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[bmags]

10 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

I just can’t understand this thinking.   I would fire flus if he ran the table, this guy sucks and we all know it

correct. Though if he did that, they'll keep him, and once again i'll have to convince myself "but maybe it will work for us?"

That said...I just don't want to see the players fail. 

[Tony]

19 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

I just can’t understand this thinking.   I would fire flus if he ran the table, this guy sucks and we all know it

I mean, I want Flus gone as well. But if he ran the table, they would finish the season 12-5, without question make the playoffs, and these last three weeks would be an absolute afterthought. 

 

[Quin]

11 minutes ago, bmags said:

correct. Though if he did that, they'll keep him, and once again i'll have to convince myself "but maybe it will work for us?"

That said...I just don't want to see the players fail. 

It'd be this, which is basically every GM in this town:

[Kyyle23]

4 minutes ago, Tony said:

I mean, I want Flus gone as well. But if he ran the table, they would finish the season 12-5, without question make the playoffs, and these last three weeks would be an absolute afterthought. 

 

Yea I know, it’s crazy and likely more hyperbole, but It also will not happen, and we both know that.  And the tragedy for me is what Dick wrote, in that 9-8 is an acceptable record to keep him, as if slightly above .500 record in the final 8 games keeps him as HC.  We heard the same things last season, and it was an absolute mirage and it has COST the bears dearly in development time for the entire organization, not just Caleb.  But it has cost Caleb a lot because he very likely will be on his third OC within 3 months 

and DA, this isn’t a shot at you.  You are far from the only person I have heard that will accept 9-8 as a reason to keep him.  

[Tony]

7 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

Yea I know, it’s crazy and likely more hyperbole, but It also will not happen, and we both know that.  And the tragedy for me is what Dick wrote, in that 9-8 is an acceptable record to keep him, as if slightly above .500 record in the final 8 games keeps him as HC.  We heard the same things last season, and it was an absolute mirage and it has COST the bears dearly in development time for the entire organization, not just Caleb.  But it has cost Caleb a lot because he very likely will be on his third OC within 3 months 

and DA, this isn’t a shot at you.  You are far from the only person I have heard that will accept 9-8 as a reason to keep him.  

I also agree that if they are 9-8, really no matter how they get there, he should be gone. Also don't think it's mathematically possible, but if they won 9 games and somehow made the playoffs, there is no way he doesn't come back. Again, everyone here is agreeing no one wants Flus back, I think we're talking about realistically what WILL happen...but I certainly hope internally, he would have to pull off some real magic to keep his job at the end of the year. He should have been fired last season, and certainly this Monday....but here we are.

[Harry Chappas]

38 minutes ago, Tony said:

I also agree that if they are 9-8, really no matter how they get there, he should be gone. Also don't think it's mathematically possible, but if they won 9 games and somehow made the playoffs, there is no way he doesn't come back. Again, everyone here is agreeing no one wants Flus back, I think we're talking about realistically what WILL happen...but I certainly hope internally, he would have to pull off some real magic to keep his job at the end of the year. He should have been fired last season, and certainly this Monday....but here we are.

The likelihood of them going 9-8 is on par with Chris Getz saving a year of learning by a new GM.  If everything went right they were not finishing the year 4-4 based on the quality of opponents.

They needed to be 6-3 at this point to maybe make the playoffs.

[Tony]

5 minutes ago, Harry Chappas said:

The likelihood of them going 9-8 is on par with Chris Getz saving a year of learning by a new GM.  If everything went right they were not finishing the year 4-4 based on the quality of opponents.

They needed to be 6-3 at this point to maybe make the playoffs.

This is like arguing about Chris Sale getting traded, and some fans not understanding no one WANTS to trade him, but they understand the situation the Sox are in. 

I don't think they are going 9-8. Neither does Dick Allen. We're simply stating how  he would stay

[Flash Tizzle]

5 hours ago, Kyyle23 said:

I want Caleb to get back on track, but The last thing I want is another late season mirage that convinces everyone that Flus figured it out again.  I don’t believe they will but if we are sitting here at the end of the season and they pulled off a 4-4 record from now,  I could absolutely see that happening 

So many are quick to dismiss this scenario, but I agree with you. If the Bears finish 4-4 they may still remain winless on the road (albeit against tough opponents), but a lot depends on how those games fare. If they play to their talent, it’s entirely possible. 

Are they close losses/wins? Are there more losses where the Bears have a 90%+ probability of winning? The bar has already been set so low for this team because of their strength of schedule.

Also, If Williams has “improved” (which is subjective, but let’s say much better than his recent spiral), does Brown stay as OC?  Are we looking for a new HC who will bring in his own OC? If Williams does look much better, I could really see the org keeping everything in place for continuity purposes. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Flash Tizzle

[Kyyle23]

1 hour ago, Flash Tizzle said:

So many are quick to dismiss this scenario, but I agree with you. If the Bears finish 4-4 they may still remain winless on the road (albeit against tough opponents), but a lot depends on how those games fare. If they play to their talent, it’s entirely possible. 

Are they close losses/wins? Are there more losses where the Bears have a 90%+ probability of winning? The bar has already been set so low for this team because of their strength of schedule.

Also, If Williams has “improved” (which is subjective, but let’s say much better than his recent spiral), does Brown stay as OC?  Are we looking for a new HC who will bring in his own OC? If Williams does look much better, I could really see the org keeping everything in place for continuity purposes. 

I believe this leaves Flus at 3-22 as a head coach on the road 

so to get back to .500 he would need to go 2 1/2 seasons undefeated on the road.  I don’t know about you guys but I don’t think he gets there 

[Flash Tizzle]

16 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

I believe this leaves Flus at 3-22 as a head coach on the road 

so to get back to .500 he would need to go 2 1/2 seasons undefeated on the road.  I don’t know about you guys but I don’t think he gets there 

I meant of the 8 remaining games, 4 are at home; and in that hypothetical scenario if they were to go 4-4, I could see those 4 wins coming at home.

I was throwing out a, “most realistic” best case scenario

 

[Kyyle23]

43 minutes ago, Flash Tizzle said:

I meant of the 8 remaining games, 4 are at home; and in that hypothetical scenario if they were to go 4-4, I could see those 4 wins coming at home.

I was throwing out a, “most realistic” best case scenario

 

No, I’m not correcting you.  I’m just throwing out out fearless leaders numbers on the road for context in finishing this season 

[caulfield12]

Williams is having one of the worst QB seasons in recent memory, ranking last among 106 quarterbacks since 2021 in catchable throw rate. He also ranks last in pressure-to-sack ratio over that span.

Chicago’s offensive line has been average in pass blocking, while Williams has the highest average time to pressure in the league. When not pressured, Williams ranks 31st in Success Rate. He has the worst completion percentage on throws 15+ yards among 468 QBs over the past 15 years. Williams’ first career nine starts haven’t been quite as bad as Bryce Young or David Carr, but he’s right in their territory.

Williams has faced the third easiest schedule-adjusted QB schedule so far! And he gets the eighth toughest moving forward. When not facing Jacksonville or Carolina defenses that rank bottom-three in EPA/pass this season, Williams has averaged 179.3 passing yards (5.3 YPA!) with only three touchdown passes over seven games. The Bears fired OC Shane Waldron, and even the discussion of benching Williams is shocking for someone with his college resume. Reportedly, some veteran teammates are calling for Tyson Bagent.

https://sports.yahoo.com/fantasy-football-panic-meter-caleb-williams-and-the-bears-are-down-bad-155703368.html

Edited 1 hour ago by caulfield12