CHSN to be available on antenna in Chicago

[southsider2k5]

5 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

But what if we aren't men? And don't want to be men? 

f***, now I gotta go be a man to keep posting here. 

Only real men would like this post.

[Chisoxmb35]

On 10/16/2024 at 6:28 AM, The Beast said:

I’m trying to understand several things:

- How does JR make money off CHSN if games are over the antenna? Is it low overhead and no cable agreement?

- Why didn’t they do something like Marquee?

- What percentage of fans will buy the antenna to watch the games? Or will an agreement be reached with cable providers before the season?

- What is the audio and visual quality of the channel?

And several more…it just doesn’t make sense to me why there is no channel on cable and no app to stream/pay for. It makes me think some agreement should be reached. Maybe Laurence Holmes is right, the new channel will flash something on the broadcasts to have people call Comcast and complain to try and put pressure on the company (which I understand doesn’t have much to gain).

I'm guessing a very large % of fans will buy the antenna (it's honestly not that big of a deal in my opinion). I just did myself, $20 best buy essentials antenna and the quality of the picture/sound is BETTER than I expected. I'm in Northwest Indiana for reference. 

Edited October 17 by Chisoxmb35

[Lip Man 1]

https://chicago.suntimes.com/sports-media/2024/10/17/blackhawks-bulls-white-sox-chicago-sports-network-comcast-xfinity-nbc-sports-chicago-dish-network-directv

[caulfield12]

"Not that the Bulls have earned much more attention from fans than the Hawks. Both teams have lost enough games to make fans question whether it’s worth dropping hundreds of dollars to go to the United Center. So now, not only is it expensive to go to a game, it’s difficult for many to watch one on TV. Combine limited access with limited winning, and you have two business operations in trouble.

Perhaps the NBA’s popularity will spark an agreement before the Bulls’ season opener Wednesday. But don’t count on it. In the most remarkable turn of events, Comcast, for once, is under no pressure to appease a sports network. If it was losing enough subscribers for not carrying CHSN, it would carry CHSN. Carriage isn’t a priority until it is.

After not carrying the Big Ten Network when it launched in 2007, Comcast subscriptions plummeted. The next year, BTN appeared on Xfinity systems. That might be what it takes for CHSN to appear on Comcast, unless the network bends to the company’s wishes. CHSN is in a tough spot, but it’s one they should’ve seen coming."

 

from the previously-linked article, CS-T

[baseball_gal_aly]

On 10/16/2024 at 2:53 PM, Tnetennba said:

But what if we aren't men? And don't want to be men? 

f***, now I gotta go be a man to keep posting here. 

Definitely not a man, definitely don't want to be a man. 

I tried that and it didn't go well for me. 

[Lip Man 1]

On 10/16/2024 at 1:53 PM, Tnetennba said:

But what if we aren't men? And don't want to be men? 

f***, now I gotta go be a man to keep posting here. 

Are we not men?

NO!

We are DEVO!!!!!!! 😆

[Tnetennba]

1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said:

Are we not men?

NO!

We are DEVO!!!!!!! 😆

I had to google that... before my time my man...

[Bob Sacamano]

So yesterday I tried it out through my TV during the Hawks game. The channel was appearing but it said no signal. I went to “find new channels” and ever since then, I cannot find it. What a shitshow.

I think I need to go buy an actual antenna but at least they’re cheap.

[Dick Allen]

1 hour ago, Bob Sacamano said:

So yesterday I tried it out through my TV during the Hawks game. The channel was appearing but it said no signal. I went to “find new channels” and ever since then, I cannot find it. What a shitshow.

I think I need to go buy an actual antenna but at least they’re cheap.

Yeah I read the inner TV antennas most likely won’t work 

[Sleepy Harold]

23 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said:

So yesterday I tried it out through my TV during the Hawks game. The channel was appearing but it said no signal. I went to “find new channels” and ever since then, I cannot find it. What a shitshow.

