caulfield12 Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 (edited) https://www.mlb.com/news/best-moves-at-2024-mlb-trade-deadline Sigh. DeBong/DeJong and Kopech #2/#7 Edited September 15 by caulfield12 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 No reason to be upset at the Dejong trade, really. Seems like they got good value for him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 Wait till the Winter when there are more Vargas type players acquired by Getz. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 Getz was trading for the future. Even what turns out to be the absolute greatest trade of all time would look bad in the short term. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 11 hours ago, caulfield12 said: https://www.mlb.com/news/best-moves-at-2024-mlb-trade-deadline Sigh. DeBong/DeJong and Kopech #2/#7 This is an old article. DeJong has a 761 OPS with the Royals, which is better than his 705 OPS with the Sox, but not by much. If he was the second best trade deadline move in mlb then there were very few impact players traded at the deadline this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 And by the way, I thought the great Orioles organization had fixed Eloy? He has a 617 OPS with them, which is worse than he had with the Sox this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 Speaking of trade deadline moves, Orioles fans laughed at the idea of Mayo + for Crochet. After watching Mayo’s horrific start to mlb, bet they’re wishing they had a mulligan on that one… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 15 Author Share Posted September 15 (edited) 1 hour ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: And by the way, I thought the great Orioles organization had fixed Eloy? He has a 617 OPS with them, which is worse than he had with the Sox this season. Exact sme as Sox overall ops this year and Chris Getz lifetime mlb ops. Fitting. Maybe it went up a point or two yesterday with the "offensive explosion." Edited September 15 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 (edited) 1 hour ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Speaking of trade deadline moves, Orioles fans laughed at the idea of Mayo + for Crochet. After watching Mayo’s horrific start to mlb, bet they’re wishing they had a mulligan on that one… I’m guessing not. Post All-Star break, Crochet has a 6.46 ERA. He’d be even worse if he was extended beyond 2 to 4 inning starts. Meanwhile, the Orioles spent way less to acquire Elfin and he’s been much better than Crochet in the second half. I doubt the Orioles want a mulligan on that trade. Cowser also had a terrible start in the majors for the Orioles last year and he is now an AL rookie of the year contender. As far as Eloy goes, the Orioles acquired him as a flier. It’s not like they gave up anything of substance for him to the Sox. The only team that “lost” by not selling Crochet high was the Sox. Edited September 15 by WhiteSox2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 1 hour ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Speaking of trade deadline moves, Orioles fans laughed at the idea of Mayo + for Crochet. After watching Mayo’s horrific start to mlb, bet they’re wishing they had a mulligan on that one… SSS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 1 hour ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: And by the way, I thought the great Orioles organization had fixed Eloy? He has a 617 OPS with them, which is worse than he had with the Sox this season. Yeah, I too have pointed out that Eloy only had like 5 good games there to start and has been mostly bad since. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 3 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: If he was the second best trade deadline move in mlb then there were very few impact players traded at the deadline this year. It didn't seem like anyone had the appetite, or felt the need, to make a big move. I doubt that Getz had many offers and they were probably easy to pass on. Hopefully the off season will be better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 4 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I’m guessing not. Post All-Star break, Crochet has a 6.46 ERA. He’d be even worse if he was extended beyond 2 to 4 inning starts. Meanwhile, the Orioles spent way less to acquire Elfin and he’s been much better than Crochet in the second half. I doubt the Orioles want a mulligan on that trade. Cowser also had a terrible start in the majors for the Orioles last year and he is now an AL rookie of the year contender. As far as Eloy goes, the Orioles acquired him as a flier. It’s not like they gave up anything of substance for him to the Sox. The only team that “lost” by not selling Crochet high was the Sox. Except Cowser can actually play a defensive position well above average. Mayo is a DH that isn’t hitting. And you really think they’re going to do anything in the postseason trotting out Eflin and Rogers as their #2 and #3 playoff starters? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 2 hours ago, Texsox said: It didn't seem like anyone had the appetite, or felt the need, to make a big move. I doubt that Getz had many offers and they were probably easy to pass on. Hopefully the off season will be better. Exactly. For everyone saying how much of a sellers market it was it sure doesn’t seem like many impact players were moved by anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 4 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said: Yeah, I too have pointed out that Eloy only had like 5 good games there to start and has been mostly bad since. And his “good” games were still a bunch of singles. I thought the Orioles hitting gurus were going to unlock his big power? He has exactly 1 home run in 92 at bats with the Orioles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 15 Author Share Posted September 15 6 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: And his “good” games were still a bunch of singles. I thought the Orioles hitting gurus were going to unlock his big power? He has exactly 1 home run in 92 at bats with the Orioles. Sounds like Robert... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 5 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I’m guessing not. Post All-Star break, Crochet has a 6.46 ERA. He’d be even worse if he was extended beyond 2 to 4 inning starts. Meanwhile, the Orioles spent way less to acquire Elfin and he’s been much better than Crochet in the second half. I doubt the Orioles want a mulligan on that trade. Cowser also had a terrible start in the majors for the Orioles last year and he is now an AL rookie of the year contender. As far as Eloy goes, the Orioles acquired him as a flier. It’s not like they gave up anything of substance for him to the Sox. The only team that “lost” by not selling Crochet high was the Sox. There was not an opportunity to sell "high" on him after the contract stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 (edited) 4 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Except Cowser can actually play a defensive position well above average. Mayo is a DH that isn’t hitting. And you really think they’re going to do anything in the postseason trotting out Eflin and Rogers as their #2 and #3 playoff starters? lol I agree that the Orioles trade for Rogers was a garbage move and they should’ve went after Fedde instead. But the Orioles did much better acquiring Elfin than Crochet. I don’t think it’s a sure bet that Crochet will pitch any better than Elfin in the postseason, once he already has 150 innings on the season. He is proving that now with a 6.46 ERA in the second half. Edited September 15 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 (edited) 3 hours ago, PaleAleSox said: There was not an opportunity to sell "high" on him after the contract stuff. I don’t think we know that as a fact. There were teams still interested in Crochet after that news came out. And it’s not like Getz is going to let us know what the offers were. And who cares what Getz thinks is a good offer or not? He acquired bums like Fletcher and Vargas. His assessment on what is a good return in a trade means nothing. Edited September 15 by WhiteSox2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted September 15 Share Posted September 15 23 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I agree that the Orioles trade for Rogers was a garbage move and they should’ve went after Fedde instead. But the Orioles did much better acquiring Elfin than Crochet. I don’t think it’s a sure bet that Crochet will pitch any better than Elfin in the postseason, once he already has 150 innings on the season. He is proving that now with a 6.46 ERA in the second half. It’s Rogers vs Crochet because the Orioles always needed TWO starters and they chose Rogers as their final big deadline move rather than upping the prospect ante from Norby to Mayo for Crochet. I just realized the Orioles optioned Rogers to AAA a couple weeks ago wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 16 Author Share Posted September 16 2 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: It’s Rogers vs Crochet because the Orioles always needed TWO starters and they chose Rogers as their final big deadline move rather than upping the prospect ante from Norby to Mayo for Crochet. I just realized the Orioles optioned Rogers to AAA a couple weeks ago wow It's definitely going to matter when NY finishes ahead of Baltimore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 Crochet wouldn’t be contributing to a team’s post season this year so there is that as well. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 (edited) 10 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: It’s Rogers vs Crochet because the Orioles always needed TWO starters and they chose Rogers as their final big deadline move rather than upping the prospect ante from Norby to Mayo for Crochet. I just realized the Orioles optioned Rogers to AAA a couple weeks ago wow It’s pretty obvious that Elfin was their big starter move and they were never going to give up top prospects for a starter. And the way Crochet has pitched in the second half, the Orioles were wise not to give up any top prospects for him. Imagine if he was trying to throw 6 innings a start instead of only 2 to 4 like he has been? Rogers has been terrible for them and I think Getz likely messed up by not trying to deal Fedde to them for Norby instead of getting Vargas, even if he had to include some cash for Fedde’s small contract. All we can do is hope that Vargas hits next season. Edited September 16 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said: It’s pretty obvious that Elfin was their big starter move and they were never going to give up top prospects for a starter. And the way Crochet has pitched in the second half, the Orioles were wise not to give up any top prospects for him. Imagine if he was trying to throw 6 innings a start instead of only 2 to 4 like he has been? Rogers has been terrible for them and I think Getz likely messed up by not trying to deal Fedde to them for Norby instead of getting Vargas, even if he had to include some cash for Fedde’s small contract. All we can do is hope that Vargas hits next season. Judging by the players they gave up Rogers was the bigger move for them than Eflin. Let’s not try to sugarcoat it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted September 16 Share Posted September 16 (edited) 1 hour ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: Judging by the players they gave up Rogers was the bigger move for them than Eflin. Let’s not try to sugarcoat it now. Less control, higher salary also factors into the returns. Eflin is easily the bigger get. Edited September 16 by Bob Sacamano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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