southsider2k5 Posted November 14, 2003 Share Posted November 14, 2003 http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/mari...999_mari14.html Actually the most interesting thing about this article is that at one time the Yankees offered Soriano to the M's for (get this) Jose Pantiagua Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted November 14, 2003 Share Posted November 14, 2003 Garcia is worth considering because he's young. But I worry about a guy who had trouble pitching in the best pitcher's park in the America League. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 14, 2003 Share Posted November 14, 2003 Maybe they'd be still interested, lol. Freddy Garcia for Paul Konerko is something I could see working. Both players make good money and both teams are trying to move them. The Mariners are losing Olerud if I recall so they will have a void at first and Konerko could fit in. If they did that and then aquired Odalis Perez I'd be very happy with the rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCKDJRW Posted November 14, 2003 Share Posted November 14, 2003 I am sure it would take more then Konerko to get Freddie Garcia. How about maybe Konerko & Cotts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted November 14, 2003 Share Posted November 14, 2003 ive been trying to figure out a way for the white sox to get Garcia since the middle of last season. I think that he is comparable to Colon, and had an off year last year which he can rebound from. The Mariners wont be interested in Konerko, so the only offers we have are: Koch, Lee, and Maggs. What would be nice is if we some how got garcia for koch. Both had bad years last year, and they both are comparable in price. We lose $2mil, but we are in reality saving 11mil. We would probably have to give up a prospect or 2, but I think the mariners are down on Garcia, just like the Sox are down on Koch. Both need a change of scenery. Koch + Colon would have equaled = $19mil Garcia= 8mil Those are big savings, and Garcia could be just as good of a pitcher as Colon. He is a player I actually hope we get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted November 14, 2003 Share Posted November 14, 2003 mariners have been shopping Garcia since July. don't think he gets along with new manager or the pitching coach. I'd guess they would take less, not more. But I doubt they'd be interested in Konerko. You need guys who can run and play defense to score and win in that park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 14, 2003 Share Posted November 14, 2003 The Mariners were trying to dump Garcia on anyone that would take him last season. He had a very subpar year in the best pitchers park. Konerko and Garcia would be about equal salary and the Mariners would do it, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted November 14, 2003 Share Posted November 14, 2003 Where would Konerko play? Didnt Edgar resign and dont they have Olerud. They are trying to dump him, but I assume they want something they can use. Not just 8mil for the bench. SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 14, 2003 Share Posted November 14, 2003 Where would Konerko play? Didnt Edgar resign and dont they have Olerud. They are trying to dump him, but I assume they want something they can use. Not just 8mil for the bench. SB I thought they were losing Olerud for some reason. But it would basically be a salary dump for both teams. M's dont want Freddy and Sox don't want Konerko. It wouldn't really free salary for either team, but it alters the chemistry of both teams and Konerko could fit in there. He'd have to adjust his style at the plate, but he's always been able to hit the ball to all parts of the field. His power numbesr would drop, but he is a good avg hitter despite what we saw this season. Garcia is a young kid who was over-worked at first...and he's had two down years if I recall, but he's still a solid pitcher and I like Cooper a lot. Put him to work and he could definately revert. Plus he can give you a lot of innings and really be a huge plus, espeically if then the Sox pick up Odalis Perez. That would be a very deep, talented starting rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted November 14, 2003 Share Posted November 14, 2003 If they are losing Olerud thats a different story. Otherwise I think the M's might want to take a shot on Koch. At 6mil a year, hes not that bad of a risk, especially since they are giving up apitcher they basically do not want. If Koch fails, they just lose 6mil for one year and they are done with it. Last year the Mariners bullpen had injuries that cost them. I doubt they will think an extra arm will hurt them. And Garcia is a million times better then Cedeno. SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 14, 2003 Share Posted November 14, 2003 But then that whould mean we whould have to give up Lee for Perez, and I dont want to do that. But I like the Konerko for Garcia. I see a bigger deal going with the Dodgers. I see the Sox trying to land Itzuris, Mota and Perez. I don't know how they will do that, but its something I think the Sox will look at. Could they get that all for Lee, heck no, but include Jose in the deal and a prospect that could help the Dodgers and you could see something