Kyyle23 Posted December 10 Share Posted December 10 https://awfulannouncing.com/college-football/bill-belichick-unc-have-agreed-something.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted December 10 Share Posted December 10 2 hours ago, Harry Chappas said: Four names this morning Joe Brady Mike Vrabel Flores Ben Johnson I would think you kick the tires on Bellichek They should absolutely interview all 4, and my guess would be one of those names is your next HC. But I would hope they interview as many candidates as they can, simply to hear different opinions about what an HC would do for this specific roster/team. This process can be so valuable if done correctly, but what you do with that information is the key Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 10 Share Posted December 10 Hiring Flores would be extremely bold given his history and how it was perceived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted December 11 Author Share Posted December 11 Vrabel seems like the front-runner, but I can't argue with talking to Brady and clearly they need to talk to Ben Johnson. Vrabel making playoffs in 4 out of 6 years with lousy QB play is a positive in my mind. 49 years old too - so if you get this right, you could finally have a coach that sticks around a while and one who I think will have learned some things in his year off and come in pretty refreshed. I would be curious to see where he looks at OC - does he go with McDaniels, does he try to pull Arthur Smith or go somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted December 11 Share Posted December 11 More Bears dysfunction. It’s all over The Score as well… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted Thursday at 06:19 PM Share Posted Thursday at 06:19 PM Wouldn't this open opportunities for coaches that wanted a role in player personnel moves if Poles was gone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted Thursday at 07:29 PM Share Posted Thursday at 07:29 PM 1 hour ago, Harry Chappas said: Wouldn't this open opportunities for coaches that wanted a role in player personnel moves if Poles was gone? Lot of moving parts, like what happens with Ian Cunningham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted Thursday at 07:39 PM Share Posted Thursday at 07:39 PM 23 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: More Bears dysfunction. It’s all over The Score as well… Poles has had 3 years to put together an offensive line, which is an eternity in the NFL, and he hasn't. So, not too heartbroken over this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted Thursday at 08:48 PM Share Posted Thursday at 08:48 PM On 12/11/2024 at 2:25 PM, WhiteSox2023 said: More Bears dysfunction. It’s all over The Score as well… If you don't want your boss in your business, you should probably not suck at your job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted Friday at 06:04 AM Author Share Posted Friday at 06:04 AM 10 hours ago, Kyyle23 said: Lot of moving parts, like what happens with Ian Cunningham I don’t feel bad for Poles. He has had three years of s%*# records and s%*# lines. I am fine if he stays but if a legit head coach came in and they switched gms - no complaint. He hasn’t been that special - this team is just as much on him as Flus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted Friday at 06:05 AM Author Share Posted Friday at 06:05 AM 10 hours ago, Kyyle23 said: Lot of moving parts, like what happens with Ian Cunningham Cunningham is someone I think pretty highly of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beast Posted Friday at 06:14 AM Share Posted Friday at 06:14 AM 9 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said: Cunningham is someone I think pretty highly of. I wonder if Cunningham would stay if the Bears fired Poles and elevated Cunningham. Or if that would even happen. I just don’t see them firing the GM that drafted Williams unless they keep some continuity with Cunningham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted Friday at 12:10 PM Share Posted Friday at 12:10 PM U-G-L-Y game last night good heavens lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted Friday at 06:15 PM Share Posted Friday at 06:15 PM The weiderer piece was good this morning. There was a line on the Eberflus hire about like, "who else was going to hire Eberflus if you didn't?" and alluded to the idea that colts were gonna fire him. I kept thinking how if I was George McCaskey, sincere in wanting to do the right thing but a complete moron, what a great way to operate to try to break out of the skid. Rather than just trying to be woo'd by consultants and your own interviews (remember, you are a moron), consistently hold the fire to these guys with a "why aren't we doing the thing that everyone else seems to want?". It ain't foolproof, in many ways that was just the uber dan snyder in the 2000s. And with Eberflus year, you'd argue that you'd end up with Daboll. But - you wouldn't end up with eberflus! For the sox, I'd say getz is at least, in hiring his manager, entertaining "I should try to get the guys that it seems other people like, because we are incapable of knowing who is good ourselves". It just might work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted Friday at 09:36 PM Share Posted Friday at 09:36 PM For evaluating Poles, the entire Flus experience (from beginning to end) cancels out the Carolina heist, IMO. Both are extreme examples of a historic success and failure. Now, after reading that article, I come away feeling less confident than ever about Poles. I would have honestly felt better knowing the decision to hire and retain him was influenced by ownership and/or Warren. The information we have available now, I would not allow Poles a chance to remain the GM. I cannot trust him to make the necessary roster and personnel decisions. Imagine what hangs over his head entering 2025. Is anyone willing to bet he is fired with anything less than a winning record? (Only caveat to that being Caleb shows amazing progress in a losing season). Now, someone who probably over analyzes every decision will have to draft and sign the right players to immediately turn around the roster in one season. In an incredibly difficult division. I just don’t see it for Poles. Then we’re telling ourselves after the fallout how obvious of a decision it was all along to fire Poles. Let’s not make that mistake. Fire him, find a replacement, move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted Friday at 10:05 PM Share Posted Friday at 10:05 PM (edited) 32 minutes ago, Flash Tizzle said: For evaluating Poles, the entire Flus experience (from beginning to end) cancels out the Carolina heist, IMO. Both are extreme examples of a historic success and failure. Now, after reading that article, I come away feeling less confident than ever about Poles. I would have honestly felt better knowing the decision