24-25 NFL Thread

[caulfield12]

3 hours ago, nitetrain8601 said:

Huge red flag. I liked Kliff. People hated him for what he did as a head coach at the end. But clearly, he helped Kyler become a 200 million QB and he hasn't matched that success or surpassed it with any other coach. He stopped getting good because of his own mentality, often opting to play Call of Duty as opposed to studying the playbook.

 

But people held that against Kliff. And maybe he lacked the ability to lead an entire team, but his offenses have worked. He came from the Mike Leach Air Raid school. He's developed a couple of guys already. With that stated, he was smart enough to tell Washington that he needed a couple of lineman to give his QB time.

Very true. His deep ball accuracy, which was a strong suit has completely abandoned him in the NFL so far. I also hope it's temporary, but half a season and I don't think he's hit on it yet makes me pause.

But Kyler Murray the last month or so suddenly looks like one of the most dangerous QB's in the entire league, with Daniels starting to struggle a bit, too.

Let's not forget he was recovering from ACL surgery the first half of the 2023 season...last year isn't a very good indicator of his still considerable upside (despite his height/size).

https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr

#2 in current QB ratings

 

With Murray under center, the Cardinals had the 9th ranked offense in the NFL (362.8 ypg) and averaged 22.4 points per game. Israel Woolfork is in his second season with the Cardinals after being hired to coach quarterbacks on 3/1/23. He previously served as an assistant coach for the Cleveland Browns and Miami University, only 34 years old.

So the moral of the story seemingly is don't give up on mobile former Oklahoma QB's too soon, like the Cleveland Browns did with Mayfield and many wanted to do with Murray as well.

Edited Wednesday at 02:17 AM by caulfield12

[Soxfest]

Eberass is inept AF and has to go now

[caulfield12]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/nancy-armour/2024/11/11/bears-caleb-williams-botching-qb-development/76206105007/

[caulfield12]

The Bears chose Waldron over Kliff Kingsbury, whose job at USC as a senior offensive analyst was to get Williams ready for the NFL, and Zac Robinson, who has built the Atlanta Falcons' offense into a top-five passing unit and the league's 12th-ranked rushing attack.

Kingsbury became the Washington Commanders' offensive coordinator and is helping guide rookie quarterback Jayden Daniels, drafted one spot after Williams and the current favorite to become Offensive Rookie of the Year.

The Bears also passed over three other candidates who went on to snag offensive coordinator jobs this past cycle: Liam Coen with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, whose offense is ranked eighth, Klint Kubiak with the New Orleans Saints, who have the 16th-ranked offense, and Greg Roman, offensive coordinator of the Los Angeles Chargers (22nd).   Espn.com

[Harry Chappas]

The parallels with the Bears, White Sox and Bulls when it comes to simply hiring the cheapest candidates available is really something to behold. 

 

[Kyyle23]

53 minutes ago, Harry Chappas said:

The parallels with the Bears, White Sox and Bulls when it comes to simply hiring the cheapest candidates available is really something to behold. 

 

This isn’t a “cheap” hire.  This was a agent hire (trace armstrong reps like the entire staff) and a “don’t make flus think you want his job” hire

which isn’t much better,  but this wasn’t cheapest guy out there.  He actually had done the job at the NFL level before (or so we thought)

[bmags]

24 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

This isn’t a “cheap” hire.  This was a agent hire (trace armstrong reps like the entire staff) and a “don’t make flus think you want his job” hire

which isn’t much better,  but this wasn’t cheapest guy out there.  He actually had done the job at the NFL level before (or so we thought)

Given the reports of how tepid he is, I’m really thinking the “he wouldn’t be a guy they push me out for” was a part of flus’ thinking. Getting a former head coach in Kliff? That’d be threatening.

[Harry Chappas]

19 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

This isn’t a “cheap” hire.  This was a agent hire (trace armstrong reps like the entire staff) and a “don’t make flus think you want his job” hire

which isn’t much better,  but this wasn’t cheapest guy out there.  He actually had done the job at the NFL level before (or so we thought)

I view the Bears never aiming big for anyone or anything as going on the cheap.  Yes their facilities have been upgraded to NFL standards but what gives the appearance of them being more fiscally aggressive than Reinsdorf? 

