Tony Posted December 2 Share Posted December 2 55 minutes ago, bmags said: I think your one example actually has a much better hit rate than most football guys. The browns have been in the playoffs in 2 of the last 4 seasons after an 18 year drought. He has been a part of a pretty respected front office that included kwesi adofo mensah who they recruited. "Who seems good" would be an underrated improvement for the bears. Who seems good applied to Lovie. Would have applied to Arians (would have actually gotten us Reid, he seemed pretty good). It probably did apply to Wanny, Fox, and Nagy. But it would have avoided Flus, would have avoided Jauron. That's about as good a hit rate as any football guy. Bears should try it imo. He joined the Browns in January of 2016. During that time, the Browns have gone 54-87, and he was credited with helping orchestrate maybe the worst trade in recent sports history, sending 3 first rounders, a third and two 4ths for Deshawn Watson, and put the cherry on top by giving him FULLY guaranteed contract of 5 years/$230 million, while the sexual assault allegations were already on full display. They’re also 3-8 this year. So I’m not really throwing any roses at Paul Depodesta or calling that a “hit” for a non-football guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted December 3 Share Posted December 3 https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2024/12/02/the-one-enduring-lesson-bears-will-be-bears-warren-poles-eberflus-mccaskey-telander Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted December 3 Share Posted December 3 https://sports.yahoo.com/new-bears-coach-thomas-brown-preached-accountability-for-a-team-that-needed-it--then-he-went-a-step-further-222719357.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted December 3 Share Posted December 3 By the Numbers. From a Sun-Times story today: "In fact, in 13-plus seasons of George McCaskey leadership, the Bears’ 93-130 record is 26th in the NFL in that span. Their two playoff berths are tied for 28th. Their single playoff berth with a winning record (12-4 in 2018) is 31st. Their zero playoff wins are tied for last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 Cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 3 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: By the Numbers. From a Sun-Times story today: "In fact, in 13-plus seasons of George McCaskey leadership, the Bears’ 93-130 record is 26th in the NFL in that span. Their two playoff berths are tied for 28th. Their single playoff berth with a winning record (12-4 in 2018) is 31st. Their zero playoff wins are tied for last. The Bears have been bad? Since when? Oh right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 Interesting speculation. Personally I'd make the move if I was the Bears: https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2024/12/03/could-bears-trade-for-49ers-coach-kyle-shanahan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 4 Author Share Posted December 4 3 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: Interesting speculation. Personally I'd make the move if I was the Bears: https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears/2024/12/03/could-bears-trade-for-49ers-coach-kyle-shanahan My view is - Bears should be doing all their homework now and have a short and tight list to tackle right when season ends. Keep your short list to 4-5 names and move quick in interview process and than give a good contract to your top guy. On my list of must interviews are: 1) Mike Vrabel - My personal favorite. If Bears don’t interview him - it means this is same ole Bears cause this is the exact type of coach they would not touch in the past. If Bears interview - at least it’s a good sign (even if they go another direction). But this guy is no nonsense, smart and has been successful with mediocre qbs. I also think he fits the style that works in a cold weather city and has shown a knack for finding good offensive coordinators (see Arthur Smith). 2) Ben Johnson - My guess is this is who Bears will hire. He runs a really good offense and has done it for 3 years. I don’t know how dynamic a leader he is - but long term on field results with Goff have been excellent (yes great talent too - but they scheme guys open as well). 3) Thomas Brown - He is in very tough spot - but some guys just have a special quality and he might just be that type of guy. Press conferences don’t mean anything but he clearly has juice on the podium and evidently in the locker room. 4) Kliff Kingsbury - I’m skeptical here because the Arizona gig went south but he did have a lot of early success and guys learn. He’s worked with Caleb and you can’t argue what is happening in Washington with Jayden. 5) Wildcard Candidate: Back channel to see if you can get Shanny or assess a Mike McDaniel / Browns HC. Do homework on Gruden as well - but I am Leary here given how long he was away from coaching and the circumstances around his removal - but if you think he is the best - go get him. Knows how to surround himself with great minds. Heck, his brother Jay had one of the all time great offensive staffs around him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 I agree that at this point, Vrabel is my favorite as well. It's dependent on the OC he wants to bring in, which will play just as big of a role, but given where the Bears are, I want a commanding force in the HC role that was a proven track record and fills that "leader of men" role. Ben Johnson, to me, could fall very much into the Nagy mold. I understand he's been calling plays for 3 years, way more than Nagy ever did...but the Lions have a fantastic OL which allows Johnson to execute the offense he wants to run. When you have that luxury, most OC's are going to look pretty solid. I'm not against Johnson, I just think it comes with more risk than people realize. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 Ha, everyone is already talking themselves into it being Brown. That’s who it’s gonna be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 1 hour ago, Milkman delivers said: Ha, everyone is already talking themselves into it being Brown. That’s who it’s gonna be. Yea, I think so too. It’s very bears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 1 hour ago, Milkman delivers said: Ha, everyone is already talking themselves into it being Brown. That’s who it’s gonna be. I don’t think so. Honestly, I think Warren swinging his dick around during the Eberflus press conference is because he is thinking bolder for the hire. They obviously could still botch this because they’re the Bears, but I don’t think they just roll with the internal guy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 1 hour ago, Milkman delivers said: Ha, everyone is already talking themselves into it being Brown. That’s who it’s gonna be. 18 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: Yea, I think so too. It’s very bears I absolutely agree it's very Bears/Chicago...but there is still a decent chunk of the season left. If they don't win another game, or even win one, I think it's going to be a tough sell to bring back Brown on a 4-14 team or whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 7 minutes ago, Tony said: I absolutely agree it's very Bears/Chicago...but there is still a decent chunk of the season