24-25 NFL Thread

[almagest]

14 hours ago, Chisoxfn said:

Also requested Monkin (Ravens OC). Lamar is impressive so don’t know how much is Monkin vs Lamar and having Henry. 

Henry sure helps, but the Ravens have been much better with Monken than without, even with Lamar:

Ravens with Monken:
2024: 1st in yards and 3rd in points.
2023: 5th in yards and 4th in points.

Ravens without Monken:
2022: 16th in yards and 19th in points.
2021: 6th in yards and 17th in points.
2020 19th in yards and 7th in points.

[bmags]

2 hours ago, almagest said:

Henry sure helps, but the Ravens have been much better with Monken than without, even with Lamar:

Ravens with Monken:
2024: 1st in yards and 3rd in points.
2023: 5th in yards and 4th in points.

Ravens without Monken:
2022: 16th in yards and 19th in points.
2021: 6th in yards and 17th in points.
2020 19th in yards and 7th in points.

Has a very similar resume to Daboll, including the "at same level" for a while. Unclear why people didn't tap him after success in Tampa, etc but he's been dynamite since moving to College.

[bmags]

I know some will say it doesn't hurt to talk, but I think this indicates the bears overweighing the importance of interviews in this process. 

[Harry Chappas]

22 minutes ago, bmags said:

I know some will say it doesn't hurt to talk, but I think this indicates the bears overweighing the importance of interviews in this process. 

They interviewed nine OC candidates and missed badly.  In their case interviewing more candidates does not have a history of success.

[Balta1701]

2 hours ago, bmags said:

I know some will say it doesn't hurt to talk, but I think this indicates the bears overweighing the importance of interviews in this process. 

Just adding another possibly useful detail:

 

 

[Dick Allen]

The Bears are so out of touch with reality, they still believe they will be building a new stadium on the lakefront this year. LMAO.

[Flash Tizzle]

36 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Just adding another possibly useful detail:

 

 

This has to be Warren’s idea. Ask all the candidates to prepare a PowerPoint presentation for their specific plan. The more graphs, the better. 

Is there any way this won’t be screwed up? 

[Tony]

6 minutes ago, Flash Tizzle said:

This has to be Warren’s idea. Ask all the candidates to prepare a PowerPoint presentation for their specific plan. The more graphs, the better. 

Is there any way this won’t be screwed up? 

After watching the presser…odds seem very low they won’t overthink this and f*** it up. It’s the Bears 

[Dick Allen]

Also, their schedule next season is going to be brutal. 

[Soxfest]

Poles like McCaskey exudes pure ineptness 

[Flash Tizzle]

32 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

Also, their schedule next season is going to be brutal. 

Wow you weren’t kidding. There’s maybe 5-6 wins 

[bmags]

1 hour ago, Flash Tizzle said:

This has to be Warren’s idea. Ask all the candidates to prepare a PowerPoint presentation for their specific plan. The more graphs, the better. 

Is there any way this won’t be screwed up? 

George Ofman is not a real reporter anymore. Bears are idiots, but I don't put much into his insight.

[Quin]

1 hour ago, Flash Tizzle said:

This has to be Warren’s idea. Ask all the candidates to prepare a PowerPoint presentation for their specific plan. The more graphs, the better. 

Is there any way this won’t be screwed up? 

Slide 1: How to be a Leader of Men

- Lead men

- Bear down

- Get tough

Slide 2: The grind

- Wake up at 4:30 a.m. (no alarm)

- "Steel the mind"

- Workout to 90s playlist

- Take notes, pray to sketches of Halas

Slide 3: Take the North

- Run the ball

- Big hits!

- O-line?

- Lead the men

 

 

[southsider2k5]

50 minutes ago, Quin said:

Slide 1: How to be a Leader of Men

- Lead men

- Bear down

- Get tough

Slide 2: The grind

- Wake up at 4:30 a.m. (no alarm)

- "Steel the mind"

- Workout to 90s playlist

- Take notes, pray to sketches of Halas

Slide 3: Take the North

- Run the ball

- Big hits!

- O-line?

- Lead the men

 

 

It's like the football equal of "baseball men".

[Chisoxfn]

I listened to Poles talk today - I could not have been less impressed with anything he said.  Gave me absolutely zero confidence...in fact it gave me negative confidence.  

[Texsox]

12 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:

 it gave me negative confidence.  

You need to trademark that phrase. 

[WhiteSox2023]

53 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:

I listened to Poles talk today - I could not have been less impressed with anything he said.  Gave me absolutely zero confidence...in fact it gave me negative confidence.  

Dead GM walking.  Poles was more worried about telling everyone how the media reports were BS and that he gets along fine with Kevin Warren.

