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1 minute ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Not even sure Ramos ever touched the plate. Catcher blocked plate with his foot and Ramos foot popped over the plate without touching it.

Chalk that one up to inexperience and/or an over aggressive send by 3B coach.

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1 hour ago, fathom said:

Why would you keep him when they have no shot of winning the next few years?

Cause he's a budding star and the goal of all teams should be to keep their stars. It mite translate to wins.

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2 hours ago, greg775 said:

I still would keep Crochet but he's going to bring a haul. I bet u could get two top prospects for him and two others. Or in the Sox case two top prospects and cash. I'd still keep him cause I'm against trading stars amid a tank job.

Biggest myth in baseball. 

People still believe in the traditions of small market habitual losing organizations that it will eventually work.  History is ignored. Sure you can bring up a team or two where it worked.   It's almost a mental illness among fans and media.

Getz has this hard on to be like the Royals. Mission accomplished.  Now draft a Witt Jr. 

The last trade deadline revealed organizations are more stingy giving up their real prospects. 

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17 minutes ago, kitekrazy said:

Biggest myth in baseball. 

People still believe in the traditions of small market habitual losing organizations that it will eventually work.  History is ignored. Sure you can bring up a team or two where it worked.   It's almost a mental illness among fans and media.

Getz has this hard on to be like the Royals. Mission accomplished.  Now draft a Witt Jr. 

The last trade deadline revealed organizations are more stingy giving up their real prospects. 

Lot of fans on here believe in the myth. Unfortunately the double tank jobs mean no title contention for a good, long while. How long? WE HAVE NO GOOD PLAYERS except Crochet and maybe Robert (though some say our young pitching may be stellar). It's gonna take a long while.

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17 minutes ago, greg775 said:

Lot of fans on here believe in the myth. Unfortunately the double tank jobs mean no title contention for a good, long while. How long? WE HAVE NO GOOD PLAYERS except Crochet and maybe Robert (though some say our young pitching may be stellar). It's gonna take a long while.

That implies that this disaster was intentional rather than just bad recruitment, bad play , no leadership etc.

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https://www.mlb.com/news/fernando-tatis-jr-hits-a-walk-off-in-padres-win-over-white-sox

Tatis with two walkoffs the last month after none in his career somehow prior to Sept.

Went through terrible finish in 2021, missed 2022 when they almost got to the WS, disappointing 2023 and now this season.

3/5 post seasons and one of the five best fanbases established despite cutting payroll dramatically.

Meanwhile, Toronto and Chicago rebuilds almost completely fizzled.

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23 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

https://www.mlb.com/news/fernando-tatis-jr-hits-a-walk-off-in-padres-win-over-white-sox

Tatis with two walkoffs the last month after none in his career somehow prior to Sept.

Went through terrible finish in 2021, missed 2022 when they almost got to the WS, disappointing 2023 and now this season.

3/5 post seasons and one of the five best fanbases established despite cutting payroll dramatically.

Meanwhile, Toronto and Chicago rebuilds almost completely fizzled.

I know this team gets you hot and bothered but their payroll is still almost 200M and the only reason it was “cut dramatically” was because they were 2 games above .500 with the large payroll, which resulted in a Soto sized cut.  Padres have spent a lot of money trying to outfox the white Sox for the last five years which is hilarious but not impressive 

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8 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Mainly because you kept making up scenarios that he didn't want to pitch like a extended rest then coming back or pitching in relief. He been pitching once a week and its been a mixed bag of results. But you seem to think he has to do as hes told when he's way beyond thresholds that it's nearly impossible to be effective.

You're really saying any way you pitch him including well into October and he'd automatically do well in a situation you're forcing him into.

You're all over the place. Basically you're saying you're under contract and you will pitch when and where we want you to because we own you now go out there and do your fucking job,  risk your whole future or ruin your next 2 seasons that we have you because we can't win a world series this year without abusing you. It's not like you're on Crochet's side here.

 

According to everyone here, haven’t the Sox already “abused” Crochet this season? 142 innings pitched when his previous high was 54.1 innings. This was said to be impossible and that anything over 100 innings we’d see him get injured/become completely ineffective. Didn’t look like that last night.