I think I need to go buy an actual antenna but at least they’re cheap.

https://www.thefreetvproject.org/ a good resource to use if you're going to buy an antenna. 

Edited Saturday at 09:59 PM by Sleepy Harold

[Lip Man 1]

https://chicago.suntimes.com/blackhawks/2024/10/19/chicago-sports-network-comcast-tv-negotiations-fubo-jason-coyle

[kitekrazy]

On 10/17/2024 at 10:51 PM, caulfield12 said:

"Not that the Bulls have earned much more attention from fans than the Hawks. Both teams have lost enough games to make fans question whether it’s worth dropping hundreds of dollars to go to the United Center. So now, not only is it expensive to go to a game, it’s difficult for many to watch one on TV. Combine limited access with limited winning, and you have two business operations in trouble.

Perhaps the NBA’s popularity will spark an agreement before the Bulls’ season opener Wednesday. But don’t count on it. In the most remarkable turn of events, Comcast, for once, is under no pressure to appease a sports network. If it was losing enough subscribers for not carrying CHSN, it would carry CHSN. Carriage isn’t a priority until it is.

After not carrying the Big Ten Network when it launched in 2007, Comcast subscriptions plummeted. The next year, BTN appeared on Xfinity systems. That might be what it takes for CHSN to appear on Comcast, unless the network bends to the company’s wishes. CHSN is in a tough spot, but it’s one they should’ve seen coming."

 

from the previously-linked article, CS-T

The NFL is heading in that direction.  Gambling seems to be more promoted than the sports.  You don't have to watch a game for that. The problem is going to be all of these subscription services that will eventually be costly to the consumer.

[Rusty]

1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/blackhawks/2024/10/19/chicago-sports-network-comcast-tv-negotiations-fubo-jason-coyle

That is an incredibly difficult read.  Coyle seems completely out of touch with the current reality for RSNs and sports broadcasting in general.  How many times can you say the words “soon,” “hope,” & “believe” in regards to a network that is already weeks into its launch, 6 games into the NHL season, & days from the NBA regular season?

 

Regardless of what Coyle would have us believe, the Athletic has reported that CHSN was offered the standard deal for RSNs by Comcast.  They hope to have OTA in outlying areas “soon.”  They hope to reach an agreement with Fubo “soon.”  They plan to have an app ready to release “soon.”  Coyle “hopes” that start of the NBA season will increase pressure on Xfinity…hint, it won’t.  Coyle doesn’t “believe” OTA broadcasting matters to Comcast…hint, it does.  
 

The guy is completely incompetent and is the one running the entire network apparently.  This happening in the third largest media market in the country for a channel that broadcasts an MLB, NBA, and NHL team is a mind blowing disaster.   I honestly don’t know if you could roll out this network more poorly if you were actually trying to tank the project on purpose.  
 

Jason is a Harvard Law graduate so he’ll be mortified when this ends up as an HBS case study.  As mentioned in the article, there’s already a possibility that limited TV access is affecting in person attendance and revenue.  The Hawks and Bulls are both fringe franchises that cannot afford that in the modern NHL and NBA.  The Sox are very solidly the second team in the second city, just set the league record for futility, and certainly can’t withstand access limitation to the fan base when Marquee is pretty available on most providers.  If this carries on long enough, it could actually affect the franchise valuation of the Sox.  Maybe that’s the long game here and Jerry is trying to force a sale, relocation, new stadium, etc but…Comcast could probably take a billion off the franchise value if they want to and, as opposed to Coyle, they are smart enough to know they have that leverage.  

CHSN really doesn’t have much of a negotiating position here.  Studio content?  People can easily get that from places like CHGO or barstool on podcasts or YouTube.  White Sox games?  Marquee and the Cubs are already available, and although existing fans won’t “switch,” new ones will.  NBA ratings continue to decrease and the Bulls don’t have a Bona Fide superstar that people will tune in to watch during a middling season. The NHL is still a fringe sport and despite Bedards talent and ceiling, how many people in the Chicago market could actually name him?  Theres a reason they haven’t even gotten on Fubo yet.  A provider that carries Bein Sports 6 recognizes that this network is simply not that valuable…

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited Sunday at 05:49 AM by Rusty

[tray]

On 10/16/2024 at 11:13 AM, Tnetennba said:

Tray's new crusade against fans who won't buy antennas...