Poles asking the one reporter to explain what he meant by Caleb being subjected to disruption and stress in his rookie season was embarrassing, and the reporter then owned him by responding immediately — “his OC was fired, his head coach was fired, a lot of turmoil during his rookie season…”  🤣

Poles also wouldn’t admit to how long he is under contract for or if he received an extension.  🤡 

https://www.chicagobears.com/video/ryan-poles-media-availability-press-conference-end-of-season-2024

Edited 18 hours ago by WhiteSox2023

[Chisoxfn]

1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Dead GM walking.  Poles was more worried about telling everyone how the media reports were BS and that he gets along fine with Kevin Warren.

Poles asking the one reporter to explain what he meant by Caleb being subjected to disruption and stress in his rookie season was embarrassing, and the reporter then owned him by responding immediately — “his OC was fired, his head coach was fired, a lot of turmoil during his rookie season…”  🤣

Poles also wouldn’t admit to how long he is under contract for or if he received an extension.  🤡 

https://www.chicagobears.com/video/ryan-poles-media-availability-press-conference-end-of-season-2024

Just the way he spoke - he is just so in over his head. Don't know how else to describe it. It isn't like he's a bad speaker, he just has no alpha in him (or at least it doesn't come off) and he doesn't strike me as someone overly confident or assertive either.  So many things he said where I was like well that doesn't sound great, or that doesn't excude confidence.  

I really go back to - Bears pride themselves on sharpest interview answer and most Corporate company CEO type of person and less on who actually has what it takes to run a professional football organization and drive real change.  

Ryan Pace had way more of that in him than Poles.  I just hope I'm wrong and its just more of a - he doesn't want to be overly negative on past regime and prefers saying nothing and deep down he crushes it. But its back to - he saw this stuff in training camp, let it all slide, ignored it.  This wasn't his first training camp - like come on.  

[SoxAce]

 

 

 

[Chisoxfn]

Kind of interesting at least they are getting to talk with a legend like Pete. 

[Boopa1219]

Hiring Kevin Warren might be one of the worst things the Bears have ever done. It seemed like Poles was operating the ship just fine, it seems like everything has become so messy since Warren has come on board. I also have serious doubts about his ability to get THIS TEAM a stadium/entertainment complex. The hire is looking really bad right now 

[Kyyle23]

2 hours ago, Boopa1219 said:

Hiring Kevin Warren might be one of the worst things the Bears have ever done. It seemed like Poles was operating the ship just fine, it seems like everything has become so messy since Warren has come on board. I also have serious doubts about his ability to get THIS TEAM a stadium/entertainment complex. The hire is looking really bad right now 

I’m not really seeing that Warren caused this.  He may have exacerbated it by not intervening last offseason when the discussion about Eberflus retaining his job was happening, but Poles certainly was not doing just fine when Warren was hired.  The Bears first year under Poles was extremely bad and had yet another 10 loss run.  

[Boopa1219]

49 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

I’m not really seeing that Warren caused this.  He may have exacerbated it by not intervening last offseason when the discussion about Eberflus retaining his job was happening, but Poles certainly was not doing just fine when Warren was hired.  The Bears first year under Poles was extremely bad and had yet another 10 loss run.  

I agree that Poles hasn’t maximized his assets and made a mistake by building the team outside in but the franchise was dysfunctional. Yeah he made a mistake by bringing back Eberflus but it was clear who was making the decisions.

Warren comes in and we don’t know who is responsible for what. Who made the call to fire Everflus? Does Poles have to go to Warren on approval on matters related to the 53.

I mean today, Poles had a press conference, and immediately afterwards George and Warren had their own. A lot of what they said was dumb, some contradictory. There’s too many cooks in the kitchen. 

[Kyyle23]

36 minutes ago, Boopa1219 said:

I agree that Poles hasn’t maximized his assets and made a mistake by building the team outside in but the franchise was dysfunctional. Yeah he made a mistake by bringing back Eberflus but it was clear who was making the decisions.

Warren comes in and we don’t know who is responsible for what. Who made the call to fire Everflus? Does Poles have to go to Warren on approval on matters related to the 53.

I mean today, Poles had a press conference, and immediately afterwards George and Warren had their own. A lot of what they said was dumb, some contradictory. There’s too many cooks in the kitchen. 

I don’t disagree with the last part at all, it was a bad look.  I was listening to the score and someone brought up(I think Rahimi) that Warren was brought in to build a stadium and preside over the business side, and Poles was supposed to be running the football side.  Now Warren is forced to do both, which is where a lot of the muddied waters are lying.    But, sadly, this brings us right back to my previous point that last offseason they had one task and that was to support Caleb and they blew it by retaining Flus and doubled down on blowing it by hiring Waldron.  It’s hard for me to sit here and believe that Poles should be picking the next guys but it is what it is now and all I can do is hope that he learned from his previous mistakes and will make the correct hires during this cycle.  

[bmags]

I find it funny that a few months ago the claim against Warren was that he was an empty suit doing nothing, now the main claim is he is meddling too much in football ops.