Kevin Warren hasn't really done anything as President of football operations to lead me to believe that he is a force for this organization.  My guess with him is that his time with the BIG had a role in Harbaugh not coming to the Bears.  That was a move that I am not certain was ever even investigated by the Bears.

The fact Eberflus was hired, retained and remains while the OC role he has hired twice (now third one in less than three full years) was just handed to a less qualified candidate then the prior two Bozos.  Getsy's tenure in LV was less than Waldron's shows me how bad a hire he was.  Little has changed under Warren/Poles compared to the prior clown cars. 

If not for Carolina maybe being a worse organization, I am not certain Poles and Warren are any better than the other failures  that arrive daily to 1920 Football Drive.

Eberflus should have never been hired and certainly never been retained.  

They will end up 4-13 this year and will be starting over again.   They will hire a new staff of cheap inexperienced field staff and hope it goes well.

Hiring Waldron over Kingsbury was to protect their ego and pocketbook.  

 

 

[Kyyle23]

12 minutes ago, bmags said:

Given the reports of how tepid he is, I’m really thinking the “he wouldn’t be a guy they push me out for” was a part of flus’ thinking. Getting a former head coach in Kliff? That’d be threatening.

I have zero doubt that they hired Shane based on the lack of intimidation.   And based on the talking heads the last couple days, the bears did very little homework on him regarding his respect level and ability to do the job 

[Tony]

Was thinking about the recent history at Bears QB, and how what they are doing is borderline criminal. 
 

Everyone seems to agree that if Daniels was drafted here, he doesn’t have the same success that he’s having in Washington. I think conversely, if everything else stayed the same but Caleb was in Washington, he would be playing much better. Then you look at what happened with Fields. I believe if Justin was drafted by the 49ers, or Packers, or a bunch of other teams, his career looks a lot different than it does today. 

How messed up is that? The going rate on QB extensions right now is 4/240. Yes, Caleb signed a contract worth about 65 million dollars total, but dude lived by himself in high school so he could further his football career. Guy has put in a ton of work to get to this point, only to be drafted by a franchise that has no idea what to do with a young QB, is on pace to get sacked over 60 times, and is already on a new OC. I don’t care how much he signed for, are you OK with an organization costing you potentially hundreds of millions of dollars? 
 

I don’t know anyway you can fix that, but the draft just seems unfair when it comes to the NFL, as it’s a sport so dependent on the team you go to. 

[almagest]

Bears released Nate Davis

[LittleHurtCG]

1 hour ago, Tony said:

Was thinking about the recent history at Bears QB, and how what they are doing is borderline criminal. 
 

Everyone seems to agree that if Daniels was drafted here, he doesn’t have the same success that he’s having in Washington. I think conversely, if everything else stayed the same but Caleb was in Washington, he would be playing much better. Then you look at what happened with Fields. I believe if Justin was drafted by the 49ers, or Packers, or a bunch of other teams, his career looks a lot different than it does today. 

How messed up is that? The going rate on QB extensions right now is 4/240. Yes, Caleb signed a contract worth about 65 million dollars total, but dude lived by himself in high school so he could further his football career. Guy has put in a ton of work to get to this point, only to be drafted by a franchise that has no idea what to do with a young QB, is on pace to get sacked over 60 times, and is already on a new OC. I don’t care how much he signed for, are you OK with an organization costing you potentially hundreds of millions of dollars? 
 

I don’t know anyway you can fix that, but the draft just seems unfair when it comes to the NFL, as it’s a sport so dependent on the team you go to. 

Caleb could have pulled an Eli Manning and refused to sign a contract with the Bears. Hell, he is probably wishing he had done that right about now, optics of it be damned. 

[bmags]

1 hour ago, almagest said:

Bears released Nate Davis

So 3 moves Poles could have averted had he just read local media:

- Chase Claypool

- Shane Waldron

- Nate Davis

[Harry Chappas]

59 minutes ago, bmags said:

So 3 moves Poles could have averted had he just read local media:

- Chase Claypool

- Shane Waldron

- Nate Davis

While not fully his fault his first free agent signing failed his physical I believe. 

[almagest]

1 hour ago, bmags said:

So 3 moves Poles could have averted had he just read local media:

- Chase Claypool

- Shane Waldron

- Nate Davis

I am increasingly less impressed with Ryan Poles. Claypool and Davis were terrible moves, but at MINIMUM should've indicated to Poles that he did not have the culture guy in place that he thought he did. Both players had concerns, both regressed big time on the Bears. Waldron I pin more on Flus, but Poles is responsible for Flus.

