kane0730 Posted November 13, 2003 Share Posted November 13, 2003 From ESPN.COM: If Evans had the flexibility to take on a little payroll, he could make a huge splash by using Perez and perhaps Izturis and one of his young relievers to pry Magglio Ordonez and offensive-minded shortstop Jose Valentin away from the Chicago White Sox, who are forced to pare down payroll before they can re-sign their own free agents, who include Carl Everett, Robbie Alomar and Tom Gordon. The Sox are listening to offers for the ultra-reliable Ordonez -- Manny Ramirez without the migraines -- because he figures to explore free agency after 2004, in which he's due $14 million. But the White Sox's outfielder Evans appears focused on is Carlos Lee, who set career-highs in 2003 with 31 home runs and 113 RBI. A trade of Lee and Valentin for Perez and Izturis makes sense. Evans also has some interest in Sox first baseman Paul Konerko, who averaged 26 homers and 95 RBI in 1999-2002 before slipping to .234-18-65 last season. The White Sox would love to move Konerko, who is owed $16.75 million over the next two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kane0730 Posted November 13, 2003 Author Share Posted November 13, 2003 Kind of interesting stuff. I like the idea of trading Jose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 13, 2003 Share Posted November 13, 2003 A deal of Maggs and Jose for Itzuris, Perez, Mota and one of their top prospects (That kid that was pitching for them at the end of the season who I always forget his name) would be very interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCKDJRW Posted November 13, 2003 Share Posted November 13, 2003 Please Mr Evans take Paul Konerko! In return I will take the fielding mitt one time worn by Pedro Guerrero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwsox Posted November 13, 2003 Share Posted November 13, 2003 welcome to soxtalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerbaho-WG Posted November 13, 2003 Share Posted November 13, 2003 No way the Dodgers will trade Edwin Jackson, Jason. IMO they might trade Hanrahan or Greg Miller (his stock his sky high right now). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox61382 Posted November 13, 2003 Share Posted November 13, 2003 A deal of Maggs and Jose for Itzuris, Perez, Mota and one of their top prospects (That kid that was pitching for them at the end of the season who I always forget his name) would be very interesting. I think that would be a great trade for the Sox. Lets face the facts. The Sox can't afford to pay Maggs 14M/yr and he is going to be a FA next year(wouldn't it be nice to see the Sox resign him for 10-12M the next offseason after trading him away). Add an overpaid SS like Valentin and you are trading away 19M in salary while only picking up about 6M in salary. They would also do a good job of building for the future, while still being able to contend now. I am not a huge Izturis fan, but I am starting to come around on the idea that as he gets older, and if you move him out of the best pitchers park in baseball he could be a decent offensive player to go along with his GG calibur D at SS. Add the fact that the Sox have no good SS prospects in the upper minors and trading for him might not be a bad idea. I have questions about Perez as well, but he is a young lefty, with decent stuff, who has had sucess in the past, and would look good in the middle of the rotation. I am a huge Mota fan, and believe that he would drasticly improve the Sox pen. Throw in a good pitching prospect, and a little change to spend on the FA market(most of the money saved will go to raises and arbitration eligible players), and you have yourself a deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted November 13, 2003 Share Posted November 13, 2003 A deal of Maggs and Jose for Itzuris, Perez, Mota and one of their top prospects (That kid that was pitching for them at the end of the season who I always forget his name) would be very interesting. You ARE smoking crack today, aren't you? There is no way the Dodgers would give up a top pitching prospect, an excellent reliever, along with Itzuris and Perez AND take on $19 million in salary. Are you not feeling well today, Jason? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted November 13, 2003 Share Posted November 13, 2003 Even though I live here, I know absolutley nothing abour Izturis beside he's young and plays great D. The poll question on the dodgers site is: What was the most pleasant surprise of the Dodgers' 2003 season? Izturis' improvements is one of the choices, hope that means something. Is he just a real young Clayton, minus the sometimes swinging for the fences attitude? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 13, 2003 Share Posted November 13, 2003 No way the Dodgers will trade Edwin Jackson, Jason. IMO they might trade Hanrahan or Greg Miller (his stock his sky high right now). I agree that they probably wouldn't, but I'd pressure and wouldn't hold down and when Cashman starts calling and puts out the name Soriano and you can say hey we got something with the Dodgers too, you could really up the ante. Edwin Jackson is the guy i'd want if I were dealing for a Dodger prospect though. He's a freaking stud...but the Dodgers know that. Well Mota is also damn good and would be a great fit. Miller's a lefty right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 13, 2003 Share Posted November 13, 2003 You ARE smoking crack today, aren't you? There is no way the Dodgers would give up a top pitching prospect, an excellent reliever, along with Itzuris and Perez AND take on $19 million in salary. Are you not feeling well today, Jason? What can I say I have high demands. My thought is this... a Lee and Jose for Perez and Itzuris swap would be fair. If that turns to Maggs, then I think the Sox should get even more in return. Its probably ridiculous to offer for both Mota and a top flight pitching process, but that would be my initial offer to the Dodgers and I'd let them counter from there. I really think the Yanks are gonna get hot for Maggs and if Maggs already has a market at that point, it could really force a team into over-paying to get him. This goes hand in hand with my belief that Vladdy stays in Montreal for much less then many think he will get and that Sheffield signs a 2 yr deal to stay with the Braves for a much lower price then expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted November 13, 2003 Share Posted November 13, 2003 My thought is this... a Lee and Jose for Perez and Itzuris swap would be fair. If that turns to Maggs, then I think the Sox should get even more in return. In today's baseball world, the Sox would get even less in return, because of the money at hand. If the trade were Maggs and Jose the Sox would be moving $19 million in salary for two guys that will be free agents after this year. The Dodgers would be moving Perez who made $3.4 million and has two arbitration years left, Izturis who makes next to nothing and is not close to free agency. In that trade, the Dodgers should be asking for something else, not the Sox! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 13, 2003 Share Posted November 13, 2003 I think your right in that regards. If I were the Dodgers I wouldn't make that deal...not a chance because I wouldn't string myself up like that. At the same time it seems they have a lot of interest in Carlos and Jose. Carlos is more valuable then Perez and then when it comes to Itsuris and Jose you could have some teams that would rather have Jose...the question is do the Dodgers. It all depends on the team, Dodgers want to add some offense. Do I think its their best option, NO, but at the same time Lee and Jose for Itzuris and Perez would be pretty damn fair for the dodgers, imo. I like Lee a lot and Jose would add some pop as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted November 15, 2003 Share Posted November 15, 2003 If the Twins can get Joe Nathan and Boffer for Alphabet A.J, then we must be able to get sumthin good for Maggs or Lee. I would luv to hav Greg Miller on this team, he's gonna be a good 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted November 15, 2003 Share Posted November 15, 2003 I also believe that if KW has to trade Maggs he should threatin other GM's that he could get better deals with other teams and just trade to the highest bidder. If we can get Perez and Itzuris from LA we should give them PK. Lee has finally shown what he is capable of last season and now they want to trade him? Also if they want Maggs they better give us more than Perez and Itzuris. I still think if Maggs gets traded ANA and NYY are our best bets. Alfonso Soriano is clearly the best offer we can get for Maggs unless ANA offers Washburn, Eckstein, and top notch prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted November 15, 2003 Share Posted November 15, 2003 Has anything been mentioned by the Sox about the Sox trading Lee? I know the Dodgers want him, but that doesn't mean we'll deal him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted November 15, 2003 Share Posted November 15, 2003 Ozzie has expressed that he wants Maggs back, so maybe that eventually leads to Lee being moved. Just a thought. We can't afford both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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