to hire and retain him was influenced by ownership and/or Warren. The information we have available now, I would not allow Poles a chance to remain the GM. I cannot trust him to make the necessary roster and personnel decisions. Imagine what hangs over his head entering 2025. Is anyone willing to bet he is fired with anything less than a winning record? (Only caveat to that being Caleb shows amazing progress in a losing season). Now, someone who probably over analyzes every decision will have to draft and sign the right players to immediately turn around the roster in one season. In an incredibly difficult division. I just don’t see it for Poles. Then we’re telling ourselves after the fallout how obvious of a decision it was all along to fire Poles. Let’s not make that mistake. Fire him, find a replacement, move on. Outside of the Panthers trade, it's not like he's made a bunch of good roster decisions. I think you can also say that just about any GM could have made out like bandits on that deal. I guess you can say he did well in getting Billings for cheap, signing Edwards to a reasonable deal, and getting a serviceable LT in Braxton Jones for a 5th round pick, but what else has he done as GM that demonstrated he's irreplaceable? My issue with Poles has always been that he seems incapable of overpaying top tier free agents in premium positions, even when he's had some of the most cap space in the NFL the past 2 off-seasons. Instead of going after premium EDGE or offensive line free agents, he decided to give an off-ball linebacker his biggest free agent deal thus far. That's probably one of the least important positions in today's NFL. It honestly gives me Rick Hahn PTSD from him giving big money to relievers, but skipping out on premium free agents in more important positions. In the case of Poles, it's not because the Bears can't afford it, but it seems more like a personal philosophy that he won't overpay (even though he totally did to sign Edmunds). His inability to spend big money on the trenches is also a huge blemish on his resume. For someone who said he's going to build from the trenches, he's actually done quite the opposite. Add on Poles being dog-walked by Pittsburgh twice in trades (some GMs would never live down trading a 2nd for Claypool) and wasting a 3rd on a 26 year old Velus Jones and Poles' resume looks really bad outside of trading the #1 pick for a king's ransom. And even that came down to blind luck. I'll give Poles credit for tearing down the mess that was Pace's roster, but he honestly seems like a replacement level GM to me that got lucky with the #1 pick twice. If he really was the reason for the Eberflus debacle that led to us wasting a season, he should be gone. Edited Friday at 10:07 PM by chw42 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted Saturday at 06:30 PM Author Share Posted Saturday at 06:30 PM I have zero issue if they cut bait with Poles, zero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted Saturday at 08:18 PM Share Posted Saturday at 08:18 PM (edited) 1 hour ago, Chisoxfn said: I have zero issue if they cut bait with Poles, zero. It really seems like such an obvious decision to move on from him. If you were Poles, and understood next season determines your fate, what would you do? You would likely put every resource (FA/draft) into making sure you win right away. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them offer Trey Smith a record deal. Additionally, if they question their position in the draft to pick up Will Campbell, trade up using their #1 and #2 to snag him. Poles is fighting for his career here. There are no long term repercussions to worry about if the Bears have losing season and you’re fired. Edited Saturday at 08:19 PM by Flash Tizzle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted Monday at 01:46 PM Share Posted Monday at 01:46 PM I think tonight is the game Poles gets fired (in the offseason) It’s on national TV, division opponent, offensive line has like two starters on it, and the Vikings are going to take advantage, it’s gonna get ugly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted Monday at 02:13 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:13 PM 29 minutes ago, Tony said: I think tonight is the game Poles gets fired (in the offseason) It’s on national TV, division opponent, offensive line has like two starters on it, and the Vikings are going to take advantage, it’s gonna get ugly. If it’s the blowout it is being predicted to be, I think so too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted Monday at 05:18 PM Share Posted Monday at 05:18 PM 3 hours ago, Tony said: I think tonight is the game Poles gets fired (in the offseason) It’s on national TV, division opponent, offensive line has like two starters on it, and the Vikings are going to take advantage, it’s gonna get ugly. I obviously don't know if this is true but from my perspective it seems the embarrassment of the Thanksgiving game being National and the all the National analysts talking about how embarrassing it was definitely helped get Flus out the door. So I certainly don't think your theory is wrong if it does indeed get ugly tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted Monday at 06:42 PM Share Posted Monday at 06:42 PM This is a game where I wouldn’t even mind if Caleb threw 5 interceptions. It’s about survival more than his development at this point. That ball needs to thrown in under 2.5 seconds. Whether to a receiver, out of bounds, or buried in the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted Monday at 06:50 PM Share Posted Monday at 06:50 PM If they go 4-13 there is zero reason for Poles or any other coach to come back. They are burning year one of the rookie contract with zero progression and little reason to believe they will not be blowing through year two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted Monday at 07:16 PM Share Posted Monday at 07:16 PM 34 minutes ago, Flash Tizzle said: This is a game where I wouldn’t even mind if Caleb threw 5 interceptions. It’s about survival more than his development at this point. That ball needs to thrown in under 2.5 seconds. Whether to a receiver, out of bounds, or buried in the ground. Given where the offensive line is, I don't think it's crazy to play Bagent tonight. From a simple risk vs. reward standpoint, both short term and long term, I'd sit Caleb tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted Monday at 07:48 PM Share Posted Monday at 07:48 PM 33 minutes ago, Tony said: Given where the offensive line is, I don't think it's crazy to play Bagent tonight. From a simple risk vs. reward standpoint, both short term and long term, I'd sit Caleb tonight. Agreed but the only person that can make that call is Warren or George. The others are fighting for their lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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