happen. Then the Sox would look to the Yanks to move Magglio for Soriano and if they can bargain maybe a little more...if you give up a good enough prospect, Johnson too. Actually I think if the Sox acquired Perez and Garcia then they could afford to give up Rauch if it strengthened them in another area. A Lee, Jose, Rauch package for Itzuris, Perez, and Mota could be very interesting for both teams. The Dodgers get a young pitcher ready to enter the rotation, the power hitting left fielder, and a power hitting shortstop with great range...albiet it a suspect eye. Dodgers still have a deep rotation and they get Dreifort back. Sox have a heck of a rotation and well...if depending on if Borchard and Maggs could get you Johnson and Soriano (Only way I see this happening is if Sheff and Vlad go elsehwere; Best scenario of that happening, Vladdy staying with Montr and Sheff staying in Atlanta. I think these are both very reasonable options). Once that happens Maggs is the best outfielder on the market...well you could make your argument for Beltran). In that situation it could be to the point that you could get the Yanks to overpay. If somehow all that would happen and the other trades went down, I'd be in love with this team. Elo Buehrle Perez Garcia Garland Need Leadoff Hitter Ned 2 hole hitter Soriano Thomas Johnson Crede Need Hitter Miguel Itzuris Realize that the Sox have a few outfield slots available now...actually three. So they can use a prospect and then guys like Reggie Sanders, Rondell White, Carl Everett will be out there. Some will stick around and be had for cheap so you'd pick up two of those guys and then trust two younsters and have about 4 guys. Then you sign a firstbaseman like Fullmer who isn't gonna be expensive and all of a sudden you got a pretty serious team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted November 14, 2003 Share Posted November 14, 2003 I'd take "The Rock" in a Sox uniform Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramer99 Posted November 14, 2003 Share Posted November 14, 2003 i dont want Garcia....if its between Garcia for lee...or O. Perez for lee...i'll take Perez, he's cheaper and i think he is slightly better, and he is a lefty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted November 14, 2003 Share Posted November 14, 2003 The salary expectation for Garcia is disturbing and doesn't make a lot of sense. Especially when you conisder the free agent market is tight and I don't see high figures going to many, if any. Maybe what the players need to do now is go to arbitration rather than pursue FA and they will get more? I don't really have a lot of interest in Freddie Garcia anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heads22 Posted November 14, 2003 Share Posted November 14, 2003 I wouldn't mind him in a Sox uni either, Cali. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supernuke Posted November 15, 2003 Share Posted November 15, 2003 I have heard that Garcia is a head case, but if we could get him for Konerko or Koch straight up then I would do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasox24 Posted November 15, 2003 Share Posted November 15, 2003 I really like the idea of getting Garcia. I think that with a new team and a new pitching coach, he could possibly go back to his form of 2 years ago. From 1999-2001, Garcia was 44-19 with a 3.67 ERA, and if he could pitch like that agian, that would be awesome! If Garcia got back to his old form, then the loss of Colon would be a lot less felt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted November 15, 2003 Share Posted November 15, 2003 mariners have been shopping Garcia since July. don't think he gets along with new manager or the pitching coach. I'd guess they would take less, not more. But I doubt they'd be interested in Konerko. You need guys who can run and play defense to score and win in that park. Rumor was Garcia was hitting the bar scene too much. Maybe the Ozzero can get him to be himself again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted November 15, 2003 Share Posted November 15, 2003 I am sure it would take more then Konerko to get Freddie Garcia. How about maybe Konerko & Cotts? Konerko & Cotts for Garcia would be insane. Garcia is not that good anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted November 15, 2003 Share Posted November 15, 2003 Konerko & Cotts for Garcia would be insane. Garcia is not that good anymore. I agree Would rather trade Konerko for Perez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted November 15, 2003 Share Posted November 15, 2003 I would be happy trading Konerko for a bucket of urine, as long as the other team paid his undeserved and ridiculous salary. I really hope we unload that base-clogging albatross this offseason. If Kenny can pull that off, the offseason is already somewhat of a success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted November 15, 2003 Share Posted November 15, 2003 Garcia needs to get outta Seattle as soon as he can. I'd luv Konerko for Garcia strait up but they won't do that I'd think, but I've seen stranger things happen. I'd think Seattle would demand Joe Crede cos they'd want a 3B desperately, and mayb if they did that we could steal Rafael Soriano of em. I think Garcia will hav success if he pitches in anywhere but Seattle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted November 15, 2003 Share Posted November 15, 2003 They need a 3B? Well, Jose played a year at 3B, and his numbers were sad, but better than anything they've trotted out there since Mike Blowers. Just a thought! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox61382 Posted November 15, 2003 Share Posted November 15, 2003 "I see a bigger deal going with the Dodgers. I see the Sox trying to land Itzuris, Mota and Perez. I don't know how they will do that, but its something I think the Sox will look at." I would love to see those 3 come to the Sox. I am not sure if a deal like Lee, Valentin, and either Borchard/Rauch would be enough, but it would be interesting. "Then the Sox would look to the Yanks to move Magglio for Soriano and if they can bargain maybe a little more...if you give up a good enough prospect, Johnson too." I am sorry, but there is NO WAY that the Yankees give up BOTH Soriano AND Johnson unless they get 2 impact players. Mark my word, there is no way that they would take Maggs and Borchard/Rauch for Soriano AND Johnson. The Sox would probably have to package either Buehrle or Loaiza with Maggs to get both, and I wouldn't do that deal even though i love Soriano and Johnson. Besides, the Yankees have put a power hitting corner outfielder on the backburner. It is clear that pitching has become their top priority. I also think that they would rather have either a leadoff/2B or TRUE CF before a power hitting corner outfielder. "Only way I see this happening is if Sheff and Vlad go elsehwere; Best scenario of that happening, Vladdy staying with Montr and Sheff staying in Atlanta. I think these are both very reasonable options)." At this point I would say that it is very likely that the Yankees don't get EITHER Sheffield or Guerrero. From what I have heard, Atlanta is likely to resign Sheffield, while Baltimore appears to be the clear leader for Guerrero. You are right though, if the Yankees miss out on both of these guys AND they want a power hitting corner outfield it SHOULD increase Maggs value. "Elo Buehrle Perez Garcia Garland" I would really like this rotation, but how would you get Garcia? If the asking price is too high for Garcia then I would rather have them go after Ponson or Batista instead. It would probably cost less salary wise and wouldn't cost anything via players. "Need Leadoff Hitter Ned 2 hole hitter Soriano Thomas Johnson Crede Need Hitter Miguel Itzuris" I would love to see the Sox spend a little money and bring Cameron back, and then put Reed and Rowand in LF and RF respectively. That would be a great defensive outfield and could give you some decent offensive numbers. The problem is that you really don't have a true leadoff hitter. I guess you could try Reed in the leadoff spot with Cameron and his solid OBP and speed batting 2nd. Or you could spend money to bring in Castillo to play 2B and leadoff, and then put Soriano in CF flanked by Reed and Rowand in LF and RF. Then you could put Castillo leading off and then have Reed bat 2nd. I think either would result in a solid affordable offense. The only problem is that I just don't see the Sox getting BOTH Soriano and Johnson. I am not sure what you plan on doing with Konerko as well? I highly doubt that Seattle will want him considering they have Olerod and Martinez playing 1B and DH respectively. "Then you sign a firstbaseman like Fullmer who isn't gonna be expensive and all of a sudden you got a pretty serious team." Are you planning on putting Nick Johnson in LF? Because the way that I see it the Sox have Johnson and Thomas playing 1B and DH, and I don't think Fullmer can play LF on a regular basis. "but if we could get him for Konerko or Koch straight up then I would do it. " "I agree Would rather trade Konerko for Perez" You guys have to realize that Konerko has almost no trade value at this point. While Perez and Garcia are coming off of disappointing seasons they still have much more value then Konerko. Konerko was arguable the worst player in the majors last year(all things considered) and would make almost 18M over the next 2 years if traded. While I do think he will rebound, it is far from a guarantee. Imagine if another team was trying to trade a Konerko like player to the Sox. Everyone on this board would be up in arms and call for KW's head if he did a trade like that. Only then will you begin to understand the trade value of Konerko(or lack there of). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 15, 2003 Share Posted November 15, 2003 They need a 3B? Well, Jose played a year at 3B, and his numbers were sad, but better than anything they've trotted out there since Mike Blowers. Just a thought! I was thinking the exact same thing. Could a Jose and someone else for Garcia and maybe Carlos Guillen (Thats only if they are trying to dump Guillen, otherwise I doubt they do that). But the money standpoint tells me it only works from the Sox perspective if they deal Konerko. And how the heck is Garcia gonna get a raise in arb. No chance...unless the ruler is an idiot, he should get the maximum cut allowed which I thought was 20%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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