Stop stalking my posts and mischaracterizing my opinions.

[caulfield12]

2 hours ago, Rusty said:

That is an incredibly difficult read.  Coyle seems completely out of touch with the current reality for RSNs and sports broadcasting in general.  How many times can you say the words “soon,” “hope,” & “believe” in regards to a network that is already weeks into its launch, 6 games into the NHL season, & days from the NBA regular season?

 

Regardless of what Coyle would have us believe, the Athletic has reported that CHSN was offered the standard deal for RSNs by Comcast.  They hope to have OTA in outlying areas “soon.”  They hope to reach an agreement with Fubo “soon.”  They plan to have an app ready to release “soon.”  Coyle “hopes” that start of the NBA season will increase pressure on Xfinity…hint, it won’t.  Coyle doesn’t “believe” OTA broadcasting matters to Comcast…hint, it does.  
 

The guy is completely incompetent and is the one running the entire network apparently.  This happening in the third largest media market in the country for a channel that broadcasts an MLB, NBA, and NHL team is a mind blowing disaster.   I honestly don’t know if you could roll out this network more poorly if you were actually trying to tank the project on purpose.  
 

Jason is a Harvard Law graduate so he’ll be mortified when this ends up as an HBS case study.  As mentioned in the article, there’s already a possibility that limited TV access is affecting in person attendance and revenue.  The Hawks and Bulls are both fringe franchises that cannot afford that in the modern NHL and NBA.  The Sox are very solidly the second team in the second city, just set the league record for futility, and certainly can’t withstand access limitation to the fan base when Marquee is pretty available on most providers.  If this carries on long enough, it could actually affect the franchise valuation of the Sox.  Maybe that’s the long game here and Jerry is trying to force a sale, relocation, new stadium, etc but…Comcast could probably take a billion off the franchise value if they want to and, as opposed to Coyle, they are smart enough to know they have that leverage.  

CHSN really doesn’t have much of a negotiating position here.  Studio content?  People can easily get that from places like CHGO or barstool on podcasts or YouTube.  White Sox games?  Marquee and the Cubs are already available, and although existing fans won’t “switch,” new ones will.  NBA ratings continue to decrease and the Bulls don’t have a Bona Fide superstar that people will tune in to watch during a middling season. The NHL is still a fringe sport and despite Bedards talent and ceiling, how many people in the Chicago market could actually name him?  Theres a reason they haven’t even gotten on Fubo yet.  A provider that carries Bein Sports 6 recognizes that this network is simply not that valuable…

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Unless their case to the city was that they're no longer a competitive franchise even when "generously" attempting to give their product away...and hence the need for a new stadium?

Imagine if the White Sox didn't have the "lazy leverage"of the Bulls and the Blackhawks?

And isn't this actually going to start driving Bulls' in person attendance down from the top tier of the NBA?

Almost seems like the act of giving the product away for free might have the unintended of suppressing local and regional in person attendance for the Bulls/Blackhawks until/unless the teams could provide a compelling enough on field product.

Edited Sunday at 08:09 AM by caulfield12

[Paulie4Pres]

3 hours ago, Rusty said:

That is an incredibly difficult read.  Coyle seems completely out of touch with the current reality for RSNs and sports broadcasting in general.  How many times can you say the words “soon,” “hope,” & “believe” in regards to a network that is already weeks into its launch, 6 games into the NHL season, & days from the NBA regular season?

