24-25 NFL Thread

[Chisoxfn]

3 hours ago, bmags said:

Truth be told I think this is a great year to hire a coach. I’m not super anti McCarthy or Carroll.

I really need football, so I hope they get this right…but this “explore every nook” HC search as if they are an org like the packers that will uncover a McCarthy or lafleur after bad years…I have low expectations I guess.

So I guess cards on the table, I still only really want Johnson.

Id be ok with Carroll and McCarthy (I know, but I would)

I’d be ok enough with Monken, Brady. 
Id be happy with Kliff (doesn’t sound like that’s a thing tho).

but it really feels like it’ll be like Matt Campbell or like that northwestern coach or some s%*#

It is - really good vet candidates plus Johnson and Monkin and Glenn. Bears are who scare me. 

[almagest]

https://www.nfl.com/news/deion-sanders-cowboys-have-mutual-interest-in-vacant-dallas-head-coaching-job

[Chisoxfn]

39 minutes ago, almagest said:

https://www.nfl.com/news/deion-sanders-cowboys-have-mutual-interest-in-vacant-dallas-head-coaching-job

I really want to see this happen - sit back and eat your popcorn, the fireworks will be so awesome and entertaining! 

[caulfield12]

1 hour ago, Chisoxfn said:

It is - really good vet candidates plus Johnson and Monkin and Glenn. Bears are who scare me. 

Monken.

[greg775]

Slam dunk. Bears next coach has to be McCarthy. He's only 61. He could be the coach of our next good team. If he's Bears coach til 71 you can't convince me he won't win at least one SB.

[caulfield12]

6 hours ago, greg775 said:

Slam dunk. Bears next coach has to be McCarthy. He's only 61. He could be the coach of our next good team. If he's Bears coach til 71 you can't convince me he won't win at least one SB.

He's the new Ozzie Guillen and also a good dinner companion at Applebee's?

[Tony]

6 hours ago, greg775 said:

Slam dunk. Bears next coach has to be McCarthy. He's only 61. He could be the coach of our next good team. If he's Bears coach til 71 you can't convince me he won't win at least one SB.

I’ll give it a shot…no coach has ever won the Super Bowl with two different teams, and I don’t know why we think Mike McCarthy would be the first one to do it 

[caulfield12]

5 minutes ago, Tony said:

I’ll give it a shot…no coach has ever won the Super Bowl with two different teams, and I don’t know why we think Mike McCarthy would be the first one to do it 

Well, that kind of rules out Carroll then...or his age.

[Tony]

4 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Well, that kind of rules out Carroll then...or his age.

Pete Carroll has never made sense to me. He’s 73. You should be looking for your next head coach that will be here for the next decade. That has to be the goal. Usually doesn’t work, but that has to be what who you’re trying to find. I don’t think anyone thinks, including Carroll, that he’ll be coaching at 83. So if that’s the case, why is he even a realistic option?

[Tony]

Vikings had a great season, but amazing how bad things can look at one game.

- Not sure you can give Darnold a new deal after that performance last night, it was horrific. 
 

- The Vikings have 37 FA’s set to be FA’s this offseason. 
 

- They currently have 3 draft picks for 2025, a 1st and two 5th’s. They traded their 2nd, 3rd and 4th to move up last year to take Dallas Turner, who had a mediocre rookie year, and Jared Verse was still on the board. 

[Kyyle23]

What I learned last night is that the Vikings should give up on O’Connell and trade him to the Bears

[Chicago White Sox]

Ben Johnson should still be the dude over McCarthy.  And right now, the cards have aligned in our favor for that to happen if the Deon rumors are true.  Can Poles & Warren not f*** this up remains the question…

[Kyyle23]

Deion rumors are a little strange in that he really wants to coach his kid and that really seems impossible if he were to go to Dallas

[Balta1701]

1 hour ago, Tony said:

Pete Carroll has never made sense to me. He’s 73. You should be looking for your next head coach that will be here for the next decade. That has to be the goal. Usually doesn’t work, but that has to be what who you’re trying to find. I don’t think anyone thinks, including Carroll, that he’ll be coaching at 83. So if that’s the case, why is he even a realistic option?

