24-25 NFL Thread

[Kyyle23]

[Harry Chappas]

17 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:

I always knew Flus was meh….but what this week has shown is Poles is no better cause he is now allowing this indecisiveness to rot the locker room and waste this season. 

Bloom is quickly fading off of the Poles rose. If not for the Carolina trade the Bears are no better off today then they when he took the job. 

The Alpha coach was a conversation yesterday and will continue to pop up that Warren and Poles are not hiring the correct person due to their insecurities and/or fiscal restraint.

Ben Johnson is going to want $12M.  Virginia and George are not going for that.  

The next coaching regime will be the same cast of cheap dolting yes men.

Edited Tuesday at 02:40 PM by Harry Chappas

[bmags]

31 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:

I always knew Flus was meh….but what this week has shown is Poles is no better cause he is now allowing this indecisiveness to rot the locker room and waste this season. 

Roseman chooses coordinators. Flus should have never had that power after Getsy

[bmags]

scariest thing to me right now is we keep hearing about all these offensive players stressing that people aren't practicing hard, don't have details ready. DJ's alluded to it, swift, jaylon johnson, we have the receivers saying they need to coach harder...

starting to run out of people they could be talking about that aren't Caleb.

[LittleHurtCG]

54 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

Fired after 9 games. Who the hell hired this guy in the first place? 

Uberflus is next after the season if not before. 

Poles won't have anywhere to hide after that happens and the axe will fall on him soon enough as well. 

 

[whitesoxfan99]

47 minutes ago, bmags said:

Roseman chooses coordinators. Flus should have never had that power after Getsy

Firing Flus was the most obvious of obvious decisions after last year.  The team was bad for the second year in a row and he had to fire both coordinators. They knew they were going to take a QB #1 so bringing in a new head coach (preferably one with a good offensive mind) was unbelievably obvious.  Poles not recognizing that means he is a dumbass too and should go as well after this season.

[bmags]

42 minutes ago, whitesoxfan99 said:

Firing Flus was the most obvious of obvious decisions after last year.  The team was bad for the second year in a row and he had to fire both coordinators. They knew they were going to take a QB #1 so bringing in a new head coach (preferably one with a good offensive mind) was unbelievably obvious.  Poles not recognizing that means he is a dumbass too and should go as well after this season.

I'm inclined to agree. He has been extremely disciplined and the org is in a good spot otherwise. But there were so many awesome coaches available. Hell, there were so many awesome coordinators.

I mean go back to the flus hire. It was between him and Dan Quinn. Quinn clearly was superior. Kevin O'Connell was that cycle, one of the best coaches in the league. Mike McDaniel - at least one of the best offensive minds.

KOC and McDaniel weren't finalists though. Caldwell went on to coach Bryce Young with Reich and get let go. Leslie Frasier retired or something. And, uh. Eberflus. 

McCaskey sucks so much. Bulls. Bears. Sox. No hope.

[Kyyle23]

I think if Packers smoke them on Sunday, Flus is out.  

[bmags]

5 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

I think if Packers smoke them on Sunday, Flus is out.  

I wish I could believe this. I think we are already walking dead with him. At this point the only thing that matters is caleb digging out of this slump. It really was just a few weeks ago he looked awesome.

[Kyyle23]

3 minutes ago, bmags said:

I wish I could believe this. I think we are already walking dead with him. At this point the only thing that matters is caleb digging out of this slump. It really was just a few weeks ago he looked awesome.

I don’t think a mere loss gets it done, but if that place is booing like it did this past Sunday and they lose by 2+ TDs again, I have a hard time seeing them letting him captain this ship any longer 

 

[WhiteSox2023]

3 hours ago, Flash Tizzle said:

We’re already having the “(Insert Bears QB) is our starter” statement, lol. 

When I stepped away from the local talk radio, blog, YouTube environment, it really highlighted the difference in how we’re viewing his struggles. I’d say most of the local focus is on the coaching, OL. Nationally, Caleb is getting destroyed. And there’s a lot of analysis video suggesting he has been terrible.

Not that one side is wrong or right, but I do feel local fans are just trying not to think of the possibility they picked the wrong QB (again)

It’s quite possible they did yet again.  Look no further than Jayden Daniels.

[WhiteSox2023]

2 hours ago, Kyyle23 said:

Poles needs to start feeling some 🔥.  Not cleaning house of Eberflus and gang last offseason to start fresh with an entirely new coaching staff for your new rookie franchise QB was a terrible decision.

