24-25 NFL Thread

[champagne030]

  On 3/11/2025 at 3:00 PM, bmags said:

I think it's funny but realistically the bears despite aggressively filling gaps, aside from the Thuney trade mostly just got solid starters. None of Jarrett, Odebingo or Dalman were top ten slam dunk free agents. They give the bears solid starters the next two years though and let them (presumably) re-sign gordon. But we still need to find some elite players, and I'm glad they kept these 4 picks in the top 73.

I think one thing that both Poles and Joe Schoen learned is keep your top guys when you don't have a lot of em - even if they aren't the premium positions. You don't need to adjust that in Free Agency. You keep Ro & David Montgomery and then use your draft to target the top positional value. You aren't going to be better just by spending more cap on the best of what gets thru FA...especially when you require they be 26 or younger.

For Giants, you could be this year with Saquon and McKinney already in tow, happy long time leaders that know what you wanna do. Instead you "couldn't pay that much to a Safety and RB"...and then just go out and spend big on a safety anyway. You have no qb, but you could put one on a team with Saquon and Nabers. 

I mean - yes, if you have all pro / pro bowl talents at OT/WR/QB you don't pay to keep your center/safety/rb. But when you don't...just keep them.

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You are correct that they addressed a lot of holes.  The reality is they still have a 4th place roster in the division.  Maybe Caleb shows something and they can draft well to set themselves up for 26-27.

[Chisoxfn]

That is a good signing by the Bills. Good buy low on a guy with high upside still in Bosa.

 

[Kyyle23]

 

[Harry Chappas]

Hoping this is a lot of smoke to warrant a trade down or have someone trade up.  I appreciate the RB position but the volatility is crazy and an RB at #10 seems crazy.  Trade down to 15-17 grab a pick and I can live with that.

Does the RB second contract with the team ever pay off?   

[Chicago White Sox]

  On 3/12/2025 at 12:02 PM, Harry Chappas said:

Hoping this is a lot of smoke to warrant a trade down or have someone trade up.  I appreciate the RB position but the volatility is crazy and an RB at #10 seems crazy.  Trade down to 15-17 grab a pick and I can live with that.

Does the RB second contract with the team ever pay off?   

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Sure seems like Saquon’s did last year.

[Kyyle23]

  On 3/12/2025 at 12:02 PM, Harry Chappas said:

Hoping this is a lot of smoke to warrant a trade down or have someone trade up.  I appreciate the RB position but the volatility is crazy and an RB at #10 seems crazy.  Trade down to 15-17 grab a pick and I can live with that.

Does the RB second contract with the team ever pay off?   

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If you are drafting Jeanty, you are NOT thinking about a second contract.   You are trying to maximize him immediately and then make him force the second contract 

[bmags]

I still say people over index to recent events. How much of drafting Gibbs was Brad Holmes compared to Johnson? To Campbell? And if the lesson is that Johnson will push against “positional value” as a parameter, is rb the only example of that in this draft?

it could easily lead the bears to taking the plunge on a DT (graham) or likely g (Campbell) but also the more popular Warren and Jeanty.

I think all would be that trend, not just Jeanty. If anything, I wonder if Simmons is now trending up

[T R U]

  On 3/12/2025 at 12:40 PM, Chicago White Sox said:

Sure seems like Saquon’s did last year.

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Well see what happens in 2025, the dude had 482 touches last season.

That's typically ominous of a decline inbound, which was going to happen anyways based off the historical season he just had, but those kind of workloads usually don't end well in todays game. 

[Chicago White Sox]

  On 3/12/2025 at 9:29 PM, T R U said:

Well see what happens in 2025, the dude had 482 touches last season.

That's typically ominous of a decline inbound, which was going to happen anyways based off the historical season he just had, but those kind of workloads usually don't end well in todays game. 

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No doubt, but hard to argue that he didn’t have a massive impact on the Eagles’ success last year.  Shelf life is a concern obviously and there may not be a ton of separation between good and average RBs, but I think having an elite RB can transform an offense.  Having said that, for the juice to really be worth the squeeze, you need to have the rest of your roster mostly in place.

Let me ask this question.  What realistic pick at 1.10 could have a bigger impact for us than Jeanty next year?  I still think drafting a LT prospect or pass rusher makes the most sense long-term (if the right player is there), but those guys might just be role players or marginal upgrades in Y25.  I just don’t see a bunch of other spots where a rookie comes into this roster and makes an immediate impact.  Now, that doesn’t mean take Jeanty at 1.10 (especially in a super deep RB draft), but I think the question highlights that the bulk of the pieces needed to field a really good team are in place and you can probably consider splurging on a potential playmaker at less prioritized position and still add depth at other spots with your other picks.

[Tony]

  On 3/12/2025 at 10:06 PM, Chicago White Sox said:

No doubt, but hard to argue that he didn’t have a massive impact on the Eagles’ success last year.  Shelf life is a concern obviously and there may not be a ton of separation between good and average RBs, but I think having an elite RB can transform an offense.  Having said that, for the juice to really be worth the squeeze, you need to have the rest of your roster mostly in place.