Since Lovie was fired the Bears have hired Trestman, Fox, Nagy, and Eberflus. Are any of these good coaches?

Pete Carroll is a good coach. He has a Super Bowl ring and almost another. He clearly was key in developing players on both offense and defense. He dealt with the loss and turnover of players that is the modern NFL and stayed in the playoffs. He dealt with a prima Donna QB. He then had a castoff from the Jets who turned into a starting QB. He builds a good system and hires staff who go on to be head coaches. All of this is a drastic upgrade from where the Bears have been.

He is not my favorite choice for exactly the reason you state. I’m not sure why he would want to get back into coaching, why he retired, or what his future plans are. At the very least he has earned an interview and fair consideration. If things go sideways with Johnson, he is a strong second option. There is a nonzero chance that the Bears hire a hotshot coordinator and in 2 years the Bears are hiring a new GM and coach and saying damn we wasted Williams’s cheap years and we coulda had Pete Carroll.

[bmags]

43 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Ben Johnson should still be the dude over McCarthy.  And right now, the cards have aligned in our favor for that to happen if the Deon rumors are true.  Can Poles & Warren not f*** this up remains the question…

Really? Cards seem to be aligning for Brady to let Johnson redesign the raiders in his image. Bears meanwhile are interviewing the packers OC for some reason

[Flash Tizzle]

11 minutes ago, bmags said:

Really? Cards seem to be aligning for Brady to let Johnson redesign the raiders in his image. Bears meanwhile are interviewing the packers OC for some reason

If I was Johnson, and really wanted to screw with the Bears on the way out of Detroit, I’d string them along as long as possible before selecting another team. How long can the Bears wait? Especially the further along Detroit moves in the playoffs. Raiders may be the choice by default. 

[Chisoxfn]

39 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Since Lovie was fired the Bears have hired Trestman, Fox, Nagy, and Eberflus. Are any of these good coaches?

Pete Carroll is a good coach. He has a Super Bowl ring and almost another. He clearly was key in developing players on both offense and defense. He dealt with the loss and turnover of players that is the modern NFL and stayed in the playoffs. He dealt with a prima Donna QB. He then had a castoff from the Jets who turned into a starting QB. He builds a good system and hires staff who go on to be head coaches. All of this is a drastic upgrade from where the Bears have been.

He is not my favorite choice for exactly the reason you state. I’m not sure why he would want to get back into coaching, why he retired, or what his future plans are. At the very least he has earned an interview and fair consideration. If things go sideways with Johnson, he is a strong second option. There is a nonzero chance that the Bears hire a hotshot coordinator and in 2 years the Bears are hiring a new GM and coach and saying damn we wasted Williams’s cheap years and we coulda had Pete Carroll.

Exactly this. It sounds nice to say next coach for next 10 years but reality is this hire has to be the person who gets Caleb on track to be an all Pro type of qb. That has to happen immediately over the next year plus in terms of that big leap and continued growth. 
 

You get this hire wrong - and wrong isn’t this coach can’t win the Super Bowl, wrong is this coach can’t develop Caleb (and the rest of the team) and this becomes a wasted opportunity. 
 

That is why I’m looking purely at who can get that right and position Caleb and rest of the locker room as best as possible to get that part of the maturity, development and growth of this franchise to happen. 
 

It has to be Pete, McCarthy or Ben Johnson in my mind. I can also get the idea of Ravens OC or Kingsbury…cause in all cases you are going with proven or at least guys with track records of sustained offensive success or with a coach who knows what he is doing and has developed the position (or McCarthy who has done both). 

[bmags]

3 hours ago, Tony said:

I’ll give it a shot…no coach has ever won the Super Bowl with two different teams, and I don’t know why we think Mike McCarthy would be the first one to do it 

I don’t disagree, and maybe my standards should be higher. But more than anything I want to know if Caleb should get a starting qb deal in 3 years and I think McCarthy would get us that answer confidently.

