Paulie4Pres Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 People here can't possibly have forgotten Luis swinging with one fucking arm right? The incompetence in this medical staff is borderline criminal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFutureIsNear Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 45 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: And as we keep rushing players back from injury, we aren't seeming to actually give them proper rest and treatment, as these injuries keep happening. So lower body soft tissue injuries are preventing him from making contact with a baseball?…For the majority of his career? Also, he’s a grown man and a professional athlete. Does he not take any responsibility for keeping his body ready to perform? There’s plenty of other guys in the organization that haven’t had the injuries he’s had. More or less just Robert, TA and Yoan that have had constant soft tissue injuries…and that’s not great company Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zisk Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 Noone can hit swinging at every pitch thrown to him. The other teams know this too. They start him out down and away and he swings anyway. He's lost his memory of what made him good. Is it the Sox's fault? They're both to blame. Benching him or telling him to take the first pitch for each at bat for a week might help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 1 hour ago, Paulie4Pres said: 100%. And the big thing about playing before an injury is fully recovered? You and your body compensate for that injury, and you typically end up injuring something else as a result. Also, a big part of the recovery after a soft tissue injury is adjusting your training and stretching routine. If you injure something and then go right back to training the same way you are....you're going to get hurt again. Every body is different, as well. What might work for one athlete might be detrimental to another. So it's important to have staff that tailors everything to the individual athlete. Not having a top of the line medical and training staff is really, really bad. And it's not like the Sox exist in a vacuum. The Bulls are right there to highlight Reinsdorf's lack of investment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 11 minutes ago, TheFutureIsNear said: So lower body soft tissue injuries are preventing him from making contact with a baseball?…For the majority of his career? Also, he’s a grown man and a professional athlete. Does he not take any responsibility for keeping his body ready to perform? There’s plenty of other guys in the organization that haven’t had the injuries he’s had. More or less just Robert, TA and Yoan that have had constant soft tissue injuries…and that’s not great company You can see pretty much everything dropping in his advanced stats. His line drive percentage is down. His hard hit percentage is down. His top EV is down. His expected BA is down. His expected SLG is down. His hard contact rates are down, while his soft contact rates are down. He is generating a lot less power this year when he makes contact. This is all with his line drive percentage up this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 24 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: You can see pretty much everything dropping in his advanced stats. His line drive percentage is down. His hard hit percentage is down. His top EV is down. His expected BA is down. His expected SLG is down. His hard contact rates are down, while his soft contact rates are down. He is generating a lot less power this year when he makes contact. This is all with his line drive percentage up this year. Sure because his swing is so bad. Him and Vargas have two of the least impactful swings from non-slap hitters I’ve seen all year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie4Pres Posted September 27 Share Posted September 27 26 minutes ago, fathom said: Sure because his swing is so bad. Him and Vargas have two of the least impactful swings from non-slap hitters I’ve seen all year And why is his swing so bad? Because this is a guy who had one of the best swings in baseball not that long ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 I was trying to find some objective evidence that would prove the Sox rush guys back more than other teams and can't really find it. What team holds guys back longer from similar injuries? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie4Pres Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 33 minutes ago, Texsox said: I was trying to find some objective evidence that would prove the Sox rush guys back more than other teams and can't really find it. What team holds guys back longer from similar injuries? I mean, we just had an article where a White Sox player left the team to rehab a soft tissue injury because it wasn't progressing under their care. We had Luis Robert Jr. swinging with one fucking arm. We had players clearly dogging it to first base under TLR because they were not healthy. This team is a fucking dumpster fire. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Deep Posted September 28 Author Share Posted September 28 7 hours ago, zisk said: Noone can hit swinging at every pitch thrown to him. The other teams know this too. They start him out down and away and he swings anyway. He's lost his memory of what made him good. Is it the Sox's fault? They're both to blame. Benching him or telling him to take the first pitch for each at bat for a week might help. He's always been aggressive This post makes zero sense on why he is struggling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 40 minutes ago, Paulie4Pres said: I mean, we just had an article where a White Sox player left the team to rehab a soft tissue injury because it wasn't progressing under their care. We had Luis Robert Jr. swinging with one fucking arm. We had players clearly dogging it to first base under TLR because they were not healthy. This team is a fucking dumpster fire. It is. I see players in other teams getting injured, and reinjured. I'm wondering how much worse the Sox are compared to the other teams. If we look at days on IR it should be less because we rush guys back. https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/injured/_/year/2024/view/team The Sox are tenth in total days missed. Ironically it seems that KC has the best and Texas the worst. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie4Pres Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 14 minutes ago, Texsox said: It is. I see players in other teams getting injured, and reinjured. I'm wondering how much worse the Sox are compared to the other teams. If we look at days on IR it should be less because we rush guys back. https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/injured/_/year/2024/view/team The Sox are tenth in total days missed. Ironically it seems that KC has the best and Texas the worst. Not sure how to quantify it, really, but your method is flawed. A team that rushes players back is going to have players injured more often, regardless of whether those players come back several games sooner than they should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 2 minutes ago, Paulie4Pres said: Not sure how to quantify it, really, but your method is flawed. A team that rushes players back is going to have players injured more often, regardless of whether those players come back several games sooner than they should. Not my system, just one list I found. I'm a data and stat person. It seems like there should be good analytics on something this important. The ranking is flawed because payroll is used to determine a value of injuries. We're trying to quantify approach to injuries. 12 teams had more players injured. Only five teams lost more days total, which is evidence that they are out more days per injury. So the theory is if they were out more initially the over all total would be less. I'm trying to see if there is some way to calculate which teams are doing it better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 2 hours ago, Paulie4Pres said: I mean, we just had an article where a White Sox player left the team to rehab a soft tissue injury because it wasn't progressing under their care. We had Luis Robert Jr. swinging with one fucking arm. We had players clearly dogging it to first base under TLR because they were not healthy. This team is a fucking dumpster fire. They weren’t even “dogging it.” At one point 5 players in the starting lineup were told to “take it easy” while running the bases. That’s asinine in a professional athletic organization. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46DidIt Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 3 hours ago, 2Deep said: He's always been aggressive This post makes zero sense on why he is struggling Makes sense to me. If pitchers can count on a batter swinging at sliders a foot off the plate, the batter is going to have a tough time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46DidIt Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 It’s one thing to be aggressive, and an entirely different thing to be consistently fooled and chasing unhittable pitches. Dude evidently has close to zero pitch recognition skills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 From the last thread on this topic: On 8/7/2024 at 8:49 PM, Balta1701 said: Luis Robert is the perfect distillation of the laziness of the White Sox’s staff. Any other, professional organization with a guy coming up with his talent level, they would work with him on good habits like preparing for games and using information to be better. The White Sox firmly believe that this is too much work. This is where the lack of staff employed by the team matters. While he’s coming up, he isn’t coached, and when he’s healthy he has success based solely on his athletic gifts. When he gets to the big leagues, he doesn’t know the coaches names because he doesn’t want coaching and doesn’t believe in it. This has been said publicly, he doesn’t want scouting reports he just wants to do his thing, and no one in the White Sox organization was willing to correct it. Now, it has become a bad habit that he doesn’t think he needs to change, after all he’s an all star. They drop videos about how great of shape he’s in, but not about him working on recognizing pitches or studying film, because convincing him to do that and then teaching him effectively would take hard work, and the White Sox don’t do that. Then a few injuries start nagging more, he goes from 99th percentile skills to something less than that at least for a time, and his athleticism doesn’t carry him as much as he used to. Because they allowed him to get away with not wanting to learn anything, he has not become a smarter player like many guys do with experience, he’s still trying to swing as hard as he can, but it’s just less effective. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 18 hours ago, Texsox said: It is. I see players in other teams getting injured, and reinjured. I'm wondering how much worse the Sox are compared to the other teams. If we look at days on IR it should be less because we rush guys back. https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/injured/_/year/2024/view/team The Sox are tenth in total days missed. Ironically it seems that KC has the best and Texas the worst. The Dodger are always up there. Yet they win over 90 games a year. That's the real need for a good farm system. You want guys who can fill in. They are happy to give you a player like Vargas, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 Tribune writer Paul Sullivan said that this is the last year for Robert Jr on the White Sox. We shall see. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie4Pres Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 2 minutes ago, WBWSF said: Tribune writer Paul Sullivan said that this is the last year for Robert Jr on the White Sox. We shall see. Good for him. Honestly, I might just pick up whatever team he ends up with as my team next season. Best thing that can happen to him is getting traded. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 (edited) I know Getz will get completely fleeced but I hope the Sox trade both Robert and Crochet before their careers are completely destroyed by the most dysfunctional organization in professional sports. Also hope Yoan ends up in a somewhat competent organization that holds him accountable so he can have a mildly serviceable career. Obviously too late for TA and Eloy. They are beyond repair after being mired in this dumpster fire for too long. Edited September 29 by Rusty 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 2 hours ago, WBWSF said: Tribune writer Paul Sullivan said that this is the last year for Robert Jr on the White Sox. We shall see. We seems determined to blame everything on the Latin players for some reason 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 3 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: We seems determined to blame everything on the Latin players for some reason Pretty serious accusation there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 Robert, Moncada and Jimenez were allowed to do whatever they wanted with no repercussions and got way too comfortable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish71 Posted September 30 Share Posted September 30 This approach to hitting in the offseason is not going to get it going. Plus the slappy foxy boxing is probably not enough for explosive movements. https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=849011016183367 Dude got paid is will return to form just in time for his free agent year. Then he will turn it on. This is a tale as old as time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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