greg775 Posted November 17, 2003 Author Share Posted November 17, 2003 You said: "He's a guy that does NOT play all-out, plain and simple. I don't remember the last time I saw him beat out a ground ball. I don't think I ever have. Add to that that he is not a leader-type ballplayer, and that he does not seem to be a very marketable kind of guy, and you understand part of the intangibles that I see. Maggs is worth $8 mill a year, tops. Not $14-$15 mill." I am not saying you are lying, but I haven't heard a knock on maggs that he is a loafer or does not play all out. Do any of you others agree with this assertion that he is a bum? I think Maggs is a star and worth 14 mill. It's just that we can't and won't pay 14 mill. The Yankees would be smart to grab Maggs. Actually the Cubs would. Maggs would thrive in that ballpark. p.s. How many sluggers beat out ground balls???? I am just saying I haven't heard Maggs is heartless except on this board sometimes. I want a poll taken on here from you who see over 50 games a year. Tell me bout maggs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted November 17, 2003 Share Posted November 17, 2003 While I don't think he was dogging it ala Belle or Manny, it didn't seem to bust his ass nearly as much. I still remember the final game of the Wriggley series in which Sox were leading 1-0 in the 3rd inn and Zambrano began to unravel. It was 1st and 2 and 1 out and Maggs had a 3-1 count. Not only does he swing at ball four low and inside, but he gets outs of the box almost walking and at no point does he go all out on the grounder itself. End result? It was a tough chopper play at third and the throw came just as Maggs was crossing the bag, he beat it by a third of a step or it was a tie wortst-case scenario. Tie goes to the runner, right? Well, not when you play in Wriggely and Cubs are on defense. Cocksoucker ump called the runner out. Replay showed him wrong....The point is not that ump semi-blew the call, but that Maggs lackadaisical attitude put him in a position where ump even had to come into play. If he busts his ass, he is safe by a step. Bases loaded, only 1 out. We get at least a run, maybe even chase Zambrano getting into weak bullpen, giving then masterful Colon some room for error and probably end up winning the game (which was 1-0 untl the 8th)....Cubs might not get in the playoffs and we might. And this is only one example from a 162-game season. He also didn't dive for balls or run into walls on defense. He was good but nothing special. And yes, I also agree that we as fans are trying to paint Maggs as worse than he really is in order to prepare ourselves for and justify his departure. But you must agree that Maggs certainly helped us by having a VERY unspectacular season in all respects. Yes. You are right. Maggs did have a very unspectacular season in 2003. Up to 2003, he had constantly and consistently improved from year to year. So, the guy has a somewhat ... somewhat, mind you ... off year and we are all ready to throw him in the dumper. This a guy who doesn't say much. Yet, he called it like it was early in the season when he said, simply, "We stink." He has usually done his talking with his bat, and I'm fine with that. Maggs didn't live up to our expectations this year, so now he's got an attitude problem, he's not worth the money he gets, etc. etc. It amazes me how guys can be very good for 4 or 5 years, have a subpar year, and Sox fans turn on the guy. It's happening with Maggs. It happened with Konerko. And Buehrle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted November 18, 2003 Author Share Posted November 18, 2003 great post, yasny. I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ It is all about the money. I do not understand why people do not see that. Mags is a FA after this season. He seems to be interested in testing the FA market. That will mean he will not be with us after the season. Why not get something while we can. If we have a chance to make the team better, while saving money, DO IT. We have a small payroll. It is like the Brewers shopping Sexson for the same reason. That is why most people on here should never be involved with running a team of any sorts, ya guys are unrealistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted November 18, 2003 Share Posted November 18, 2003 IMO, it's not about ready to throw Maggs in the dumper, it's about the fact that he is over-priced in today's baseball economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 IMO, it's not about ready to throw Maggs in the dumper, it's about the fact that he is over-priced in today's baseball economy. I agree. At $14 million, he is overpriced. However, some of the comments made about him in here have had me shaking my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pastime Posted November 19, 2003 Share Posted November 19, 2003 If Maggs was coming back at 8 million, I don't think anyone would say anything about him. I, for one, have never said anything negative about him except that he's too expensive for the farce we call a payroll. I love Maggs, but I love the team more. I wish both of them the best every minute of every day, but I have to root for the Sox, not just Maggs. It sucks that we even have to discuss this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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