Kyyle23 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 On 1/14/2025 at 6:58 PM, Harry Chappas said: McCarthy is the safest bet to build Caleb and potentially overcome Bears organizational mismanagement. He gives me the Lovie vibe. Carroll is a slam dunk if not for his age. I have always appreciated McCarthy and I am not exactly certain why. What really sucks is Fangio getting is only HC shot coming off the Bears. Expand I think every Bears fan in Chicago can admit that McCarthy exudes Chicago guy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 There has definitely been a shift in tone from the fanbase when it comes to McCarthy. Last week, when news came out that the Bears wanted to interview him, I would say the general tone was extremely negative. Now it feels like the fanbase is bargaining that McCarthy might not be so bad. I don't think McCarthy is the worst you can do, but holy hell, we can definitely do better. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 On 1/14/2025 at 7:38 PM, chw42 said: There has definitely been a shift in tone from the fanbase when it comes to McCarthy. Last week, when news came out that the Bears wanted to interview him, I would say the general tone was extremely negative. Now it feels like the fanbase is bargaining that McCarthy might not be so bad. I don't think McCarthy is the worst you can do, but holy hell, we can definitely do better. Expand It isn’t bargaining, it’s resignation/acceptance. admittedly he does raise the floor a LOT. I just think this is the time to swing for the fences and the Bears are hoping for a single with three throwing errors to get them home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 On 1/14/2025 at 7:48 PM, Kyyle23 said: It isn’t bargaining, it’s resignation/acceptance. admittedly he does raise the floor a LOT. I just think this is the time to swing for the fences and the Bears are hoping for a single with three throwing errors to get them home Expand Especially because Ben Johnson has been the name fans have wanted for probably a year, nothing changed this season (if anything fans want him more) and he's sitting out there, waiting for a suitor to sign him up, AND has reportedly shown interest in the Bears job. All the Bears have to do is bring it home...and anyone that has followed the team knows how unlikely that is for the Bears to pull off...because it's the Bears. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Pedro Grifol is still available as a team-building associate...or would he have to forfeit some of his 2025 guaranteed salary from JR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 On 1/14/2025 at 7:48 PM, Kyyle23 said: It isn’t bargaining, it’s resignation/acceptance. admittedly he does raise the floor a LOT. I just think this is the time to swing for the fences and the Bears are hoping for a single with three throwing errors to get them home Expand I think there is a bit more pushing back on McCarthy as a bad coach because there was a sense that he was just a product of Aaron Rodgers, then a sense that Kellen Moore was the true genius, but when Moore left, the chargers struggled, and McCarthy led the cowboys to the number one offense…it definitely muddied the picture. He’s clearly not just a product of his talent, but also hasn’t appeared to have lifted a talent decrepit team to the playoffs. Anyway Johnson or bust. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 On 1/14/2025 at 2:07 PM, Chicago White Sox said: Ben Johnson should still be the dude over McCarthy. And right now, the cards have aligned in our favor for that to happen if the Deon rumors are true. Can Poles & Warren not f*** this up remains the question… Expand Your choices are working for Tom Brady or the Bears. I know who I am choosing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 On 1/14/2025 at 5:02 PM, greg775 said: Weird sarcasm coming from a guy who I thought liked me. I do not like Applebee's, never been to the one in Kansas. I do like the salad bar at that one restaurant I forget the name. Italian garden or whatever the name is. And I love Ozzeroo of course. McCarthy is a veteran coach, proven, Aikman upset the Cowboys fired him. Might figure ways to beat Green Bay, etc. Expand You've gone soft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 On 1/14/2025 at 11:42 PM, southsider2k5 said: Your choices are working for Tom Brady or the Bears. I know who I am choosing. Expand Mark Davis and part-time owner Tom Brady in a stadium where you'll never be the most popular team. Bears have their warts, but Raiders aren't a spring chicken. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 (edited) On 1/14/2025 at 2:47 PM, bmags said: Really? Cards seem to be aligning for Brady to let Johnson redesign the raiders in his image. Bears meanwhile are interviewing the packers OC for some reason Expand Raiders may be the only NFL org more dysfunctional than us. I obviously could be wrong, but I can’t imagine Brady as minority owner changes the calculus enough to offset the lack of a QB, lack of pick high enough to draft a good QB prospect, lack of weapons outside of Bowers, and a poor defense. Despite our holes in the trenches, we are much closer to being a competitive team than the Raiders are and that’s a huge plus for a first time HC in the NFL IMO. Edited January 15 by Chicago White Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 On 1/15/2025 at 12:37 AM, Quin said: Mark Davis and part-time owner Tom Brady in a stadium where you'll never be the most popular team. Bears have their warts, but Raiders aren't a spring chicken. Expand They also have no QB and might have to trade draft capital to draft one (good chance Ward and Sanders don't make it to 6). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 On 1/15/2025 at 1:06 AM, chw42 said: They also have no QB and might have to trade draft capital to draft one (good chance Ward and Sanders don't make it to 6). Expand Do you really think either of the top 2 teams is trading down? I’d assume the Raiders are after a Darnold, Fields, something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 On 1/15/2025 at 2:14 AM, Balta1701 said: Do you really think either of the top 2 teams is trading down? I’d assume the Raiders are after a Darnold, Fields, something like that. Expand You think fans were pissed this year? Watch Fields go to the Raiders, led by Ben Johnson, and light things up. That should be fun 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 15 Author Share Posted January 15 I saw this somewhere else - but this goes back to 2000-2024 and how McCarthys offenses have performed and who the qb was. I will notate 2017 with Packers was when Rodger’s was hurt (i think by Wooten or someone on Bears iirc): Mike McCarthy as OC in New Orleans and San Francisco ('00-'05) 00 - 10th in yards, 10th in points (Jeff Blake & Aaron Brooks) 01 - 10th in yards, 13th in points (Aaron Brooks) 02 - 19th in yards, 3rd in points (Aaron Brooks) 03 - 11th in yards, 14th in points (Aaron Brooks) 04 - 15th in yards, 14th in points (Aaron Brooks) 05 - 32nd in yards, 30th in points (had 4 different QBs start games - Alex Smith, Tim Rattay, Ken Dorsey, Cody Pickett) Mike McCarthy as Green Bay head coach ('06-'18) (Brett Favre through '07; Aaron Rodgers '08-onward) 06 - 9th in yards, 22nd in points 07 - 2nd in yards, 4th in points 08 - 8th in yards, 5th in points 09 - 6th in yards, 3rd in points 10 - 9th in yards, 10th in points 11 - 3rd in yards, 1st in points 12 - 13th in yards, 5th in points 13 - 3rd in yards, 8th in points 14 - 6th in yards, 1st in points 15 - 23rd in yards, 15th in points 16 - 8th in yards, 4th in points 17 - 26th in yards, 21st in points 18 - 12th in yards, 14th in points Mike McCarthy as Dallas head coach (''20-'24) 20 - 14th in yards, 17th in points (Andy Dalton & Dak Prescott) 21 - 1st in yards, 1st in points (Dak Prescott) 22 - 11th in yards, 4th in points (Dak Prescott & Cooper Rush) 23 - 5th in yards, 1st in points (the year McCarthy took over playcalling from Kellen Moore) (Dak Prescott) 24 - 17th in yards, 21st in points (Dak Prescott, Cooper Rush & Trey Lance) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 On 1/15/2025 at 2:14 AM, Balta1701 said: Do you really think either of the top 2 teams is trading down? I’d assume the Raiders are after a Darnold, Fields, something like that. Expand Darnold and Ben Johnson might actually work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chicago White Sox Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 (edited) On 1/15/2025 at 1:01 PM, Kyyle23 said: Expand I don’t like Vegas tempting the football gods like this…they will punish us Bears fans harshly by making Petzing the HC. Edited January 15 by Chicago White Sox 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 At this point, I'll be shocked if it isn't McCarthy. It just makes too much sense for the Bears FO and how they view things. Poles, and really everyone in that building is feeling the heat. It's been an awful three year stretch, let alone the last 15 years for the organization as a whole. There seemingly is less risk involved with a McCarthy hire, because you have a much better understanding of what the floor looks like. There is most likely a higher floor with McCarthy than there is with Ben Johnson, mostly having to do with the unknown with Johnson as a HC. But that obviously works the other way too, there is seemingly a much higher ceiling with Johnson, again because of the unknown. But McCarthy can check off a lot of boxes for the Bears in a press conference. Offensive mind, has won a Super Bowl, one of five coaches to lead a franchise to 8 straight playoff appearances. He's 61, so he should have another 8-10 years in the league if he wants. And George watch him beat the hell out of the Bears as HC for Green Bay. It just seems like the perfect marriage as the Bears would see it. I don't, I still think you take the bigger swing with Johnson, but I think that ship may have sailed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 On 1/15/2025 at 12:48 AM, Chicago White Sox said: Raiders may be the only NFL org more dysfunctional than us. I obviously could be wrong, but I can’t imagine Brady as minority owner changes the calculus enough to offset the lack of a QB, lack of pick high enough to draft a good QB prospect, lack of weapons outside of Bowers, and a poor defense. Despite our holes in the trenches, we are much closer to being a competitive team than the Raiders are and that’s a huge plus for a first time HC in the NFL IMO. Expand No offense but this reminds me of when the board was like "no way san diego can afford machado, their property payment is killer!". For all the talk of brady part time owner, what Ben Johnson could see there is a set-up exactly like detroit - where chris spielman became the 'football guy' that helped spur the hiring of holmes and campbell. He barely