 

Regardless of what Coyle would have us believe, the Athletic has reported that CHSN was offered the standard deal for RSNs by Comcast.  They hope to have OTA in outlying areas “soon.”  They hope to reach an agreement with Fubo “soon.”  They plan to have an app ready to release “soon.”  Coyle “hopes” that start of the NBA season will increase pressure on Xfinity…hint, it won’t.  Coyle doesn’t “believe” OTA broadcasting matters to Comcast…hint, it does.  
 

The guy is completely incompetent and is the one running the entire network apparently.  This happening in the third largest media market in the country for a channel that broadcasts an MLB, NBA, and NHL team is a mind blowing disaster.   I honestly don’t know if you could roll out this network more poorly if you were actually trying to tank the project on purpose.  
 

Jason is a Harvard Law graduate so he’ll be mortified when this ends up as an HBS case study.  As mentioned in the article, there’s already a possibility that limited TV access is affecting in person attendance and revenue.  The Hawks and Bulls are both fringe franchises that cannot afford that in the modern NHL and NBA.  The Sox are very solidly the second team in the second city, just set the league record for futility, and certainly can’t withstand access limitation to the fan base when Marquee is pretty available on most providers.  If this carries on long enough, it could actually affect the franchise valuation of the Sox.  Maybe that’s the long game here and Jerry is trying to force a sale, relocation, new stadium, etc but…Comcast could probably take a billion off the franchise value if they want to and, as opposed to Coyle, they are smart enough to know they have that leverage.  

CHSN really doesn’t have much of a negotiating position here.  Studio content?  People can easily get that from places like CHGO or barstool on podcasts or YouTube.  White Sox games?  Marquee and the Cubs are already available, and although existing fans won’t “switch,” new ones will.  NBA ratings continue to decrease and the Bulls don’t have a Bona Fide superstar that people will tune in to watch during a middling season. The NHL is still a fringe sport and despite Bedards talent and ceiling, how many people in the Chicago market could actually name him?  Theres a reason they haven’t even gotten on Fubo yet.  A provider that carries Bein Sports 6 recognizes that this network is simply not that valuable…

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The guy is a fucking imbecile. He is where he is because of connections and nepotism. Absolutely clueless.

[Kyyle23]

5 hours ago, tray said:

Stop stalking my posts and mischaracterizing my opinions.

The guy who gets mad and goes and puts laugh emojis on every post he doesn’t agree with (which is a lot here) is accusing others of post stalking! 😂😂

[tray]

Doesn't it makes sense to increase access to games with over-the air broadcasts plus cable? I'm asking. That is similar to  channels 2,5,7,9 etc that broadcast and are available via cable/streaming as well.

Arguably, Wirtz did not increase the fan base or attendance at games by pulling the Hawks off WGN. Similarly, Einhorn/Reinsdorf did not increase the fan base when they likewise pulled the WSox off free broadcast/Chan. 9.  That history at least instructs that decisions like these could have unintended consequences.

[tray]

11 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

The guy who gets mad and goes and puts laugh emojis on every post he doesn’t agree with (which is a lot here) is accusing others of post stalking! 😂😂

LOL.

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

7 hours ago, Rusty said:

That is an incredibly difficult read.  Coyle seems completely out of touch with the current reality for RSNs and sports broadcasting in general.  How many times can you say the words “soon,” “hope,” & “believe” in regards to a network that is already weeks into its launch, 6 games into the NHL season, & days from the NBA regular season?

 

Regardless of what Coyle would have us believe, the Athletic has reported that CHSN was offered the standard deal for RSNs by Comcast.  They hope to have OTA in outlying areas “soon.”  They hope to reach an agreement with Fubo “soon.”  They plan to have an app ready to release “soon.”  Coyle “hopes” that start of the NBA season will increase pressure on Xfinity…hint, it won’t.  Coyle doesn’t “believe” OTA broadcasting matters to Comcast…hint, it does.  
 

The guy is completely incompetent and is the one running the entire network apparently.  This happening in the third largest media market in the country for a channel that broadcasts an MLB, NBA, and NHL team is a mind blowing disaster.   I honestly don’t know if you could roll out this network more poorly if you were actually trying to tank the project on purpose.  
 

