get stars to align and we see a 78 win team or something. It's bleak. So much worse than anywhere else. I remember reading Astroball, and Sig Mejdal leaving with Elias and saying basically he liked the challenge of building back up. And the orioles were a nightmare with Angelos. They hadn't done international for 2 decades. They were cheap. Their farm was garbage. They just sold their fan favorites. And yet funny enough they were only a few years removed from a run of consistent competing that the sox could only dream of. I can't even comprehend a hire that good coming here. It would be so much fun. They'd know how to build the org to plan for the low spending. They'd piss off the defensiveness of this org "Oh sure that team is trying something new but sometimes new things fail! our way of doing nothing new ever is way safer" that is the ethos of the scouts and all their friends that post stuff. Would be glorious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 My favorite Getz/Grifol thing is specifically spending capital to get lower ceiling but, what they believed to be, currently ready for mlb competency guys who turned out to all be bad enough they couldn't even find playing time on the worst mlb team of all time. Oh zack deloach and dom fletcher, you have been a treat. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 1 minute ago, bmags said: My favorite Getz/Grifol thing is specifically spending capital to get lower ceiling but, what they believed to be, currently ready for mlb competency guys who turned out to all be bad enough they couldn't even find playing time on the worst mlb team of all time. Oh zack deloach and dom fletcher, you have been a treat. Getz has been so unbelievably bad with his trades so far. Couldn’t get worse results if he was trying to do bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox59 Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 8 minutes ago, fathom said: Thorpe is a back-end, seemingly easily replaceable starting pitcher. Again, crazy they let such a low ceiling guy headline that deal. You keep repeating this and it is kind of a crazy take. He got shelled his last two starts which skewed the heck out his numbers, but he was awesome prior to that and has an unreal minor league resume. Thorpe doesn't have amazing stuff so isn't ever going to be a prototypical "ace" but he can absolutely be a very good mid to upper rotation guy. It absolutely blows if he ultimately needs TJS, tho. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 My wife who knows nothing about baseball, hated Pedro. She thought he was pompous. That brings me to Getz. How does a GM of a 28-89 team with the 10th pick of the next draft , actually say this team isn't far off? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 6 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: You keep repeating this and it is kind of a crazy take. He got shelled his last two starts which skewed the heck out his numbers, but he was awesome prior to that and has an unreal minor league resume. Thorpe doesn't have amazing stuff so isn't ever going to be a prototypical "ace" but he can absolutely be a very good mid to upper rotation guy. It absolutely blows if he ultimately needs TJS, tho. How many guys that pitch like he does are upper rotation guys now? Hendricks from 8 years ago? He doesn’t have the movement on his fastball to combat the lack of velocity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 3 minutes ago, Dick Allen said: My wife who knows nothing about baseball, hated Pedro. She thought he was pompous. That brings me to Getz. How does a GM of a 28-89 team with the 10th pick of the next draft , actually say this team isn't far off? To get fans to not focus on the part of the statement about not spending money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 19 minutes ago, fathom said: Thorpe is a back-end, seemingly easily replaceable starting pitcher. Again, crazy they let such a low ceiling guy headline that deal. That happened because that's the 'top 100" player that the Padres wanted to give up. Getz never makes the other team feel any pain or real sense of loss in a trade. Always on the other teams' terms. Pedro should have been fired last yea after he did nothing but lose with a decent (although flawed) roster and was bitching about the "clubhouse" the whole way. He is a terrible manager so no time is a bad time to dump him. I'm also glad that Getz didn't stop with Grifol and cleared out a lot of the dugout. Big opportunity for Sizemore; he was an intern a year ago, out of baseball for 5 or so seasons before that. Can't say that he's "qualified' for this position, but let's see what he can do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 22 minutes ago, bmags said: My favorite Getz/Grifol thing is specifically spending capital to get lower ceiling but, what they believed to be, currently ready for mlb competency guys who turned out to all be bad enough they couldn't even find playing time on the worst mlb team of all time. Oh zack deloach and dom fletcher, you have been a treat. And then at the first of struggle (or, in Colas' case, breathing), it's back to the minors, because otherwise they might lose games. Wait a minute... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 Maybe Colas will actually get a real shot now that Grifol is gone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 Until proven otherwise, I have zero faith in this organization making the right hire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: Maybe that jersey is teal, maybe it isn't... Sounds like Ohtani to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 4 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I’m shocked they actually did it. If they waited this long, why not wait until the end of the season? Nothing this team does makes any sense. Extended job interview? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 4 hours ago, EloyJenkins said: If they would have canned him at the all star break (which was the obvious solution) they dont get to a 21 game losing streak, nor are they definitely going to break the all time worst record. Getz sucks so so badly Crystal ballsy . Don't know how you came to that conclusion 1-18 since the break. Predicting alternate outcomes based on 19 games with a new manager when you have the same players is odd. How many more wins do you think a managerial change would've meant ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 1 hour ago, fathom said: Yeah I don’t see it. They’re farther away from being a .500 team than they have in a long time. There are very few, if any, players that you can clearly state will be a starting player for this team come 2028. I think Quero is opening day C in 2025. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Line Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 Start reading up on current Royals bench coaches. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 2 minutes ago, joejoesox said: I think Quero is opening day C in 2025. He’s the one guy I forgot but didn’t want to edit my post after others quoted it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 4 minutes ago, joejoesox said: I think Quero is opening day C in 2025. Probably, but he was already here when Getz got the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 1 minute ago, fathom said: He’s the one guy I forgot but didn’t want to edit my post after others quoted it Garfein mentioned something about his hitting, basically he never hits the other way. 100% dead pull guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydBannister1983 Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 4 hours ago, ChiSox59 said: Sizemore for interim please!! What did he do to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Worked with Listach in the minors good guy, smart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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