nitetrain8601 Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 5 hours ago, GreatScott82 said: Reinsdorf isn’t selling. And now everyone in the baseball world knows that he has his hands in on every department of the organization. So how is one supposed to do their job correctly when their boss is always overlooking their shoulder and adding archaic influence? Not only is Jerry a major problem, but Getz is super under qualified for this mammoth task of fixing the most dysfunctional team in the MLB. The funny thing is, he was actually apart of the dysfunction and got promoted from within. To me, that’s where the problem lies. As a homeowner, I wouldn’t hire a contractor assistant to fix my house when he was apart of the company that messed up my wiring, plumbing and HVAC system. Seems pretty illogical. Regardless of his qualification status, we all know that even if he can do the job, his hands would be tied by his narcissistic, lazy-buffoon of a boss that seemingly can’t get out of his own way. On a positive note, the hire of bannister and the pitching lab is top notch. I was pleasantly surprised with the young starting pitching this year. Now, can Getz somehow make a respectable hitting lab and hire the best, advanced hitting coaches and instructors to maximize potential at every level of this organization? I’m doubtful. Can they revamp the analytical side and hire 30-40 new data engineers to try and give the coaches at every level of the organization an edge? I’m doubtful. Until then, it doesn’t matter who they hire as manager, or even who they sign for cheap in free agency. It’ll be the same old archaic Jerry reinsdorf-led white sox. Even if they are able to put together the hitting "lab" as you say, they don't have the horses to run the race. They are awful at development of hitters, but also of identifying hitters, investing in FA or draft for hitters, investing in find hitting all over the world. If this team was at least run like KC, that would be a huge upgrade. Even they realized they had some work to do. Sox knew they weren't getting a top 10 pick this year, so what do they do knowing that? They draft another lefty pitcher when they knew they have to invest in hitting desperately. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 25 minutes ago, fathom said: Get your barf bag ready. It’s going to be a horrible offseason. Obviously trading Crochet is gonna suck but if he can get rid of the rest of the dead weight (Moncada, Benintendi, Robert, Sheets) it could be a very good off season. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 4 minutes ago, nitetrain8601 said: Even if they are able to put together the hitting "lab" as you say, they don't have the horses to run the race. They are awful at development of hitters, but also of identifying hitters, investing in FA or draft for hitters, investing in find hitting all over the world. If this team was at least run like KC, that would be a huge upgrade. Even they realized they had some work to do. Sox knew they weren't getting a top 10 pick this year, so what do they do knowing that? They draft another lefty pitcher when they knew they have to invest in hitting desperately. If there was a guy out there that made bad hitters good hitters, he wouldn't be available to the White Sox. It just amazes me how, since Hriniak left, the organization as a whole, despite seeing how their best performers operated, haven't emphasized working counts. You look at the better hitter from the JR era, they almost all took their walks. And weren't constantly down in the count. It's pretty simple. Make the pitcher throw you strikes. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FT35 Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 1 hour ago, PaleAleSox said: Do you think what coaches/athletes/front office people say to the media is exactly what they are saying behind closed doors? Grady Sizemore wants a job. What does saying "I don't deserve a future having a job" do for him? It shows that he can be honest and accurately assess. Sure they all want jobs but so do a lot of other guys. These guys had their chance and failed in EVERY way. Most of them do not deserve another. Say something that 1. Shows you understand the negative impact and damage your team has caused to sport in general 2. Doesn’t assume you’ll be given another opportunity 3. eludes to the future having success without saying that the keys to that success are the very same group of people who have lost 121 games. Hiring people will see the BS and disqualify for his brainless response. Maybe: “we all need to take a deep look in the mirror to decide if we have what it takes to cut it in MLB. Simply put, this year we did not show why any of us would deserve another job with another MLB team. We all want something better than what we created and will try to take the off-season and assess these difficult decisions.