Jason is a Harvard Law graduate so he’ll be mortified when this ends up as an HBS case study.  As mentioned in the article, there’s already a possibility that limited TV access is affecting in person attendance and revenue.  The Hawks and Bulls are both fringe franchises that cannot afford that in the modern NHL and NBA.  The Sox are very solidly the second team in the second city, just set the league record for futility, and certainly can’t withstand access limitation to the fan base when Marquee is pretty available on most providers.  If this carries on long enough, it could actually affect the franchise valuation of the Sox.  Maybe that’s the long game here and Jerry is trying to force a sale, relocation, new stadium, etc but…Comcast could probably take a billion off the franchise value if they want to and, as opposed to Coyle, they are smart enough to know they have that leverage.  

CHSN really doesn’t have much of a negotiating position here.  Studio content?  People can easily get that from places like CHGO or barstool on podcasts or YouTube.  White Sox games?  Marquee and the Cubs are already available, and although existing fans won’t “switch,” new ones will.  NBA ratings continue to decrease and the Bulls don’t have a Bona Fide superstar that people will tune in to watch during a middling season. The NHL is still a fringe sport and despite Bedards talent and ceiling, how many people in the Chicago market could actually name him?  Theres a reason they haven’t even gotten on Fubo yet.  A provider that carries Bein Sports 6 recognizes that this network is simply not that valuable…

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I honestly wonder if any of you follow any other city or situation. The Dodgers, for example, couldn't be viewed by half the LA area for SIX years. Did you talk about how incompetent they are as business people?

First, you imply it's somehow the CHSN fault that Comcast would force them onto a tier more costly than marquee.

I'm so confused why people on this site are stanning for Comcast. CHSN has stated Comcast has not even reached out to them, and they refuse to offer them the tier marquee is in, for example, despite being flexible on $$'s.

In this case, Comcast can get fuked and calling the Bulls a fringe franchise is one of the dumbest things I've ever read here. The Bulls are worth more than the Cubs, pal. Basketball is the fastest growing sport globally as well.

Edited Sunday at 01:09 PM by Look at Ray Ray Run

[Dick Allen]

16 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

I honestly wonder if any of you follow any other city or situation. The Dodgers, for example, couldn't be viewed by half the LA area for SIX years. Did you talk about how incompetent they are as business people?

First, you imply it's somehow the CHSN fault that Comcast would force them onto a tier more costly than marquee.

I'm so confused why people on this site are stanning for Comcast. CHSN has stated Comcast has not even reached out to them, and they refuse to offer them the tier marquee is in, for example, despite being flexible on $$'s.

In this case, Comcast can get fuked and calling the Bulls a fringe franchise is one of the dumbest things I've ever read here. The Bulls are worth more than the Cubs, pal. Basketball is the fastest growing sport globally as well.

I get what you are saying with the carriage contracts. But “soon” for their own app? They have known how this was going down for a long time. They should have anticipated they were going to have issues getting on platforms. The app should have been ready. They literally had years to work on this. I have DIRECTV so I have access without rabbit ears {except when it rains because DIRECTV doesn’t work in the rain), and their studio shows are high school productions. Uneven lighting, audio that sounds like they are in a tunnel. Unprepared is unprofessional.

Edited Sunday at 01:22 PM by Dick Allen

[Kyyle23]

22 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

I honestly wonder if any of you follow any other city or situation. The Dodgers, for example, couldn't be viewed by half the LA area for SIX years. Did you talk about how incompetent they are as business people?

First, you imply it's somehow the CHSN fault that Comcast would force them onto a tier more costly than marquee.

I'm so confused why people on this site are stanning for Comcast. CHSN has stated Comcast has not even reached out to them, and they refuse to offer them the tier marquee is in, for example, despite being flexible on $$'s.

In this case, Comcast can get fuked and calling the Bulls a fringe franchise is one of the dumbest things I've ever read here. The Bulls are worth more than the Cubs, pal. Basketball is the fastest growing sport globally as well.

