The Athletic: Must Read article on Jerry Reinsdorf/White Sox

[Quin]

4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Jesus Pham went ON THE RECORD with "What manager could have made things better?" Pham asked. 

[Paulie4Pres]

2 hours ago, Green Line said:

An Airbus A320 is much more comfortable for passengers than a Boeing 737.  This article is bs!

You know what's more comfortable for passengers? First class. You know what sucks? Flying coach. Have you ever seen how most professional athletes fly? 

The White Sox charter an Airbus320, a plane first manufactured in the 1980s. It features only eight first-class seats; the rest is coach.

The article isn't BS at all. It's as thorough a breakdown and evisceration of the worst organization in professional sports, and why they're the worst, as you will ever see. Perhaps you should read it instead of focusing on a minute detail of the article and immediately calling it BS.

[Tnetennba]

3 hours ago, Jake said:

Nothing too shocking here, but I'm seeing a theme this season that it seems Getz is not philosophically a company man. He doesn't seem to have been aligned with a "side" of Kenny vs. Hahn, seems to highly prioritize staffing up with outsiders, and seems to want the Sox to operate like the teams reputed to operate well. I hated the process that led to his hire and his baseball judgment is clearly suspect. But if he's the Jerry whisperer, and can hire the right people, that could be our way out of the wilderness.

Have you seen his trades? No amount of modernizing the org will make up for an idiot decision maker.

[Paulie4Pres]

5 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

Have you seen his trades? No amount of modernizing the org will make up for an idiot decision maker.

He should be fired for the Vargas trade alone. 

[bmags]

7 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Jesus Pham went ON THE RECORD with "What manager could have made things better?" Pham asked. 

He is a current player who was interviewed right after being traded. Not sure going scorched earth is attractive to a player who will certainly be on the margins of rosters every year. 

[southsider2k5]

2 minutes ago, bmags said:

He is a current player who was interviewed right after being traded. Not sure going scorched earth is attractive to a player who will certainly be on the margins of rosters every year. 

Pham has never had a great rep anyway, which is why is a roster margin guy.

[Balta1701]

3 minutes ago, bmags said:

He is a current player who was interviewed right after being traded. Not sure going scorched earth is attractive to a player who will certainly be on the margins of rosters every year. 

For the better franchises out there, this probably makes him look more like a responsible leader.

[Balta1701]

3 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Pham has never had a great rep anyway, which is why is a roster margin guy.

It’s weird how two straight seasons the guy who has called out this FO has been a marginal roster vet. Its like they think they’ve seen enough that they’re saying screw it, I’d rather be out of the league than let this hurt other players.

[Texsox]

f*** these guys if they can't play because they don't like the charter plane. Fly fucking commercial. Sorry if they aren't pampered enough.  How about win 63 games and we'll upgrade? 

[Big Hurtin]

[Big Hurtin]

4 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Mully and Haugh are discussing this article on The Score.  Jerry is getting shredded.

Any clips out there?

[southsider2k5]

3 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

It’s weird how two straight seasons the guy who has called out this FO has been a marginal roster vet. Its like they think they’ve seen enough that they’re saying screw it, I’d rather be out of the league than let this hurt other players.

Or they feel like the Sox endangered their own careers and want to speak out.

[Tnetennba]

31 minutes ago, Quin said:

 

Can confirm. I received the same email 🤦‍♀️

Edited 6 hours ago by Tnetennba

[Lip Man 1]

6 minutes ago, Big Hurtin said:

Any clips out there?

https://www.audacy.com/670thescore/authors/mully-haugh-show

Click on full show Sept. 19 then slide the bar to the second hour. 

[Chicago White Sox]

Jerry is 88 years old and could potentially live another 12 years.  There is no hope for this org until the reaper decides enough is enough.  Truly sad what has become of this franchise since 2005.

[Tnetennba]

11 minutes ago, Texsox said:

f*** these guys if they can't play because they don't like the charter plane. Fly fucking commercial. Sorry if they aren't pampered enough.  How about win 63 games and we'll upgrade? 