Edited Tuesday at 04:49 PM by WhiteSox2023

[Chisoxfn]

1 hour ago, bmags said:

scariest thing to me right now is we keep hearing about all these offensive players stressing that people aren't practicing hard, don't have details ready. DJ's alluded to it, swift, jaylon johnson, we have the receivers saying they need to coach harder...

starting to run out of people they could be talking about that aren't Caleb.

Biggs has been indicating the offensive players haven't been impressed since the season started. Its been pretty clear.  I think Waldron doesn't know how to put that pressure on. I don't know that Brown does either. They just let McVay do it in their day and it isn't like Brown was a best with the Panthers.  

At this point - it is just so sickening to me they could have gotten Harbaugh and didn't. Those types of coaches who are cultural game changers don't grow on trees.  Tomlin(s), Harbaugh(s), Reid, etc.  I don't think Lincoln Riley is that - I have zero interest in him. I'd rather go Kingsbury and I'm still not sold there.  But if Kingsbury could come with a Vrabel that might change me.  

I actually don't mind Vrabel at this point - because i don't think he's a bad coach.  Ben Johnson I am fine with - my only hesitation is how much is Campbell driving the pressure and culture vs. the x's and o'x that Ben does. Can he drive a culture and set it and be the HC.  

[Kyyle23]

22 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:

Biggs has been indicating the offensive players haven't been impressed since the season started. Its been pretty clear.  I think Waldron doesn't know how to put that pressure on. I don't know that Brown does either. They just let McVay do it in their day and it isn't like Brown was a best with the Panthers.  

At this point - it is just so sickening to me they could have gotten Harbaugh and didn't. Those types of coaches who are cultural game changers don't grow on trees.  Tomlin(s), Harbaugh(s), Reid, etc.  I don't think Lincoln Riley is that - I have zero interest in him. I'd rather go Kingsbury and I'm still not sold there.  But if Kingsbury could come with a Vrabel that might change me.  

I actually don't mind Vrabel at this point - because i don't think he's a bad coach.  Ben Johnson I am fine with - my only hesitation is how much is Campbell driving the pressure and culture vs. the x's and o'x that Ben does. Can he drive a culture and set it and be the HC.  

It is truly unbelievable that we are here in this spot, again.   And none of us trust that the next -fully- correct move is made, which is to clean house of the coaching staff.  You just know that they will retain some of them because the bears don’t like paying people to go away

[Tony]

2 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

It is truly unbelievable that we are here in this spot, again.   And none of us trust that the next -fully- correct move is made, which is to clean house of the coaching staff.  You just know that they will retain some of them because the bears don’t like paying people to go away

I don't know how any sane individual can trust anything the Bears do moving forward, until ownership is changed. 

This seemed like they finally got it right. Poles seemed like a great hire, they finally brought in a true team president that has had success elsewhere, they had the No. 1 overall selection and drafted a QB basically everyone was in agreement on that he was the No. 1 QB in the class. 

After Mitch, Fields, Caleb, Nagy, Eberflus, Getsy, Waldron, Pace, Poles...I just can't bring myself to believe in them until  they're in the playoffs in consecutive years and it truly seems like it can't fail (basically the Chiefs) 

I remember a while back, Parkman was ridiculed on here about saying "Doesn't matter what QB is drafted by the Bears, he won't be good." And while that was sort of a typical post by Parkman back then...I don't think he was very far off in that assessment. This just isn't a quality franchise that gets the best out of people. We've seen it too many times for it to just be bad luck. 

[Kyyle23]

 

[whitesoxfan99]

1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

It’s quite possible they did yet again.  Look no further than Jayden Daniels.

I'm quite confident at this point that any of the other rookie QBs would be total disasters in this scheme and with this oline.  The number of plays where the QB just has zero chance on film is stunning.  And now Williams is playing hesitant bad football on top of it (and I think he has been hammered over the head with being conservative which is why even on the few occasions someone is actually open the ball is slow to come out).

[Harry Chappas]

50 minutes ago, Tony said:

I don't know how any sane individual can trust anything the Bears do moving forward, until ownership is changed. 

This seemed like they finally got it right. Poles seemed like a great hire, they finally brought in a true team president that has had success elsewhere, they had the No. 1 overall selection and drafted a QB basically everyone was in agreement on that he was the No. 1 QB in the class. 