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14 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

And for those counting at home, Crochet now has an absurd 1.89 FIP and 15.53 K/9 in the month of September. He’s really fading lol

He is also pitching only 4 innings per game to avoid taxing his arm so…

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1 hour ago, Kyyle23 said:

I know this team gets you hot and bothered but their payroll is still almost 200M and the only reason it was “cut dramatically” was because they were 2 games above .500 with the large payroll, which resulted in a Soto sized cut.  Padres have spent a lot of money trying to outfox the white Sox for the last five years which is hilarious but not impressive 

Three playoff series wins and having the third best rotation entering this post season isn't bad at all...a good number of people are more confident in SD than the Dodgers.

Last time I checked the White Sox did a terrible job allocating that type of payroll.

Nearly every move Preller made like Cease Profar Solano Estrada for much less than Getz spent has worked out.  The Soto trade saved the rotation with Danish and Musgrove out.

And they still managed to hold onto top two prospects.

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53 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

He is also pitching only 4 innings per game to avoid taxing his arm so…

So…it’s working? These days most playoff starting pitchers only go 4 or 5 innings anyways if they’re lucky (Sox starters averaged 3 innings/start in their last playoff series against the Astros).

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1 hour ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

And for those counting at home, Crochet now has an absurd 1.89 FIP and 15.53 K/9 in the month of September. He’s really fading lol

A lot of starting pitchers could do well if they only pitched 2 to 4 innings a start.  Are you for real?  Do you honestly think he would be pitching just as well if he was throwing 5+ innings a start?

5.71 ERA post All-Star break.

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15 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

A lot of starting pitchers could do well if they only pitched 2 to 4 innings a start.  Are you for real?  Do you honestly think he would be pitching just as well if he was throwing 5+ innings a start?

5.71 ERA post All-Star break.

It’s actually the opposite. He’s arbitrarily cut short in every dominant outing so the one horrific start, like against the Cubs in August, is magnified. Do you really think he couldn’t have thrown 7 or 8 shutout innings last night with the way he was dominating the Padres? 3.55 ERA for Crochet in all other post TDL starts taking the one Cubs start out.

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9 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

It’s actually the opposite. He’s arbitrarily cut short in every dominant outing so the one horrific start, like against the Cubs in August, is magnified. Do you really think he couldn’t have thrown 7 or 8 shutout innings last night with the way he was dominating the Padres? 3.55 ERA for Crochet in all other post TDL starts taking the one Cubs start out.

His July was mediocre.  He also gave up 4 earned runs in 2 innings to Boston on September 7th.  His numbers would not be as good as they are if he wasn’t being limited to 2 to 4 innings.

Getz is trading Crochet in the offseason and will probably neuter the return by attaching Benintendi’s contract so I don’t really know why you are so up in arms about him.  🤣

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13 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

His July was mediocre.  He also gave up 4 earned runs in 2 innings to Boston on September 7th.  His numbers would not be as good as they are if he wasn’t being limited to 2 to 4 innings.

Getz is trading Crochet in the offseason and will probably neuter the return by attaching Benintendi’s contract so I don’t really know why you are so up in arms about him.  🤣

You can spin it however you want but he’s #7 in fWAR of all mlb pitchers this season. Not even I could have predicted that. Remarkable season for Garrett 

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41 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

So…it’s working? These days most playoff starting pitchers only go 4 or 5 innings anyways if they’re lucky (Sox starters averaged 3 innings/start in their last playoff series against the Astros).

No, it’s context.  You are acting like he is throwing full games here, he is on a low pitch count.   But you can try and gotcha the board, it’s fine

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2 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

No, it’s context.  You are acting like he is throwing full games here, he is on a low pitch count.   But you can try and gotcha the board, it’s fine

Yep, he already tried this “gotcha” game with Drew Thorpe versus Cease and that one didn’t end well…

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1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

Three playoff series wins and having the third best rotation entering this post season isn't bad at all...a good number of people are more confident in SD than the Dodgers.

Last time I checked the White Sox did a terrible job allocating that type of payroll.

Nearly every move Preller made like Cease Profar Solano Estrada for much less than Getz spent has worked out.  The Soto trade saved the rotation with Danish and Musgrove out.

And they still managed to hold onto top two prospects.

you keep comparing them to the worst team in the league like it’s a huge burn.  They have spent like drunken sailors and have absolutely lost some top prospects.  Hell, just like a week ago you were musing that Preller would lose his job for trading Clase’, no?  
 

now if you would ask me if I would like the Sox to at least try, like San Diego does, I would absolutely want that.  But they have not spent well and they have not succeeded like their spend indicates they should.  

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