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 30 minutes ago, fathom said: Get your barf bag ready. It’s going to be a horrible offseason. My biggest two fears are they force Benintendi into a Crochet trade (given how much Harold has yearned for such an outcome) or they sell Robert for 25 cents on the dollar. Otherwise, I don’t expect much action. No doubt they will add a handful of cheap veterans similar to this past off-season, but it’s clear they are going with a legit youth movement in Y25 for better or worse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 10 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Obviously trading Crochet is gonna suck but if he can get rid of the rest of the dead weight (Moncada, Benintendi, Robert, Sheets) it could be a very good off season. Where is Vaughn in this list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: My biggest two fears are they force Benintendi into a Crochet trade (given how much Harold has yearned for such an outcome) or they sell Robert for 25 cents on the dollar. Otherwise, I don’t expect much action. No doubt they will add a handful of cheap veterans similar to this past off-season, but it’s clear they are going with a legit youth movement in Y25 for better or worse. And the report from a Boston guy at the trade deadline. At least next year when we want losses it’s for draft pick status. Edited September 28 by Bob Sacamano 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 lol asking for patience. f*** you Chris. Were in the spot because JR couldn’t be patient and we couldn’t “waste a year”. The time to ease the fan base was before the season and when you were hired. Be upfront and ask for patience as we rebuild this team. Instead we got fed a bunch of garbage and it’s not until the team is historically bad these clowns are like “well golly guys it’s not gonna happen overnight can you be patient please” bro f*** off 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 28 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Where is Vaughn in this list? Batting 3rd and on the cover of the media guide 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baseball_gal_aly Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 32 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: My biggest two fears are they force Benintendi into a Crochet trade (given how much Harold has yearned for such an outcome) or they sell Robert for 25 cents on the dollar. Otherwise, I don’t expect much action. No doubt they will add a handful of cheap veterans similar to this past off-season, but it’s clear they are going with a legit youth movement in Y25 for better or worse. I think I'd trade Robert for whatever I can get at this point, because I think he has been figured out and isn't the same player. Moncada was once good, injuries destroyed his career. Robert is going that way. I think it is very possible if they hang on to him they end up declining his option next winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 4 minutes ago, baseball_gal_aly said: I think I'd trade Robert for whatever I can get at this point, because I think he has been figured out and isn't the same player. Moncada was once good, injuries destroyed his career. Robert is going that way. I think it is very possible if they hang on to him they end up declining his option next winter. I wouldn't. The thing is Robert, is going to need coaching from outside this organization. He's not just suddenly a bad player. He's a guy who isn't being coached. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baseball_gal_aly Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 (edited) 5 minutes ago, nitetrain8601 said: I wouldn't. The thing is Robert, is going to need coaching from outside this organization. He's not just suddenly a bad player. He's a guy who isn't being coached. That's what we thought about Moncada too. He is basically what Keith Law scouted now and why he wasn't high on him. Just like Moncada, the injuries have sapped his power. At least Moncada got on base when he wasn't hitting. I disagree, I think Robert is now suddenly a bad player. Like @fathom said, he doesn't impact the ball anymore. He is worth 0.6 fWAR this year and isn't even a plus defender anymore. If someone wants to give you something worthwile, bye. Edited September 28 by baseball_gal_aly 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 11 minutes ago, nitetrain8601 said: I wouldn't. The thing is Robert, is going to need coaching from outside this organization. He's not just suddenly a bad player. He's a guy who isn't being coached. I think Moncada, Eloy,,,they are what they are, vut for some reason I think you put Robert on a good team, he can still be a star. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 1 hour ago, Dick Allen said: I think Moncada, Eloy,,,they are what they are, vut for some reason I think you put Robert on a good team, he can still be a star. 100%. Robert is built different. Eloy is gone and still a bum in his new org. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 1 hour ago, nitetrain8601 said: I wouldn't. The thing is Robert, is going to need coaching from outside this organization. He's not just suddenly a bad player. He's a guy who isn't being coached. And who had zero protection this year. Pitchers had zero reason to throw strikes to him and Robert tried to do too much because no one else could. It was a recipe for disaster and the results show that. If I were Getz, I’d try to get one decent veteran bat to slot behind Robert and see if that helps. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 1 hour ago, baseball_gal_aly said: That's what we thought about Moncada too. He is basically what Keith Law scouted now and why he wasn't high on him. Just like Moncada, the injuries have sapped his power. At least Moncada got on base when he wasn't hitting. I disagree, I think Robert is now suddenly a bad player. Like @fathom said, he doesn't impact the ball anymore. He is worth 0.6 fWAR this year and isn't even a plus defender anymore. If someone wants to give you something worthwile, bye. You think everyone is suddenly a bad player. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 1 hour ago, Dick Allen said: I think Moncada, Eloy,,,they are what they are, vut for some reason I think you put Robert on a good team, he can still be a star. 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 16 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: And who had zero protection this year. Pitchers had zero reason to throw strikes to him and Robert tried to do too much because no one else could. It was a recipe for disaster and the results show that. If I were Getz, I’d try to get one decent veteran bat to slot behind Robert and see if that helps. If Robert could be parked in the 6-slot of a good lineup, he could rework his approach and rebuild his confidence. That can't happen here during his contract period. He will be the man for the next 2 years, here, and he'll feel compelled to "produce". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewokpelts Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 3 minutes ago, WestEddy said: If Robert could be parked in the 6-slot of a good lineup, he could rework his approach and rebuild his confidence. That can't happen here during his contract period. He will be the man for the next 2 years, here, and he'll feel compelled to "produce". he only has a guaranteed contract for one more year. 26-27 are team options. it's on him to produce "now". not counting 2020, he has been hurt in every full season in the majors, and has only ONE "good" year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baseball_gal_aly Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 1 minute ago, ewokpelts said: he only has a guaranteed contract for one more year. 26-27 are team options. it's on him to produce "now". not counting 2020, he has been hurt in every full season in the majors, and has only ONE "good" year. Exactly, everyone was so quick to say Moncada sucked after his one good year, idk why everyone thinks Robert is different. Injuries, K issues, swinging at crap, loss of power, it's all the same stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 3 minutes ago, baseball_gal_aly said: Exactly, everyone was so quick to say Moncada sucked after his one good year, idk why everyone thinks Robert is different. Injuries, K issues, swinging at crap, loss of power, it's all the same stuff. Robert's 26, Moncada's 29. Robert's yet to hit his prime. Luis Robert just set a career high in stolen bases. It's his approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 4 hours ago, Balta1701 said: He is also the kind of guy who spends an entire winter talking about leadership and guys who play the right way and then thinks “you know the kind of leader I want? Mike Clevinger. I need that kind of leadership and will pay a premium price for it.” I consider an elderly person getting a DUI just as bad. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 3 hours ago, SoxFest23 said: I swear I'm going to puke if I hear Getz say "we're going to do what's best for the long term health of the organization". That's his complete excuse to do nothing quickly, spend no money and his only strategy is hope. 100% the next manager is not Skip Schumaker, he's going to want real money and the possibility to win a few games. Fully expect Grady to continue, on the cheap. That formula of the habitual losing small market organization. I consider the Chicago Reinsdorfs a small market team. Getz and his "Royals envy" is the only thing he accomplished. Habitual losing small market. Every owner cheap ass owner tries to adopt the Rays model. Then you have to Padres trying to overthrow the Dodgers. You are also not going to find a real manager wanting anything to do with this organization. I doubt Skip want anything to do with the Reds either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baseball_gal_aly Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 (edited) 17 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Robert's 26, Moncada's 29. Robert's yet to hit his prime. Luis Robert just set a career high in stolen bases. It's his approach. Robert is 27, the same age Moncada was in 2022 when he fell off a cliff never to return to previous levels of performance. Hey, if I'm wrong I'll own it, but I feel like I have seen this movie before. I think Robert will be on the Sox on OD 2025, we will see what type of year he has. Also, his value is diminished if he has to move to LF. Edited September 28 by baseball_gal_aly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joejoesox Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 3 hours ago, SoxFest23 said: I swear I'm going to puke if I hear Getz say "we're going to do what's best for the long term health of the organization". That's his complete excuse to do nothing quickly, spend no money and his only strategy is hope. 100% the next manager is not Skip Schumaker, he's going to want real money and the possibility to win a few games. Fully expect Grady to continue, on the cheap. sounds like a sale coming to me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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