After Mitch, Fields, Caleb, Nagy, Eberflus, Getsy, Waldron, Pace, Poles...I just can't bring myself to believe in them until  they're in the playoffs in consecutive years and it truly seems like it can't fail (basically the Chiefs) 

I remember a while back, Parkman was ridiculed on here about saying "Doesn't matter what QB is drafted by the Bears, he won't be good." And while that was sort of a typical post by Parkman back then...I don't think he was very far off in that assessment. This just isn't a quality franchise that gets the best out of people. We've seen it too many times for it to just be bad luck. 

The team has been run by the accountant (Phillips) and ticket manager (George) for the last 15 years.  You wonder why they seem to be behind in the times.

[Chisoxfn]

1 hour ago, Tony said:

I don't know how any sane individual can trust anything the Bears do moving forward, until ownership is changed. 

This seemed like they finally got it right. Poles seemed like a great hire, they finally brought in a true team president that has had success elsewhere, they had the No. 1 overall selection and drafted a QB basically everyone was in agreement on that he was the No. 1 QB in the class. 

After Mitch, Fields, Caleb, Nagy, Eberflus, Getsy, Waldron, Pace, Poles...I just can't bring myself to believe in them until  they're in the playoffs in consecutive years and it truly seems like it can't fail (basically the Chiefs) 

I remember a while back, Parkman was ridiculed on here about saying "Doesn't matter what QB is drafted by the Bears, he won't be good." And while that was sort of a typical post by Parkman back then...I don't think he was very far off in that assessment. This just isn't a quality franchise that gets the best out of people. We've seen it too many times for it to just be bad luck. 

It was so close - I can live with whiffing on Keenen, you kind of live and learn there.  I just think we have too much to go around and the guys aren't bought in right now - which is a HUGE issue on offense. There is clearly no buy-in.  I think they put WAY too much on the rookie QB (in hindsight easy to say) and its kind of creating a total mess.  At this point - there has to be a hard reset back to the basics and a big shift.  

But they could have nailed it - get Harbaugh or just start the clock fresh immediately and you are at least in a better spot.  But I get the concept of good franchise(s) usually are more patient franchise(s)...but it just doesn't work.  

[southsider2k5]

2 hours ago, Kyyle23 said:

I think if Packers smoke them on Sunday, Flus is out.  

I can't understand why they wouldn't tbh.

[southsider2k5]

1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

It’s quite possible they did yet again.  Look no further than Jayden Daniels.

I don't believe that Daniels, or anyone else, would be succeeding with the Beras.

[Chisoxfn]

Completely agree.  I think Caleb is part of this and he has to be better - but this was just not a good move.  Year one was always going to be a learning year - and there has been good - but I don't want to see the rest of the season be bad.  They got to really work to get this right. If I'm Poles and Cunningham I'm getting my hands very dirty here as well - because the future of the franchise and their jobs rests on Caleb as well so they got to be embedded and more involved in what changes will be made because they are the only ones that are really going to be sticking around over the long-run (or who have a shot at it). 

But Thomas Brown - he clearly has all kinds of skin in the game here. He turns this ship around - he is the absolute biggest beneficiary. Flus is gone at this point - but there is the element of pride and getting that next gig.  I was also kind of surprised in fairness that they didn't make a change on the oline either.  

2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

I don't believe that Daniels, or anyone else, would be succeeding with the Beras.

[Chisoxfn]

And right now - I don't need wholesale improvements overnight - but I need to start seeing progress. Start there - reset the season and get back to the basics. Can't scrap a playbook overnight, but you can shrink it and really dial it in.  Hopefully the players can rally around Brown cause it just seems like there is a lot of talk from the offense but little backing it up.

Defensively they talk but largely back it up.  

[bmags]

2 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

It’s quite possible they did yet again.  Look no further than Jayden Daniels.

It’s possible, of course. On the other hand I find it amazing that in the year we find out that darnold, baker, geno, Goff are some of the best QBs in the league … at the same time we are calling busts vs stars the rookie class.

Id also add that Caleb is by far the youngest of this current class. If he was Daniel’s he’d be transferring to LSU now.

His story isn’t written.

[Harry Chappas]

21 minutes ago, bmags said:

It’s possible, of course. On the other hand I find it amazing that in the year we find out that darnold, baker, geno, Goff are some of the best QBs in the league … at the same time we are calling busts vs stars the rookie class.

Id also add that Caleb is by far the youngest of this current class. If he was Daniel’s he’d be transferring to LSU now.

His story isn’t written.

That is kind of missed in this comparative.  Pennix, Daniels and Nix seemed to be in college for ever.