has an official title, like Brady, but is a big influence in helping guide the ship. And I really wonder if Johnson's experience with Goff has become formative. There was a story yesterday of the Commanders hearing from Johnson that they wanted him to keep Howell. We may see an org with no qb, johnson may see a place where daniel jones is going to be saved by him. But the x factor is really just that the raiders are openly courting johnson, desperate to have him, and the bears are reading the dictionary to try to figure out what a head coach is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Apparently Ben Johnson is down to +125 and McCarthy is at +200 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 On 1/15/2025 at 5:36 PM, Kyyle23 said: Apparently Ben Johnson is down to +125 and McCarthy is at +200 Expand I truly believe this is going to be a situation today where they "don't let him leave the building" They are flying him in on a private jet, rolling out the red carpet...think it's basically over if they are willing to shell out the money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted January 15 Author Share Posted January 15 On 1/15/2025 at 6:14 PM, Tony said: I truly believe this is going to be a situation today where they "don't let him leave the building" They are flying him in on a private jet, rolling out the red carpet...think it's basically over if they are willing to shell out the money Expand By the way (adding on what you said a few posts ago) - put yourself in Ryan Poles or even Kevin Warren's shoes. I really think at this point its down to Johnson or McCarthy. Johnson is the top young, potential high upside unknown on the market. McCarthy is the stable, high floor, good coach, with a proven track record of getting the most out of his QB's (and by the way his players genuinely seem to love him). You are sitting there in those seats and thinking of longevity - do you go for the homerun that could look like a disaster in 2 years or do you hire McCarthy and basically in reality that should (anything can happen) buy you a few years, if the ship is turning and you are heading in right direction...in 4-5 years you could always now pivot to say, its time to find the high upside coach who can jump in....but you are now 5 years down the road if you are Poles, if you've made the playoffs say 3 or 4 out of those 5 years...you are NOT on the hotseat, and instead are looking at another hire and probably a pretty safe path to say 10 years in the seat. In fairness - anything could happen, McCarthy could come in, you know he's got a high floor and it starts to show that Poles draft's and FA moves have been wrong and now he is out and McCarthy is staying (even in that scenario - if I'm Warren, I at least know I've put Caleb with a proven, bright offensive mind who is GOOD with QB's - so I've protected the franchise from that standpoint). I just think of the above and while there is the allure of Ben Johnson - do you really wait 3 weeks for the chance of Johnson and if you meet with Mike and really say hey this guy is different than what we've had in Chicago for a long time, this guy is Chicago, this guy is really good...do you really let him leave the building and interview for New Orleans while you chase the allure or Ben Johnson (who is going to get a huge offer from the Raiders - no doubt about it in my mind)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 On 1/15/2025 at 6:14 PM, Tony said: I truly believe this is going to be a situation today where they "don't let him leave the building" They are flying him in on a private jet, rolling out the red carpet...think it's basically over if they are willing to shell out the money Expand The one thing I’ll say is last week Courtney Cronin said that one thing bears will change this time is they will fly in candidates privately, not commercial. So I’m not gonna go crazy when that exact thing happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 On 1/15/2025 at 8:40 PM, bmags said: The one thing I’ll say is last week Courtney Cronin said that one thing bears will change this time is they will fly in candidates privately, not commercial. So I’m not gonna go crazy when that exact thing happens. Expand But if you're basing your opinion on what has been reported, Russini (same outlet as Courtney) reported this on Jan 8th: Seemingly, that has held true for the first 10 interviews the Bears have completed, including candidates like Pete Carroll, who had nothing stopping him from meeting in person for the first round of interviews. What changed with McCarthy? This is his first interview with the Bears, yet he's the only one that has been flown in. That's not nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 There’s bound to be a very interesting article written on this whole experience in a couple weeks/months. I really wonder if the Bears have received back channel news that Johnson will select the Raiders. Even with their organizational dysfunction, and equally tough division, Johnson will be given patience (for atleast a couple years). Expectations will be low and he can have a lot more input in roster construction than Chicago. It’s still a huge indictment on the Bears. I’d be willing to bet the number one issue is salary. LV will guarantee him more. Then everything else listed above adds to the decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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