I do remember the dodgers stuff and thinking that was also bullshit, yes 

I’m not stanning for anyone here, I want the deal fucking done.  All of this should have been ironed out before launch but here we are, hands in our pockets like “damn this sucks”.  Shame on me

[caulfield12]

7 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

I honestly wonder if any of you follow any other city or situation. The Dodgers, for example, couldn't be viewed by half the LA area for SIX years. Did you talk about how incompetent they are as business people?

First, you imply it's somehow the CHSN fault that Comcast would force them onto a tier more costly than marquee.

I'm so confused why people on this site are stanning for Comcast. CHSN has stated Comcast has not even reached out to them, and they refuse to offer them the tier marquee is in, for example, despite being flexible on $$'s.

In this case, Comcast can get fuked and calling the Bulls a fringe franchise is one of the dumbest things I've ever read here. The Bulls are worth more than the Cubs, pal. Basketball is the fastest growing sport globally as well.

https://www.abi.org/feed-item/dodgers-fans-to-judge-call-mccourt-out

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/742451-mlb-one-step-closer-to-forcing-the-sale-of-the-los-angeles-dodgers
 

First of all, it was a past Dodgers’ ownership group well before the current one…and it was about screwing over anyone in their path for the McCourts to afford to get divorced.

Those monies partially led to the financial behemoth that is the Dodgers today, going on 12 consecutive seasons in the playoffs and 11 NL West division titles.

Next, JR is getting how much money from this deal for the White Sox?

$2+ billion versus $50 million?  $75 million?  $100 million for the Bulls and Sox???  I might have more faith in Trump’s media SPAC returning a profit than this current Sox endeavor generating an advertising bonanza.

 

The Bulls might have the #1 attendance…but that’s still apparently not enough leverage.  Reinsdorf and the Blackhawks just assumed that Comcast would cave in to their demands.  And it’s not like anyone watching Marquee since the Cubs’ 2015-16 dynasty imploded believes that the Cubs’ own network has been hugely profitable.  They lost a lot of viewers not making the playoffs in 2023 and then basically making cosmetic changes other than Imanaga and bringing Bellinger back for a season, but those were rightly perceived as half-measures.

The other irony is that one of the few growth opportunities in sports is the WNBA (2024 revenues up $140 million, not counting the new broadcasting deal) and Reinsdorf screwed himself there as well by demonstrating absolutely zero interest in the Sky.

[caulfield12]

11 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

I get what you are saying with the carriage contracts. But “soon” for their own app? They have known how this was going down for a long time. They should have anticipated they were going to have issues getting on platforms. The app should have been ready. They literally had years to work on this. I have DIRECTV so I have access without rabbit ears {except when it rains because DIRECTV doesn’t work in the rain), and their studio shows are high school productions. Uneven lighting, audio that sounds like they are in a tunnel. Unprepared is unprofessional.

They “only” signed a five year RSN extension back in 2019…thinking the White Sox would be right in the middle of their unprecedented contention window to go right back and renegotiate much higher carriage fees…not in a million years anticipating 2023-24’s bottoming out.

Let’s not forget how things looked in 2019…Hahn was named AL Executive of the Year and it was between the Sox Padres and Blue Jays to dominate the baseball world for years to come.

Even in August, 2021…after the Field of Dreams TA walk-off win against the Yankees.

[Bob Sacamano]

1 hour ago, tray said:

Doesn't it makes sense to increase access to games with over-the air broadcasts plus cable? I'm asking. That is similar to  channels 2,5,7,9 etc that broadcast and are available via cable/streaming as well.

Arguably, Wirtz did not increase the fan base or attendance at games by pulling the Hawks off WGN. Similarly, Einhorn/Reinsdorf did not increase the fan base when they likewise pulled the WSox off free broadcast/Chan. 9.  That history at least instructs that decisions like these could have unintended consequences.

Yeah, people are upset we don’t get that cable/live streaming app option though.