Let me ask this question.  What realistic pick at 1.10 could have a bigger impact for us than Jeanty next year?  I still think drafting a LT prospect or pass rusher makes the most sense long-term (if the right player is there), but those guys might just be role players or marginal upgrades in Y25.  I just don’t see a bunch of other spots where a rookie comes into this roster and makes an immediate impact.  Now, that doesn’t mean take Jeanty at 1.10 (especially in a super deep RB draft), but I think the question highlights that the bulk of the pieces needed to field a really good team are in place and you can probably consider splurging on a potential playmaker at less prioritized position and still add depth at other spots with your other picks.

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I mean the only realistic answer that qualifies is a pass-wrecking DE. That could seemingly make a bigger and more meaningful impact than Jeanty over Swift (it's not like Swift would be giving you 0)

But I agree with the premise that a player like Jeanty could/would make an immediate and noticeable impact. 

The pick will be telling depending on what direction they take. An OL/DL being drafted at 10, after the free agency spree they went on..would tell me they are trying to balance the short term and long term stability of the team. Drafting Jeanty tells me they got a little greedy and over their collective skis, similar to the arrgoance showed by Poles last draft, thinking his team was a great punter away from being elite, and decided to burn a 4th on Tory Taylor. 

[Chicago White Sox]

  On 3/13/2025 at 12:03 AM, Tony said:

I mean the only realistic answer that qualifies is a pass-wrecking DE. That could seemingly make a bigger and more meaningful impact than Jeanty over Swift (it's not like Swift would be giving you 0)

But I agree with the premise that a player like Jeanty could/would make an immediate and noticeable impact. 

The pick will be telling depending on what direction they take. An OL/DL being drafted at 10, after the free agency spree they went on..would tell me they are trying to balance the short term and long term stability of the team. Drafting Jeanty tells me they got a little greedy and over their collective skis, similar to the arrgoance showed by Poles last draft, thinking his team was a great punter away from being elite, and decided to burn a 4th on Tory Taylor. 

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I agree that a high end pass rusher would be the ideal addition, but just not sure you will get a sure thing at 1.10.  Honestly, I’d prefer to trade down and add more picks if someone surprising doesn’t make it to our pick.  Simmons might worth a gamble later in the 1st and there should be talent at DT, EDGE, RB, TE, & WR in the 2nd & 3rd.  Unfortunately, I’m just not sure there will be a lot of teams eager to move up into our pick and could see Poles going BPA at 1.10 which could very well be Jeanty.

[caulfield12]

  On 3/13/2025 at 12:03 AM, Tony said:

I mean the only realistic answer that qualifies is a pass-wrecking DE. That could seemingly make a bigger and more meaningful impact than Jeanty over Swift (it's not like Swift would be giving you 0)

But I agree with the premise that a player like Jeanty could/would make an immediate and noticeable impact. 

The pick will be telling depending on what direction they take. An OL/DL being drafted at 10, after the free agency spree they went on..would tell me they are trying to balance the short term and long term stability of the team. Drafting Jeanty tells me they got a little greedy and over their collective skis, similar to the arrgoance showed by Poles last draft, thinking his team was a great punter away from being elite, and decided to burn a 4th on Tory Taylor. 

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https://www.nfl.com/stats/player-stats/category/punts/2024/reg/all/puntingnetaverage/desc

Taylor was awesome, bordering on incredible at Iowa...he had his own t-shirts, people came to games just to watch him kick because the offense frequently was so bad under Ferentz's son, but he had a relatively disappointing rookie year in the NFL.

Not even in the top half in terms of net punting numbers.

https://www.nfl.com/stats/player-stats/category/punts/2024/reg/all/puntingnetaverage/desc

[Harry Chappas]

  On 3/12/2025 at 12:40 PM, Chicago White Sox said:

Sure seems like Saquon’s did last year.

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Not for the team that invested the draft capital in him. 

RB seems to be a crapshoot and their success is predicated on the scheme and line as much as pure talent. 

[Kyyle23]

  On 3/13/2025 at 1:47 PM, Harry Chappas said:

Not for the team that invested the draft capital in him. 

RB seems to be a crapshoot and their success is predicated on the scheme and line as much as pure talent. 

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The team that invested that draft capital and the GM have been completely ripped for that decision to let him walk, Schoens own son on camera asked why they did it.  It was a terrible decision now in hindsight and it was a terrible decision at the time to let him walk 

[Rowand44]

  On 3/13/2025 at 2:12 PM, Kyyle23 said:

The team that invested that draft capital and the GM have been completely ripped for that decision to let him walk, Schoens own son on camera asked why they did it.  It was a terrible decision now in hindsight and it was a terrible decision at the time to let him walk 

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Where the Giants are at right now I really don't think it was a terrible decision to let him walk(now everything else that organization did including investing into Danny Dimes is a huge issue).  He wins them what, another game maybe?   Saquan is obviusly an unbelievable player but the Giants couldn't win with him(not his fault) and that's kind of the point, a fantastic RB is kind of a luxury player moreso than it is someone you need to build around.