Do you fly cross country every 3 or 4 days? Seriously, GTFO.

[bmags]

I mean people that fly all the time are allowed imo to complain about it but also they need to understand how boring it is. Fortunately for the players, Ken Rosenthal probably flies all the time as well so he probably thought it was the most interesting thing in the world.

[Paulie4Pres]

19 minutes ago, Texsox said:

f*** these guys if they can't play because they don't like the charter plane. Fly fucking commercial. Sorry if they aren't pampered enough.  How about win 63 games and we'll upgrade? 

This is an absolutely idiotic take. First off, they would be better off flying commercial first class. Second, they fly on a weekly basis. Their charter should be top of the line for a major market team with an owner worth over $2B dollars. Finally....the charter plane isn't being blamed for their s%*# play. It's being cited as a symptom of the cancer that is Jerry Reinsdorf.

When your amenities and facilities are second class compared to the rest of the league....why would anyone want to play here? It hinders free agent signings as well as player morale. It's a huge problem.

Edited 5 hours ago by Paulie4Pres

[Rusty]

7 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

Do you fly cross country every 3 or 4 days? Seriously, GTFO.

I don’t think people understand how insane the travel for an MLB team is.  Flying that amount and sleeping in hotels put a lot of stress on an athlete trying to stay in literal elite condition physically and mentally.  First class vs. coach seating makes an extreme difference.

[Tnetennba]

2 minutes ago, Paulie4Pres said:

This is an absolutely idiotic take. First off, they would be better off flying commercial first class. Second, they fly on a weekly basis. Their charter should be top of the line for a major market team with an owner worth over $2B dollars. Finally....the charter plane isn't being blamed for their s%*# play. It's being cited as a symptom of the cancer that is Jerry Reinsdorf.

Coach sucks for the average Joe. Now imagine making your living as a finely tuned athlete, trying to rest and recuperate in coach flying to a new city after having just flown into a new city during the 6 month grind of the baseball season. 

[Frank the Tank 35]

4 minutes ago, Rusty said:

I don’t think people understand how insane the travel for an MLB team is.  Flying that amount and sleeping in hotels put a lot of stress on an athlete trying to stay in literal elite condition physically and mentally.  First class vs. coach seating makes an extreme difference.

To pile on, look at how often modern athletes are injured. They have reached, or nearly reached, peak physical conditioning and are extracting every ounce of power and force out of their bodies. At this level of competition, you need every single fraction of an advantage against the other team, and that most definitely includes the rest cycle these high performance athletes need to recover to give them the best opportunity NOT to get hurt. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Frank the Tank 35

[Tony]

The coach/first class discussion isn’t even about “comfort”

It’s about the standard across the league. It’s the same for the analytics department, baseball ops, etc. Everything is done worse on the South Side than it is with 95% of the other teams in the league. Thats the point 

[Paulie4Pres]

I couldn't imagine being a 6'+ 200+ lb. athlete and flying coach everywhere. It's just unfathomable to me. Flying coach after playing a hockey game the night before is absolutely miserable. Your whole body is tight, you have no room to stretch, you're cramped... These guys are professional athletes. It's absurd to fly coach. Lol

[Balta1701]

1 minute ago, Paulie4Pres said:

I couldn't imagine being a 6'+ 200+ lb. athlete and flying coach everywhere. It's just unfathomable to me. Flying coach after playing a hockey game the night before is absolutely miserable. Your whole body is tight, you have no room to stretch, you're cramped... These guys are professional athletes. It's absurd to fly coach. Lol

None of them have a recent history of back or leg problems that also start affecting other muscles and their performance, so it’s ok.

[Balta1701]

25 minutes ago, Tony said:

The coach/first class discussion isn’t even about “comfort”

It’s about the standard across the league. It’s the same for the analytics department, baseball ops, etc. Everything is done worse on the South Side than it is with 95% of the other teams in the league. Thats the point