I could see Brian Flores as more likely to win a Super Bowl but not get us that answer

[caulfield12]

22 minutes ago, bmags said:

I don’t disagree, and maybe my standards should be higher. But more than anything I want to know if Caleb should get a starting qb deal in 3 years and I think McCarthy would get us that answer confidently.

I could see Brian Flores as more likely to win a Super Bowl but not get us that answer

After the Flores/Tua situation in Miami you're taking quite a risk.

[bmags]

1 hour ago, Flash Tizzle said:

If I was Johnson, and really wanted to screw with the Bears on the way out of Detroit, I’d string them along as long as possible before selecting another team. How long can the Bears wait? Especially the further along Detroit moves in the playoffs. Raiders may be the choice by default. 

I think the “hiring a coach immediately” approach bears have taken is extremely overrated. KOC and McDaniel were later hires, I don’t think we’ll be screwed much other that by the bears ownership 

[Tony]

1 hour ago, Flash Tizzle said:

If I was Johnson, and really wanted to screw with the Bears on the way out of Detroit, I’d string them along as long as possible before selecting another team. How long can the Bears wait? Especially the further along Detroit moves in the playoffs. Raiders may be the choice by default. 

There are ways to get a commitment from Johnson through back channels, it happens quite a bit. Still obviously some risk involved, but Johnson wouldn't be the first coach to have an agreement with a team before the playoffs are over, then it gets announced. It's on the Bears if they can pull it off

[Chisoxfn]

42 minutes ago, bmags said:

I don’t disagree, and maybe my standards should be higher. But more than anything I want to know if Caleb should get a starting qb deal in 3 years and I think McCarthy would get us that answer confidently.

I could see Brian Flores as more likely to win a Super Bowl but not get us that answer

What you said above.  I go back to - let McCarthy be Doug Collins to Caleb, I also just think there are too many other good candidates who I'd prioritize over Flores.  But there are certainly worse candidates than Flores. If Fields was the QB - Flores for example is more of where I would be going (a QB 3-4 years into the league who you are looking at building the rest of the team).  

The nice thing is - McCarthy, Pete - I really think they achieve both ends.  But maybe I'm biased...and McCarthy despite his flaws also has the whole offensive side of the ball thing.  

[greg775]

4 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

He's the new Ozzie Guillen and also a good dinner companion at Applebee's?

Weird sarcasm coming from a guy who I thought liked me. I do not like Applebee's, never been to the one in Kansas. I do like the salad bar at that one restaurant I forget the name. Italian garden or whatever the name is. And I love Ozzeroo of course. McCarthy is a veteran coach, proven, Aikman upset the Cowboys fired him. Might figure ways to beat Green Bay, etc.

[Kyyle23]

7 minutes ago, greg775 said:

Weird sarcasm coming from a guy who I thought liked me. I do not like Applebee's, never been to the one in Kansas. I do like the salad bar at that one restaurant I forget the name. Italian garden or whatever the name is. And I love Ozzeroo of course. McCarthy is a veteran coach, proven, Aikman upset the Cowboys fired him. Might figure ways to beat Green Bay, etc.

Sarcasm doesn’t mean dislike, my dude.  

[Harry Chappas]

2 hours ago, Chisoxfn said:

What you said above.  I go back to - let McCarthy be Doug Collins to Caleb, I also just think there are too many other good candidates who I'd prioritize over Flores.  But there are certainly worse candidates than Flores. If Fields was the QB - Flores for example is more of where I would be going (a QB 3-4 years into the league who you are looking at building the rest of the team).  

The nice thing is - McCarthy, Pete - I really think they achieve both ends.  But maybe I'm biased...and McCarthy despite his flaws also has the whole offensive side of the ball thing.  

McCarthy is the safest bet to build Caleb and potentially overcome Bears organizational mismanagement.  He gives me the Lovie vibe.  Carroll is a slam dunk if not for his age.

I have always appreciated McCarthy and I am not exactly certain why.

What really sucks is Fangio getting is only HC shot coming off the Bears.