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[Kyyle23]

  On 3/13/2025 at 5:03 PM, Rowand44 said:

Where the Giants are at right now I really don't think it was a terrible decision to let him walk(now everything else that organization did including investing into Danny Dimes is a huge issue).  He wins them what, another game maybe?   Saquan is obviusly an unbelievable player but the Giants couldn't win with him(not his fault) and that's kind of the point, a fantastic RB is kind of a luxury player moreso than it is someone you need to build around.

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I think my larger point in that response was that Saquon did earn that second contract but the team that drafted him chose to walk away and let him have one of the best seasons in history at the position.  
 

im not all in on Jeanty, I just don’t think “will this guy earn a second contract?” Isn’t the question for him, it should be “will he help us win NOW”

[almagest]

  On 3/13/2025 at 5:42 PM, Kyyle23 said:

I think my larger point in that response was that Saquon did earn that second contract but the team that drafted him chose to walk away and let him have one of the best seasons in history at the position.  
 

im not all in on Jeanty, I just don’t think “will this guy earn a second contract?” Isn’t the question for him, it should be “will he help us win NOW”

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I think a better question is - "Will taking Jeanty at 10 and other positions later in the draft bring more value than taking another position at 10 (or trading down) and a running back in a later round?". In my mind you have to be pretty convinced that Jeanty is a generational running back to take him that highly because you're spending a ton of draft capital on a non-premium position.

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[Kyyle23]

  On 3/13/2025 at 5:51 PM, almagest said:

I think a better question is - "Will taking Jeanty at 10 and other positions later in the draft bring more value than taking another position at 10 and a running back in a later round?". In my mind you have to be pretty convinced that Jeanty is a generational running back to take him that highly because you're spending a ton of draft capital on a non-premium position.

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Absolutely agree.  Like I said I’m not behind Jeanty as the pick, I’m just discussing it because it’s starting to feel like a certainty 

[almagest]

  On 3/13/2025 at 6:00 PM, Kyyle23 said:

Absolutely agree.  Like I said I’m not behind Jeanty as the pick, I’m just discussing it because it’s starting to feel like a certainty 

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Boy I hope not. I think that'll be a mistake unless there's absolutely nothing left in the first round. I guess if Ben Johnson is pounding the table for him I'd feel better about the pick, but still.

[Chicago White Sox]

  On 3/13/2025 at 7:05 PM, almagest said:

Boy I hope not. I think that'll be a mistake unless there's absolutely nothing left in the first round. I guess if Ben Johnson is pounding the table for him I'd feel better about the pick, but still.

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It’s a really week draft though, especially at the top of it.  What players would you be interested in at 1.10?  There may not be a LT or pass rusher prospect worth taking.  Again, I would personally try to trade down and accumulate more picks, but that requires a trading partner who is willing to pay to move up.

[Snopek]

  On 3/13/2025 at 6:00 PM, Kyyle23 said:

Absolutely agree.  Like I said I’m not behind Jeanty as the pick, I’m just discussing it because it’s starting to feel like a certainty 

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I’m not really seeing him getting past the Raiders.

[Kyyle23]

  On 3/13/2025 at 9:23 PM, Snopek said:

I’m not really seeing him getting past the Raiders.

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Yea you know I never really had thought about that because in my mind they should have been drafting QB, but they got Geno (duh)

[almagest]

  On 3/13/2025 at 9:22 PM, Chicago White Sox said:

It’s a really weak draft though, especially at the top of it.  What players would you be interested in at 1.10?  There may not be a LT or pass rusher prospect worth taking.  Again, I would personally try to trade down and accumulate more picks, but that requires a trading partner who is willing to pay to move up.

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Really no one, unless there’s a QB run for some reason and some of the higher ceiling prospects fall. I hope they trade down too. 

[Chisoxfn]

  On 3/13/2025 at 10:08 PM, almagest said:

Really no one, unless there’s a QB run for some reason and some of the higher ceiling prospects fall. I hope they trade down too. 

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I agree - unless Mason Graham or a high upside player is there trade back - problem is it takes two to tango. 
 

Not a position of need, but back to got to hit doubles and triples in round 1 - is there a db worth taking early? If this was a year ago - I’d have taken Jared Verse (or Brock Bowers) but this draft isn’t as deep. 

[southsider2k5]

  On 3/14/2025 at 12:01 AM, Chisoxfn said:

I agree - unless Mason Graham or a high upside player is there trade back - problem is it takes two to tango. 
 

Not a position of need, but back to got to hit doubles and triples in round 1 - is there a db worth taking early? If this was a year ago - I’d have taken Jared Verse (or Brock Bowers) but this draft isn’t as deep. 

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Bears would have done great with my man Braden Fiske too.