[caulfield12]

4 hours ago, Tony said:

Was thinking about the recent history at Bears QB, and how what they are doing is borderline criminal. 
 

Everyone seems to agree that if Daniels was drafted here, he doesn’t have the same success that he’s having in Washington. I think conversely, if everything else stayed the same but Caleb was in Washington, he would be playing much better. Then you look at what happened with Fields. I believe if Justin was drafted by the 49ers, or Packers, or a bunch of other teams, his career looks a lot different than it does today. 

How messed up is that? The going rate on QB extensions right now is 4/240. Yes, Caleb signed a contract worth about 65 million dollars total, but dude lived by himself in high school so he could further his football career. Guy has put in a ton of work to get to this point, only to be drafted by a franchise that has no idea what to do with a young QB, is on pace to get sacked over 60 times, and is already on a new OC. I don’t care how much he signed for, are you OK with an organization costing you potentially hundreds of millions of dollars? 
 

I don’t know anyway you can fix that, but the draft just seems unfair when it comes to the NFL, as it’s a sport so dependent on the team you go to. 

Plus he'd be going back home to Maryland...

[almagest]

Found this on Reddit and verified myself. Nice to (hopefully) put another narrative to bed.

Quote

On the Take The North podcast (11 minute 15 seconds) Dan Wiederer mentioned he was interviewing DJ Moore about his relationship with Caleb and DJ Moore shouted to Caleb, "Caleb, are we still tighter than moose knuckles?" and both players laughed about it.

 

[almagest]

 

https://x.com/kalynkahler/status/1856782094879314360

Edited Wednesday at 11:41 PM by almagest

[WhiteSox2023]

8 hours ago, bmags said:

So 3 moves Poles could have averted had he just read local media:

- Chase Claypool

- Shane Waldron

- Nate Davis

$17 million guaranteed for Davis and got absolutely nothing out of the bum.  Brutal.

Edited Thursday at 04:01 AM by WhiteSox2023

[Chisoxfn]

7 hours ago, almagest said:

 

https://x.com/kalynkahler/status/1856782094879314360

Biggs was saying this since the start of the season if you read his stuff. Liked the quotes I heard from Waldron and players today. First time in a while…but I also admit it is just talk and it’s not going to change overnight. But man would be great to strike lightning in a bottle with Brown and see this thing turn around for Caleb and the rest of the Bears!!! 

[Chisoxfn]

8 hours ago, almagest said:

Found this on Reddit and verified myself. Nice to (hopefully) put another narrative to bed.

 

This is great to hear!

[Chisoxfn]

3 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

$17 million guaranteed for Davis and got absolutely nothing out of the bum.  Brutal.

At least he’s gone. Accountability 

[Kyyle23]

2 hours ago, Chisoxfn said:

Biggs was saying this since the start of the season if you read his stuff. Liked the quotes I heard from Waldron and players today. First time in a while…but I also admit it is just talk and it’s not going to change overnight. But man would be great to strike lightning in a bottle with Brown and see this thing turn around for Caleb and the rest of the Bears!!! 

I want Caleb to get back on track, but The last thing I want is another late season mirage that convinces everyone that Flus figured it out again.  I don’t believe they will but if we are sitting here at the end of the season and they pulled off a 4-4 record from now,  I could absolutely see that happening 

[Dick Allen]

3 hours ago, Kyyle23 said:

I want Caleb to get back on track, but The last thing I want is another late season mirage that convinces everyone that Flus figured it out again.  I don’t believe they will but if we are sitting here at the end of the season and they pulled off a 4-4 record from now,  I could absolutely see that happening 

The way their schedule is the rest of the way, if they win, Flus stays. But they get beat or even go 4-4 and miss the playoffs, he's oot to go. He gets it to 9-8 with what they have left, I think he should come back. That isn't going to happen.

[Kyyle23]

54 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

The way their schedule is the rest of the way, if they win, Flus stays. But they get beat or even go 4-4 and miss the playoffs, he's oot to go. He gets it to 9-8 with what they have left, I think he should come back. That isn't going to happen.

I just can’t understand this thinking.   I would fire flus if he ran the table, this guy sucks and we all know it