left. If they don't win another game, or even win one, I think it's going to be a tough sell to bring back Brown on a 4-14 team or whatever. I really hope we get progress from Caleb first and foremost. If they win some games and look like a different team, I guess I could be swayed but it’s gonna have to be such an obvious change in look and play. It just feels ripe for the dumbest and easiest possible decision and we already have buy in happening from fans and media Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 I do wonder if Belicheck in advisory role with Vrabel as HC would be both possible and probably the best scenario 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 8 minutes ago, Tony said: I absolutely agree it's very Bears/Chicago...but there is still a decent chunk of the season left. If they don't win another game, or even win one, I think it's going to be a tough sell to bring back Brown on a 4-14 team or whatever. The Bears are a McCaskey run operation....full stop...that is not changing unless something pops that has not happened since Jim Finks was hired from the Vikings in the 70s. As long as Thomas Brown says all of the right things and doesn't step in Warren and Poles garden he will get the job. The ticket salesman who has held no legitimate job in his life and accomplished anything is still in the room and is the Chairman. Eberflus should have been gone after the Pats game and dopey George said no. Poles is looking more and more like a slightly more talented Rick Hahn. Kevin Warren is certainly equivalent to KW in playing the role of the boss. Wins and losses are of no significance the rest of this year and as long as the losses are close, Thomas Brown will be the new boss. The Bears do not swing big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 5 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: I do wonder if Belicheck in advisory role with Vrabel as HC would be both possible and probably the best scenario Read the room with Warren and Poles. Brown has enough backbone to appease fans and players but was thrown a lifeline by Warren and Poles to feel comfortable in a role that a stronger candidate would not. Brown is still very young so maybe they caught the lightning in a bottle there. I do nto trust the guys that liked Getsy, Waldron and Eberflus to get it right but maybe they will get lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 25 minutes ago, Harry Chappas said: Read the room with Warren and Poles. Brown has enough backbone to appease fans and players but was thrown a lifeline by Warren and Poles to feel comfortable in a role that a stronger candidate would not. Brown is still very young so maybe they caught the lightning in a bottle there. I do nto trust the guys that liked Getsy, Waldron and Eberflus to get it right but maybe they will get lucky. Why are you telling me to read the room when 2 posts ago I said I expect it to be Brown. hey everyone in this thread, WE FUCKING KNOW WHO OWNS THE BEARS. THANKS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted December 4 Share Posted December 4 15 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: Why are you telling me to read the room when 2 posts ago I said I expect it to be Brown. hey everyone in this thread, WE FUCKING KNOW WHO OWNS THE BEARS. THANKS I wasn't telling you to do anything I was just agreeing with you and used that term to explain why I think Brown has the job and why popular opinion can easily be swayed toward him in the end. It is not so much about the job he does but more so that at the end of the year he can fit nicely into what Poles and Warren will look at and that is a controllable underling. It may end up working out as Brown is not in position of strength and that may be fine if he actually can do the job. there is risk with him that is greater then those that have led teams previously. These guys believed in a lot of failing individuals very recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 6 Share Posted December 6 https://www.chicitysports.com/kevin-warren-jim-harbaugh-chicago-bears-news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marqhead Posted December 6 Share Posted December 6 Not surprised in the slightest. No chance Warren is going to bring someone in who clashes with him. And this is what you get when you hire a GM, then a coach, then a President - so ass-backwards, no one on the same page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 7 Share Posted December 7 On 12/6/2024 at 11:25 AM, Marqhead said: Not surprised in the slightest. No chance Warren is going to bring someone in who clashes with him. And this is what you get when you hire a GM, then a coach, then a President - so ass-backwards, no one on the same page. Yep. The same reason Harbaugh wasn’t even considered is the same reason a guy like Belichek won’t be considered either. The losers at the top have overinflated opinions of their skills and talents and refuse to cede power to anyone that is probably way better than them at this football thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 7 Author Share Posted December 7 6 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Yep. The same reason Harbaugh wasn’t even considered is the same reason a guy like Belichek won’t be considered either. The losers at the top have overinflated opinions of their skills and talents and refuse to cede power to anyone that is probably way better than them at this football thing. In my mind Beli is very different than Harbaugh. Beli is old and grizzlied and as good as he was he had a real bad run with no qb and is pretty old at this point. I think I’d rather go Pete Carroll before I interviewed Belicheck. Harbaugh though has another 10 years of coaching in him and was a total no brainer to at least talk to. Kind of like this cycle Vrabel is someone you got to at least interview. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 18 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Yep. The same reason Harbaugh wasn’t even considered is the same reason a guy like Belichek won’t be considered either. The losers at the top have overinflated opinions of their skills and talents and refuse to cede power to anyone that is probably way better than them at this football thing. I hate that they didn’t even talk to Harbaugh, but I think it is much more of a pointed “Harbaugh v Warren hate each other since Big Ten” than it is a generalized “we can’t deal with experienced coaches” but, they could definitely Bears it up and avoid all the other experienced coaches available this cycle and laugh in my face about what I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 8 Share Posted December 8 6 hours ago, Kyyle23 said: I hate that they didn’t even talk to Harbaugh, but I think it is much more of a pointed “Harbaugh v Warren hate each other since Big Ten” than it is a generalized “we can’t deal with experienced coaches” but, they could definitely Bears it up and avoid all the other experienced coaches available this cycle and laugh in my face about what I think That story is brutal. Warren hurting the Bears more than helping anything. https://nypost.com/2024/12/05/sports/jim-harbaugh-wanted-to-coach-the-bears-they-werent-interested/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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